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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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The Emperor has no CLOTHES!!!!
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Reply #277 Top
No, Kona....Bush is merely a politician....yeah, I know....same thing....
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It's like that old joke. How do you tell when a Lawyer/Politician is lying?
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Maybe Bush should give that Pretzel a re-match, hell he could hand one to all his cronies and they could have a Rumble...




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the sooner we get a democrat in office, the better. Bush is a liar, cheat, and theif.


I thought you hate Democrats, and I thought you were a member of the very conservated Constitution Party.
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I am.

Just that Bush is a republican and has done more harm than Clinton and he lies everytime he opens his mouth.

Since my party will never be in office any time soon, a Democrat would be better than bush.]

At least the economy was outsatnding with Clinton in office.

BTW if Bush is your top republican I feel sorry for your party.
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You seem like you are in the mushy middle. An idependent that always changes his mind. I use to be there but I eventually got a grip on reality and became a Republican. Sounds like you are easily persuaded by all the anti-Bush BS that Democrats fling much like monkeys flinging their own feces.
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There is nothing anti bush about what they said....

tell me where is the concrete WMD that we went to war for? They haven't found them because Bush lied just to get Saddam out of power.

tell me why when Clinton left office we had a surplus but now we are in the red again?

tell me why I will get arestted in DC if i hold a sign that says "Bush Lies"

i am not in the middle. there is no middle.
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You are so easily persuaded from one side to the other and back again. First you like AMD best, then you Pentium, then who knows if you will be back. You were a Mac Lover, and now you are a Windows lover.

Now back to the topic on hand:

Saddam Hussein had advance warning that the war was going to happen. He knew many months in advance. He had plenty of time to hide all his weapons and remove evidence of his WMD plans. Some of his weapons may be in countries more sympathetic to Saddam, such as Syria. Intelligence reports indicates there were truck loads of stuff being shipped accross the boarder. Satellite images don't lie. It's very likely that it was materials for WMDs being shipped out of Iraq.

Bush was not the only president that believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. Clinton believed so too. So if Bush is a lier, then so is Clinton. If Bush and Clinton lied, then so did Tony Blair.

The economy started going down before Bush started his presidency so the bad economy was a result of Clinton's policies. It takes time for economic policies to take effect. Let's also not forget that whoever the President is is not the only factor in how the economy goes. There are other factors too that have nothing to do with whoever the President is.

I have no idea where you heard such a thing as getting arrested in DC for holding a sign that says "Bush Lies". Maybe that's just some feces flung from Democratic monkeys.

There isn't an exact middle, but there is some kind of middle. There are those in the middle that lean a little to the left, and those that lean a little to the right. Perhaps he lean to whatever side persuades you the most at the moment.
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You are so easily persuaded from one side to the other and back again. First you like AMD best, then you Pentium, then who knows if you will be back. You were a Mac Lover, and now you are a Windows lover.


Actually you got it wrong on both counts.

I swear by AMD and always have. I am going to try P4 cuz you can not knock somethin till you try it.

I love Mac but am forced to use windows due to the high cost of a modern MAC and my software is for PC...

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whatever. I am sure there is documented fact behind it. but hey, believe what you want to believe. Ask Koa.

you seem to think Bush is perfect.

the rest of us know better.
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I don't believe Bush is perfect, but I don't buy into the anti-Bush propaganda that the left continues to fling. They accuse Bush of letting 9/11 happen. I wouldn't be suprised if they accuse Bush of rape.
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They accuse Bush of letting 9/11 happen. I wouldn't be suprised if they accuse Bush of rape

He certainly seems to be doing a good job on the US right now.
Saddam Hussein had advance warning that the war was going to happen. He knew many months in advance. He had plenty of time to hide all his weapons and remove evidence of his WMD plans. Some of his weapons may be in countries more sympathetic to Saddam, such as Syria. Intelligence reports indicates there were truck loads of stuff being shipped accross the boarder. Satellite images don't lie. It's very likely that it was materials for WMDs being shipped out of Iraq.

