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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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Reply #326 Top
Gore did win the election...by popular vote, anyways....



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Reply #327 Top
h heck, you mean the people picked him... that doesn't count..



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The same people that thought this was a success harp on Bush for trying to stop terrorism, after a two front war that met a large variety of objectives with minimal casualties and collateral damage the prospects seem pretty good with the Bush doctrine and I am optimistic about it.

"Minimal Casualties???????????"
US troops are being killed each week AFTER the supposed "end" to the "War" .... and now the US is desperate to drag the UN into Iraq so it can withdraw with the job half done as usual.
Of course, when one's own butt is not on the line it is well and good to spout party propaganda and platitudes about "optimistic feelings".
Lest we forget the NATO “mission” when Clintons “unilateralism” (bypassing of the UN) didn’t raise any liberal fears, the whole thing was a disaster, the bombing only exacerbated the massacres and created a humanitarian crisis, it is not unfair to say that Bubba and his pal Wesley Farc targeted everything but Serbian forces if you think back and remember after the bombing stopped when column after column of totally unscathed Serbian armor emerged with smiling troops in high morale, add in high collateral damages and the international incident of bombing the Chinese embassy. Overall the objective to stop the massacre was a complete failure,

And of course, the well known penchant in the US military for carpet bombing areas of "hostile" territory from 50,000 feet continues to this day.
The ROE for US forces is far too loose, during the Iraq conflict RAAF Hornets would not engage a target as it fell outside the Australian ROE's, but of course, that didn't stop the American aircraft ..... and the large number of civilian casualties in the Balkans resulted from the very same sloppy doctrine.
"Shoot first and ask questions later" might be fine for the LAPD but it cuts no ice in these circumstances.
What genius came up with "Friendly Fire" as a media palatable excuse for a slack military command .... it certainly is not a term used by many of the more professional armed forces.
There is NOTHING friendly about killing one's own or allied troops let alone 'liberated' civilians .... or is it acceptable to the 'safe-at-home' civilian 'experts'.
Sore / Loserman 2000 would have won the election and now we would all be reading the Q'ran

If one must pontificate as the font of all wisdom then get it right .... "Koran".


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Should Yasser Arafat be assassinated?


it is obvious that no political process will ever move forward with Arafat in the position of power, This man wants no political process, he wears his objective on his sleeve in the form of a patch on his uniform, a map of Palestine without Israel, he seems to have the blessing of the Arab world. Arafat’s peace process is a simple philosophy, drive Israel into the sea, Arafat is the inventor and architect of terrorism as we know it today. So why in the age of the Bush doctrine is this man who is terrorism defined permitted to live?

Some say that Arafat’s assassination would infuriate the Arab street and make the hatred irreconcilable as well as making the Arabs more warlike and irrational, they are strapping explosives to their bodies, how much more irrational can they get?

I have a hard time trying to understand why Israel can’t just assassinate this thug; recently the Israeli cabinet declared “killing Arafat is an option” then backed off that hard line after the statement was condemned around the world. America and all of Europe condemn the recent call for Arafat’s assassination by the Israeli cabinet, at least as far as public consumption is concerned.

I think America and the alleys in Europe’s motive for calling Israel back from killing Arafat is to achieve some sort of cooperation in the war against terrorism from the rest of the Arab world. I think it is the worst form of appeasement to allow Arafat to continue his terrorist rule, just in return for a shallow promise of cooperation in the war against terror from the same Arab states that fund Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Islamic Jihad. Hopefully it is just temporary and as the position in the region becomes more powerful the policy will change.

Israel is the only western style democracy in the Middle East, as for all the Palestinians that are seemingly displaced, that is because these refugees were kept in camps to be used as political pawns against Israel. The refusal of the Arab nations to absorb their own was in spite of oil wealth and a land area hundreds of times larger than Israel. If they are truly repressed then they need a leader that will give them the political process, not Arafat, how far would Americas civil rights movement of the sixties have gone if Rosa Parks was a suicide bomber, If MLK commanded children to embrace an ideology of terror and suicide to mass murder innocent people?

Israel has never had a greater friend in the White House than George Bush Israel and the United States are today fighting the same battle, waging the same war, confronting the same enemy that glorifies a culture of death,where murderers are called martyrs and where suicide is glorified.

