Clean language, and ENGLISH not stoopid typing like e=3 etc.

It's pretty diffult question.

Basically I avoid cuss words, unless proper useage comes up, such as 'Crap, my computer got on fire and I lost everything!' but words such as 4 letter F word, other word for crap, and even word that starts at A and ends with hole is totally unacceptable to me. Usually I even avoid hints of previous words, but I gonna say it this time.

I agree on flaming issue, flaming is good for only one use, which is cooking stuff. I wish there was a invention that uses flames as car fuel, we would never run of that kind of fuel.

Now, There is such thing as good criticism. Such as 'Your wallpaper is great, but I noticed that thingy could use a better placment, I don't like large text on wallpaper, etc'. Something like 'You and your wallpaper sucks' is just a flame.

If someone brings up the freedom of speech, I always tought that owner(s) of website can do whatever he/she/they wants on the site, basically, you own the site, you're a king or queen of that site.

Besides we need more of family type sites.

My only annoyance is people that types worse than people with english as second or even 5th language. Certain poster comes to my mind.

My only annoyance is people that types worse than people with english as second or even 5th language. Certain poster comes to my mind.

Just one poster??

Nice post btw.

I think there have been times when, if most of us are honest, that we have put something on a thread that we regret later and wish in hindsight that we had kept our mouths shut. In general i find the moderation on this site first class and usually the offenders are given enough rope by the moderators before they hang themselves.

Jafo, not sure what actually prompted your question as this is the first thread i have read this morning however you and KG and all the others Mods do a great job and when people need a pull you certainly handle them well. A thankless but necessary unpaid task which keeps this site what it is - Friendly, Fun and NUMBER ONE.

eh....

For me it is a basic thing with basic reasoning.

In private life you decide what might be acceptable and can deal with the fact that you might be wrong.

On a public message board that choice isn't yours to make, you already know if it is right or wrong and will have to deal with the results of your actions.

oh, on another note...

we, including myself, all of us, need to stop pushing peoples buttons just to get a rise out of them....

everyone knows those who are having their buttons poked and who is doing the poking...

really really...



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A few thoughts:
Free speech is about the freedom to express your opinion, not about the choice of words. You can still express your opinion while avoiding some offensive language.

I don't think it's so much an age related issue, so much as a respect related one. Remember, it will never offend anybody if you use proper language, while certain words highly disturbs some people.

I agree entirely with Paxx, it's common sense and respect.

I agree with Paxx also. To add one other thought. The most common method of creating interaction here (or any site) is by way of a keyboard. I have a hard time accepting the excuse that ANYONE can actually type quicker than he can think. So with me anyway the - I "Spoke" before I thought excuse is only trying to make up for what someone "Typed". I also agree that "All" children "should" have monitored access to the internet, but, the "Real World" is that they aren't. In the "Real World" they do here a lot of language from other "Kids" at school and on the playground. The only thing I see missing from that is that these people or kids they are hearing it from aren't their primary role models which of course are their parents and other adults in general. If a child hears things or sees things at school he most likely won't put the same amount of confidence and trust in that as he will a parent or adult. Also, other kids won't necessarily seem to create approval of the behavior. A parent or adult can very much create an approved type of environment for it. I choose to try to remain a positive role model for the younger generation and don't want to become a part of the same behavior that they are experiencing from other "Kids". I think it puts you on the "Kids" level. I'd rather see them trying to come up to the more rational mature level. Also, the moderators of this site have my upmost respect and I believe they do an exceptional job of trying to maintain a family oriented site. Kudos to you guys.

Wondering what this debate is in regards to?

stop pretending you have a penis, strap-ons don't count girlfriend......

nothing in (insert member name here)'s post was objectionable........

The 2nd comment was left by an Admin to someone who felt the 1st comment was objectionable.

I also felt it to be completely inappropriate for a family site. I Think the moderators do a pretty good balancing act with the messageboard here but, in my opinion that comment was over-the-line for a "Family Site"

This was all in a different thread till Jafo wisely moved it over here.

That's what sparked this debate.

hashonboat, are your remarks towards me? I'm not sure if they are or not. If so maybe I mis-represented my opinion.

RadialFX....hashonboat just got a bit wobbly with the Quote function....so his post appears somewhat cryptic to the casual viewer......and has nothing to do with your post...

Oh, ok Thanks Jafo. I was afraid maybe he took offense to something in my post and that wasn't my intentions at all. Thanks and..... Gooday Mate!

No, Sorry Radial! I saw someone mention (don't remember who)that they didn't know what started this & I was just trying to answer without incriminating or directly quoting anyone. It is not my intention to flame anyone so I tried to quote without saying names. I don't think the names are important, or relevant to the subject.

It's pretty simple really,

Treat others as you EXPECT to be treated, not as you are treated.
I know it's a slight deviation from the "Golden Rule", but times have changed since it was written.

Remember that this is a World Wide site with instant access worldwide, and no one knows anyone else or their customs on this board except by what we show each other. What may be inoffensive to one human being may be reprehensible to another human being living in a land we have never visited. But should we be so blessed as to visit another foreign land other than our own, we would EXPECT to be treated well and with courtesy.

