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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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Yes it has. As a conservative, it bothers me that Bush is not applying the same logic to the Israel's problem of terrorism as he is applying to our War on Terror. Israel has been fighting their own war on terror for many years. Just like our enemies, Israel's enemies cannot be reasoned with and negotiated with. Israel has a right to defend itself and "targeted assassination" of the leaders of terrorist groups is what's best for Israel's national security.


As a person who works with police officers and community leaders I find this sad. If the police took this stance we would still have crime in our area, still have people afraid of the criminals and the police, no tips from the community, no help from the community.


Isreal's problem is that they are not helping the community or Palenstine in any way. Targeting leaders is one thing, targeting them and killing anyone around them who happens to be there is another.

Isreal needs the help of the Palestinian citizen. Much like the US needs the help of Iraqi and Afgani citizens to stop the terorists.

No you do not reason with terrorists once it becomes clear that they are non listening (look at Ireland. Nogotiations worked with the group) but you must reason with the community where they come from.
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Is it me or does 'geeeeeeet out' bother any one else?



Liberia for the freed black slaves was a 'geeeeeet out' to those Blacks who just couldn't get a break in the US

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I said it before and I'll say it again
Both parties have problems; major ones.

Democrats don't have any real direction, use mud slinging and changed facts to point out 'truths' about the Republicans.

The Republicans can't seem to understand that there are people of other cultures and persuations and tend to be narrow minded when it comes to policy making.

Dems and Republics: on the different side of the isle but pretty much do the same thing.



I can't wait until I am a world leader so I can really get something done. Who is going to vote for me? Who is going to bump me off?

Fair and Balanced: You decide.
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oh this is a funny one. Allot to read but it fuuny:

... i just received this via email, so you'll all no doubt be getting it some day. just finished watching 'bowling for columbine' and i want to post it to remind myself to think. to react. to never stop questioning and to embrace the anger.

--- this.is.not.a.blog Posted
http://thisisnotablog.modblog.com

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction honey.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalists?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a
country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by
forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men, fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians, hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off
people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off
people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?

A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years
after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to
support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we
looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.
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ahhh that's great! I'm glad there's a sensible explanation for all this...
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Speaking of China, how come they are communist and not on the list of Axis of Evil???

Why did the Taliban get 43 million dollars in March of 2001 months before 9/11?

Who shot JR from Dallas?

How come whatever the US does is wrong? (Damned if you do, Damned if you don't)

How is France different from the US? (I know I am going to catch heat for that one )
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Oh and I ment to post this:

http://denizengt.modblog.com/

Its DenizenGT's blog and he asks some serious questions and tries to answer them but needs our help.

Lets save the children one child at a time.
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How is France different from the US? (I know I am going to catch heat for that one


They're French.



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The only solution to Israel's terrorist problem is to fight the terrorists.


The only thing missing in Israel at this point are the black uniforms and the armbands .... they are dealing with the Palestinian 'problem' in much the same way they were treated 50 odd years ago.


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#234 by Developer wombat_1 - 9/7/2003 5:54:08 AM The only thing missing in Israel at this point are the black uniforms and the armbands .... they are dealing with the Palestinian 'problem' in much the same way they were treated 50 odd years ago.


Yasser Arafat and Hamas and all the other terrorist organizations have one objective, drive Israel into the sea, that’s it. I support their targeted assassinations of Hamas, no matter how draconian they may seem because there is really no other alternative for the survival of Israel. Palestinians are being victimized not by Israel, but by the surrounding Arab neighbors in a war to violently evict Israel, even the moderate Arab leaders want Israel driven into the sea. Palestinians are kept in squalid conditions and used as pawns in a propaganda campaign, so that Arab leaders can say things like, look what the Zionist have done to the Palestinians. Why cant oil rich Arabs like Saudi Arabia at least build housing and help their Arab brothers, if they are so concerned? I have heard that Palestinians are viewed in the Arab world much the same way Americans view “trailer trash.” they are basically just a useful tool to use against Israel.

The liberal view is that no world leader should send a military to kill the enemy to restore security, I think that there is no other alternative for Israel but to wage a campaign of targeted assassination and it is obviously being supported by Washington, nothing like this would happen in Israel without a nod from the president. What is Ariel Sharon supposed to do at this point? Targeted assassination may cause collateral damage but that is the price for associating with terrorists, in contrast everyone in Israeli society, including women, children and non-combatants have been targeted for assassination by design, what do you suggest Sharon do? Land for peace will not work.