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Quote from book “Why America Slept” by Gerald Posner

But Woolsey [James Woolsey – CIA Director] felt the problems posed by Islamic terrorists were not going to be resolved through a single extraction. He favored a much more aggressive effort to fight Islamic extremists, but seemed out of step with the rest of the administration. He discovered, for instance, that there was no White House interest in conducting a wide-ranging probe to determine whether the Trade Center bombing was state-sponsored. Woolsey and some of the Agency's leading analysts thought they had uncovered clues that might link Ramzi Yousef to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. But when he ran that intelligence past others on the National Security staff, he quickly heard back that the White House had no interest in pursuing those leads. When Jim Fox, the FBI agent who supervised the Bureau's Trade Center investigation, told reporters that he thought there could be Iraqi sponsorship of the plot, U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White called him and asked that he immediately stop talking to the media about that possibility.

"There was no desire to confront Saddam," Woolsey said. "I would not be surprised to know that the judicial inquiry into the World Trade Center bombing was constrained by a policy decision from the White House. The idea that the evidence might eventually implicate Iraq and force the United States to act was something no one in the White House wanted to even contemplate. The idea of body bags on the evening news was a frightening thought to them. 'Let's not have any bad news' was their directive."

It had taken Woolsey nearly a year as the ClA's director to discover that sometimes the White House seemed more concerned about public relations than substantive agendas, at least when it came to foreign policy and counterintelligence.

"The White House just viewed foreign issues as distractions from their domestic agenda," Woolsey recalled, "and didn't want to be bothered by what we had to talk about. Clinton is very bright and very impressive on a first meeting. But over time I came to conclude that he was 90 percent concerned about the PR and only 10 percent substantive, at least in dealings with the CIA."

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"Gore did win the election...by popular vote, anyways"

Thank God the Framers were smart enough to create the Electoral Collage. Otherwise CA. Or New York City could control elections. Isn’t it strange that the biggest Liberal paper in Florida recounted every vote (except discounted Military Votes) and lo and behold G. Bush won by an even bigger margin. Of course the Demos don’t want you to remember that!
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This is good ...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091703/content/truth_detector.guest.html
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why do people keep referring to the voters intelligence about the punch card?

It has nothing to do with intelligence. Anyone can make a mistake. (and if you were a designer you would know that some forms are harder to fill out and confusing then others)

The issue here is, why not make sure the voting populace gets educated on how to use the 'chad' system until it is replaced.

Keep in mind that there are still 135 candidates running for Governor.


Once again, who is worst? The Dems for going to court or the Republicans for bringing voter intelligence into it as a decoy

BOTH
Reply #335 Top
Once again, who is worst? The Dems for going to court or the Republicans for bringing voter intelligence into it as a decoyBOTH


My thoughts exactly...

over 300 posts about republician and democrat bashing...
Reply #336 Top
Why didn't Bush the first get rid of Saddam? A republican?

Why didn't Reagan get rid of the Taliban and Osama? Why didn't Clinton?

yada yada yada...

all spin for each party to throw down the throats of voting citizens. No wonder 30% of registered voters actually cote.


Yeah, kill Arafat. The Arab street as well as other countries would be furious... but the terrorists can't do anything worst.. I think they can't but the communities they recruit from can help them more, ignore them more, finance them more, deal with them more.

So how would that be worst?


We wouldn't be talking about Arafat if Israel didn't speak of him. Everyone was in agreement that the terrorist broke the peace agreement and now no one is talking about that. What are they talking about? Arafat. A empty compound a few days ago turned into a festival.
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Joe & Terry I think you guys misunderstood… the Democrats are stopping the recall with the 9th circus court of appeals. They claim that 40,000 of their “constituents” may not have enough intelligence to punch the ballots, insulting the intelligence of their lobotomized voters, clearly it doesn’t matter because they jump up and down, for this man who has destroyed the economy of California, how much of an education do you need to punch the ballot, 3rd grade?
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#334 by PowerUser joetheblow - 9/17/2003 7:13:59 PM why do people keep referring to the voters intelligence about the punch card?