By respecting others over and above ourselves,it should be simple to maintain free expression towards one another in what we say and how we act negating the need for censorship.

I did it...I confess, I made the "penis & strap-on" comment... It was an off the cuff rib at Kona. You can read it in all it's glory here https://www.wincustomize.com/msgboard.asp?BID=WC&id=194903#195512 It's only fair, now that Hash decited to quote me that you read the entire thread.

I still think it's harmless & good for a giggle



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OK, trying to be objective here.

I do not see anything in China's post that should be censored. Someone please enlighten me. Am I missing something? Is it the word penis? It's the proper name of a body part.
I too have children, both boys, 2 and 4 years old. And they both know that what they use to go pipi is called a penis. Not a peepee, not a wazoo, not a birdie. A penis. They both have two arms, two legs, two eyes, one nose, one mouth, one penis and two testicles.

The word penis is not profanity.

China you trouble maker! hehe
maybe the word "strap on" is bad??? hehe!

Just read the thread which started all this commotion.

paxx........you are spot on........nuff said.

BTW......it took me several minutes to get myself together after reading the other thread. I don't think i have laughed so much for a long time.

Treat others as you EXPECT to be treated, not as you are treated.I know it's a slight deviation from the "Golden Rule", but times have changed since it was written

WM has it in one. It's all about respect for each other after all. Even disagreements can be conducted in a respectful manner.

The thing is the whole whats inapropriate or not can take on SO many paths on this particular subject. Simply because yes I agree that the language should without question be watched, and I'm not to big on swearing myself. I think the use of prophane language these days has become almost a second and for some a first language. I personally find it tacky, however on a site that prefers to project itself as a family site then it really shouldn't have a place in it. While I am a HUGE supporter of free expression, and yes I understand what freedom of speech does mean, say it anyway you want it, I still think free expression can be done with tact,manners, and grace.

Know where you are what is acceptable! Thats your basic manners.
Though I don't like to swear for the most part, the other day on DA a friend submitted a design and the first thing I thought was HOLY COW! (but the word wasn't cow ) It was just that good, and I commented in that way, but I knew my element...its DA for cryin' outloud.
Here I wouldn't have done that. Its about common sense.

HOWEVER, if you really think about it prophanity and what is acceptable is unfortunately based on perception isn't it? I mean if you really think about it. What I percieve as prophanity you may not.
I've been in atmospheres where the parent is swearing all over the house, and the kid replies with a curse word of their own. Now I personally, call me a snob I don't care, find that disgusting, but they obviously don't. But if for them there is OBVIOUSLY nothing wrong with it, if they behave that way daily, you can bet that person isn't going feel swearing elsewhere is wrong.

Lastly does labeling something as inapropriate conduct for a 'family' site only revolve around the use of prophane words? I'm sorry but I dont' think so. I find other conducts on these boards HIGHLY inapropriate that contains no foul language. I have before expressed that I don't care for the manner in which people are spoken to on these boards, with at times a condescending, arrogant sort of manner, and I find that very unappealing. (though it seems to have gotten a bit better)But, I find that just as inapropriate as the use of foul language. And had I a teenage kid I would NEVER allow my kid on this board, period.

While I think its so wonderful that WC is trying to create such an atmosphere, its still the parents responsibility, and there is way too much emphasis these days on the responsiblity of someone else doing the parenting for them. Kids have NO business being on the net unsupervised PERIOD! Have your pc's in the family room where they are always out in the open, turn your heads for crying outloud and look at what their doing, and yank'em off where they shouldn't be.

As for the 'orignal' thread: Sorry China, but...yes it was EXTREMELY inapropriate for something that is a 'family' site. Not because of the word penis, but the strap-on comment.I would not have wanted my kid to read that from several different aspects of it, not just one.

And those of you that say "oh you think your kids don't hear worse at school". Ummm I don't know what all you were talking about when you were teens, but indeed there was swearing abounds...but me and my friends didn't walk around talkin' about sex toys. Sex yes, every swear word under the sun, partying yes...but the above no. And no I wasn't by far a goody goody back then.

Hum. OK, so the problem is strap-on, not penis. OK, I get it.
Not sure I find it offensive though.

In that case, would the word "condom" be a dirty word as well?

Its not a matter of 'dirty' word or not. Its a matter of appropriate or not. Again its not a black and white thing.

First I didn't say I found it 'offensive' I said "HIGHLY inapropriate" for a place that chooses to promote as a 'family' site.

Its also a case of, if its not ok a for a newbie to say it, and it would NOT be taken as lightly had it been a newbie, then it shouldn't be acceptable and funny just because it was a WC ole timer.
If the mods who I know work their butts off to make this a cool place, don't want people feeling there is a double standard, which in the past others have felt, then its situations like this that need to example that. Had a newer person said that to Kona things could have easily gone awry.

As for the word condom...sadly in this day, we MUST teach teens of those things.

I think most of us moms that come out to play on the msg boards would prefer not to have the mom guard up so much? I seen nothing wrong w/ what China said here on this msg board at all it's the place to enjoy skinning and being yourself and having fun, NOT being a mom...