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#229 by PowerUser joetheblow - 9/6/2003 8:09:39 PM


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1. Montresor killed fortunato because he was insulted in some way, the only real reference to this insult is when Poe wrote, “but when he ventured upon insult, I swore revenge. You would think that a motive for murder would be a little more important than just vaguely mentioning an undefined insult, there was really no explanation for “a thousand injuries” other than my perception that these injuries were a result of an insult that caused montresor psychological duress.
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? The Cask of Amontillado?
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#238 by motion - 9/7/2003 7:30:44 AM ? The Cask of Amontillado?


Yes, I pasted the wrong thing from my editor
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#220 by Vagrant DavidK - 9/6/2003 5:11:34 PM Jesus... what a horrible statement.aside from the other horrible things you just said this one is enough to address: "Israel's enemies cannot be reasoned with and negotiated with" I suppose you feel the same way about America's "enemies" too don't you?


The world in its natural state is fundamentally violent, if a predator wants to rip the meat off of the bones of its prey then that is the predators sole objective, this is an outcome that is as unmovable as a mountain because that is the lions nature. A Zebra cannot negotiate with a lion like a Jew cannot negotiate with a terrorist. All those herbal teas Liberals drink have been affecting their minds, giving them a disproportionate view of reality.
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In other words, it might not be unreasonable to suspect that when leaders of free nations make deals with despots, shake hands with mass murderers, and sign treaties with terrorists, the results may turn out to be less than a triumph for the forces of peace, reconciliation, and international comity.
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hmmmm, should I get involved with such a petty thread... hmmmm

dang dems! always whining!! pooor me... no I better stay out.. its just like their canidates.. always pointing out eachothers mistakes.. argg
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/me wanders in, gives a big yawn, wanders out again...
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Yasser Arafat and Hamas and all the other terrorist organizations have one objective, drive Israel into the sea, that’s it. I support their targeted assassinations of Hamas, no matter how draconian they may seem because there is really no other alternative for the survival of Israel. Palestinians are being victimized not by Israel, but by the surrounding Arab neighbors in a war to violently evict Israel, even the moderate Arab leaders want Israel driven into the sea.

Instead of quoting rhetoric and extreme right wing dogma perhaps a decent history class on the State of Israel would be in order here.
Aside from the application of selective memory on the subject of 'terrorism' (The Stern Gang, The 'King David Hotel Incident' etc) any person who 'supports targeted assasinations' should get away from their 'Rambo Fantasyworld' and have a look at the results on the ground of this 'policy'.
All that the current Israeli Government are creating are more terrorists .... >
Armchair politicians and militants are all the same, until one views this first hand and (more to the point) realises the futility of killing off civilians it remains uninformed and selective crap!
A human body is very messy when hit by shards of metal .... whatever nationality .... and the smell of death is like nothing else.




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All those herbal teas Liberals drink have been affecting their minds, giving them a disproportionate view of reality.


Herbal teas are not FDA tested and approved so you never know what kind of toxins you are putting in your body.



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OK....the FDA endorsement of Herbal Tea use is somehow mixed up with US politics and terrorism......it all becomes clear....
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I know I didn't say Israel targeting terrorists is bad.

I just have a problem with how many people die that happen to be around those terrorists.

Someone might say the terrorist would hide behind the citizens and that would be true. But much like in Iraq when that was done the citizens did not like it and those terrorist are not very muched liked.

But not Palestine. Israel happens to kill or 'collateral damage' of people that honestly shouldn't have died. I can understand 1 or 2 people. I don't understand killing 5 - 10 or more for one person.


As I said before, the Palestinian people are more the helpless pawn for both sides. If no one empowers them the fight in the middle East will continue.

Same in Iraq, Afghanistan, The Congo, Ireland, specific South American countries and so forth where lack of education, lack of freedom, economy, and other factors.

Anything wrong with what I wrote I would like to here it.
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#236 by Citizen Anthony R. - 9/7/2003 6:49:03 AM #229 by PowerUser joetheblow - 9/6/2003 8:09:39 PM This is a mild form of flooding




A hard read it is... very interesting.

So what your saying is it holds no value at all? I found it funny but after a little research I found some of those questions puzzling.

Much like the CIA and NSA gets flooded with data on many topics does not mean they shouldn't try to understand some of it. Then again from what I know of conservatives looking at all options tends to be a problem. (but are really good at making decisions. I'll grant that. They are much unlike liberals who can't seem to pull it together to come to a conclusion trying to please everyone)


There are intrinsic problems with each side, I am just not sure either side is aware of it. That is the big mistake.