Of course the Iraqis had plenty of warning ... pontificating and postulating via the media for several months ahead would sound a warning to anyone.
Another uninformed and biased comment from the great 'armchair general' mindset.
Or perhaps we have a member of the NSC posting who knows all and sees all?
There isn't an exact middle, but there is some kind of middle. There are those in the middle that lean a little to the left, and those that lean a little to the right.

Of course there is middle ground and of course people can change their minds, it is known as using one's brain to do more than keep one's ears apart.
. It takes time for economic policies to take effect. Let's also not forget that whoever the President is is not the only factor in how the economy goes. There are other factors too that have nothing to do with whoever the President is.

The only way is down, do you (TC) have a remote idea of how much money it costs to conduct a 'war'?
Even funding from the 'Bogota Boat-Building and Pharmecutical Corporation' is not enough, so you can look forward to paying more and increased taxation.
conservated

'conservative' ... if you must bag people get it right.





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They should all get jobs or learn skills to find employment and do something productive for America instead of standing around and banging a drum attacking the president for doing his job and combating terrorism.

Oh really?
Banging away at a keyboard and spouting uniformed doctrine that is so right wing as to border on Fascism is an acceptable alternative?
More evil than war, is the sentiment that pervades the peace movement, there is nothing worth fighting for.

Selective interpretation is always used by the uninformed.
There is a war of ideology in America, the opposition on the left are wrong to distinguish between the war on terror and the war against Iraq.

There is no such thing as a 'War Against Terrorism' .... but it is a great catch phrase to rouse the rabble.
. Luckily there is a large group of Americans, those in uniform who are willing to do the very dirty work that may be necessary to achieve another extended period of peace.

It really is working very well, oddly enough, there is a strong US push toward a UN force coming into Iraq .... but only under US control, not an option .
As usual, the PBI are getting killed at a steady rate while those who are not in the firing line rattle on about how 'they' are Fighting for Freedom ..... from the safety of their homes.
Perhaps these 'Rambo' stereotypes could join up and really sort out the bad guys!


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If taxes are raised, I would rather they are raised for the right reasons. I would prefer to contribute more to fighting terror and keeping our borders secure rather than feeding welfare moms who have more kids just to get bigger welfare checks.
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If taxes are raised, I would rather they are raised for the right reasons. I would prefer to contribute more to fighting terror and keeping our borders secure rather than feeding welfare moms who have more kids just to get bigger welfare checks.

TC ... your goodwill toward Humanity is underwhelming! >
That aside, you don't get a say in it, taxation will be used for whatever the sitting government decides.


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Reply #294 Top
I voted for the government therefor I have some say in policy by voting for candidates that best represent how I feel.

About goodwill towards humanity: I have no problem with helping people who need help, but I have a problem with people who abuse the system and leech off of it. In my opinion, it is not the government's job to be a charity.
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Let’s see I don’t have time this morning for Konas problem it is just too far gone, I will work on a patient that has hope. Wombat you seem to have the wrong notion of me, I am not a guy that cheers Americans to go to senselessly to war and die in combat, I want terrorists reigned in and I want security to improve for citizens that are victims of terrorism, guess what ,the only thing the terrorists understand is force. I really don’t know how anyone thinks we can engender positive feelings with murderers. We are talking about terrorists here, not rational people. Iraq has ties to a terrorist network that is unlike any of America's historical enemies. The man who recently sprayed bullets into a Southern Baptist hospital in Yemen, killing three American missionaries and wounding a fourth, confessed that he did it to "get closer to God." Negotiations, economic sanctions and even appeasement are useless in the face of this new threat.