Unfortunately, this issue was brought up by a report, completed by Democratic staffers on the House Government Reform Committee and released last week that stated voters in minority districts had more errors in voting with the punch card system than did other districts. Many people took that as saying that minorities had more trouble figuring out the ballot.
Subsequent studies by MIT have found there are too many variables to attribute the errors to race and that the study published by the Democratic staffers should be judged carefully.

I think it's very irresponsible of them to release a study like this that even suggests lower capacity/intelligence in minority voters. How many times have we heard where someone makes a comment that is interpreted even the slightest bit racial and is lambasted for a racist attitude. I would think the Democrats especially would be attuned to this kind of thing and go out of their way to not have anything negative about race in a study they release or to hold back the study until more work could be done to find the actual cause.

I also wonder if this means the next Presidential election will be delayed as I would imagine there will be some punch card systems still in place then.
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On Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics, Wesley spewed typical Democrat bilge about Iraq, saying, "It's clear right now, Judy, that it wasn't worth going in as it was billed to the American people. There was no imminent threat to the American people. There was no imminent threat." Tell us, General Wilkes, what were the 'imminent threats' in Kosovo and Waco?
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Unfortunately, this issue was brought up by a report, completed by Democratic staffers on the House Government Reform Committee and released last week that stated voters in minority districts had more errors in voting with the punch card system than did other districts


oh Good Grief!
Could that have something to do with lower reading scores? social environment? educational record of district schools?

someone has to be dumb because of the multiple disadvantages faced in their communities?
sheeeeesh

anyway, Democrats, give me a break! can't live with em...
Reply #341 Top
The Dems saying it was no imminent threat is bull. They voted along with the republicans to give the president the authority mainly because we did not know what Saddam had and he really was not trying to show anybody anything as he was mandated to do.
Reply #342 Top
oh Good Grief!Could that have something to do with lower reading scores? social environment? educational record of district schools?someone has to be dumb because of the multiple disadvantages faced in their communities?sheeeeesh


That's pretty much what MIT is saying. There are way too many factors involved to come out with a study that points only to race. It almost seems like the Democratic staffers that released the study were trying to stir up trouble. Either that or it backfired on them. I mean, give me a break, to come out with a report and say our minority voters have problems understanding these ballots so they will be disenfranchised if we hold the election?
Reply #343 Top
Could you imagine if a Republican brought forth an argument claiming that a voter system was not reliable because minorities like blacks and Latinos were not intelligent enough to vote, Al Shartpton, Jesse Jackson and all the so called activists, the ones whose agenda is anything but activism, would be in front of the capitol pitching a fit with all the picket signs screaming racism. The fact that these “activists” remain silent in this case must mean that the race card is acceptable when a democrat pulls it.


The recall is inevitable, thousands of Democrats are waiting to stampede to get rid of Davis; this man has destroyed California’s economy. This is like the time Democrats stampeded to vote for Reagan to get rid of Carter, when Carter destroyed America’s economy.
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how did Carter get in there anyway?

Yeah, its true, if a Republican said something like what the Dems said with those 'test results' people whould have had a fit and a half

Literally. Onw whole fit and a half of one.


I guess its because Republican are beyond reproach so you expect them to be above that.


As for the Dems saying it and getting away with it is because they flip flop all the time no one take them seriously.
Reply #345 Top
No it is because Republicans like minorities right where they are, historically.

It is really a moot point to make claims about the punch cards from any side of the issue, there is only one.

The punch card system was supposed to be replaced by court order before anymore elections took place. For whatever reason you want to argue for it or against it, the arguement is moot.

So...




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Reply #346 Top
We should rename this thread to "Idiotic postings of those who have nothing better to do but complain about politics."

After all if you guys can not change politics, why complain about them?

IMHO
Reply #347 Top
Kona

sounds about right...

though, the administration will change in 2004, dem or repub it won't really matter, but it will not be Bush....





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Reply #348 Top
I was just trying to point out why are you all complaining about something you all can ot charge?

Get over it already. Dem or Rep they both suck. They both lie and cheat.

So who really cares?
Reply #349 Top
"No it is because Republicans like minorities right where they are, historically."

Is that why a Republican fought the Civil War?
Reply #350 Top
As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.

-- Abraham Lincoln

Republican