You also seem to have a preconceived notion that is incorrect. Regarding troops on the ground, you are right they are in the thick of it, they have to do all the dirty work but without plans without logistics i.e. guys at desks, guys at pp presentations in suits drawing up plans, the soldiers would just get slaughtered. The strategy behind the mobilization may be the most important aspect of the whole thing.
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You also seem to have a preconceived notion that is incorrect. Regarding troops on the ground, you are right they are in the thick of it, they have to do all the dirty work but without plans without logistics i.e. guys at desks, guys at pp presentations in suits drawing up plans, the soldiers would just get slaughtered. The strategy behind the mobilization may be the most important aspect of the whole thing.


This is really wild...

Regarding troops on the ground, you are right they are in the thick of it, they have to do all the dirty work but without plans without logistics i.e. guys at desks, guys at pp presentations in suits drawing up plans, the soldiers would just get slaughtered.


What do you call driving down the road and having it blow up under their vehicles. Or having an RPG fired into a Hummer that is so lightly armored it is as affective as paper and is full of ammo. Or how about the ones who are standing in line at a store, or on guard duty at a college?

Oh that is right, never happened and never does happen because it is all liberal lies.

What about the fact that those troops are not trained to be police or rebuild nations or even pull guard duty. They are trained to fight war and kill or be killed.

How many of them do you think are trained in Arabic?

How many do you think have died by the hands of the person they handed food or water to, or paid wages to for helping rebuild a school or hospital?

The administration *claims* that the news coming out of Iraq is not balanced. There is a reason for that, it is because there isn't any weight to the positive of being in Iraq to balance the scales of News. Personally I think more news needs to come out of Iraq that is not controlled by opinion and is right to the heart of it.
The strategy behind the mobilization may be the most important aspect of the whole thing.


The mobilization strategy is what screwed the pooch.

They didn't care what happened after the outright head to head fighting was finished. Just getting the troops in there because they damn well knew they could not be pulled out after that. They had and have no plan to finish up, other than try to set it up so the US stays in control as long as possible.

Congress really put the US into this in the end because they are charged with being the voice of the people. Then again fear and hate do funny things to how people think or refuse to think.

Sad thing is that when they finally start thinking they wait extended periods before voicing it in fear of having to admit their own failures in that area.

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"What good fortune for Governments that people don't think."
-Adolf Hilter

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Ayman al-Zawahri More articulate than the Democratic party members in making a case against war? Just listen to him....

"We advise the mothers of the Crusaders' soldiers that if they wish to see their children that they rush to demand that their government bring them back before they return in coffins."

This is more articulate than any DNC arguments so far, Ayman al-Zawahri more articulate, perhaps he should get on the DNC ticket.
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You also seem to have a preconceived notion that is incorrect. Regarding troops on the ground, you are right they are in the thick of it, they have to do all the dirty work but without plans without logistics i.e. guys at desks, guys at pp presentations in suits drawing up plans, the soldiers would just get slaughtered. The strategy behind the mobilization may be the most important aspect of the whole thing.


"Strategy" is best left to non-civilians .... even if that were the case, the US forces are full of wannabe "Westmorelands" with one eye on their political futures, "Logistics" are too cluttered with delivering non-essential 'home comforts' to the extent of needing 20 'support' troops to back a single Rifleman .... a far cry from operating out of a backpack.
Mrs Thatcher and her General Staff had the right idea during the Falklands campaign .... keep the 'Media' muzzled and tell the civilians nothing.


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even if that were the case, the US forces are full of wannabe "Westmorelands" with one eye on their political futures


Here is proof that the left loaths the military and are full of crap when they say they support our troops.
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This thread is interesting. Can't wait until Frogboy opens up another section for this stuff.

anyway, I don't think what comes out of the news about Iraq is fair actually. I think there are allot of good things happening there. I think we all know how news works; focus on the bad and ugly and maybe, if there is time, on something nice or funny.



The only thing I can't believe is that any one side does not have proplems or in piticular bad policies.

Whether consevative (ie. non listening, we are right they are wrong, tunnel vision, shoot first and ask questions later mentallity) or liberal (ie. lets just hold hands, non-traditional, overly open, take God out of everything, extreme multiple change giving, Momma's boy mentality)


I perfer the middle with a slight conservative on top.