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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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US citizens not be concerned?

That statement alone proves you have not read it doesn't it



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For the last couple of years I have been a keen observer of America's foreign politics, and I have to say that my uneasiness over the direction this government is heading into grows by the day.
If the most powerfull nation of the world blackmails the UN, pulls out of a range of international treaties, inreases its power by invading other countries (of course just to liberate the people), and even more importantly introducing the concept of a "pre-emptive" strike, then the world has reason to start worrying indeed.

I agree with DavidK that this has "history repeating itself" written on it all over, and it is my personal opinion that the true patriots of any country are the ones that are there to point things like the ones mentionned above out. After all, if we think back to WWII and the rise of both Hitle and Stalin, the first thing that pops into our heads is; why did they let it happen?

#117 by Tech Cat - 9/4/2003 11:59:51 AM Any 9/11 conspiracy theory that suggests that Israel was in anyway involved in either committing the attack itself or letting it happen is anti-semitic.


Why?? The state Israel is a political and not a religious body and the country itself houses substantial populations of muslims and christians. Accusing a government of doing wrong has nothing to do with the country's religion.
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#185 by IPlural - 9/6/2003 3:42:34 PM GM there is a bunch more in that which I worry about...But that is one of them..How about Ashcroft requesting building Internment camps for US citizens labeled as threats to the National Security...?


When Sept 11 was happening, as I watched it, I thought that America might respond with nuclear weapons, I also though interment camps for anyone of Arabic decent would be set up, none of those things happened, If it didn’t happen then on the spot, then I doubt it will happen now, it seems that the Osama is hiding in a cave and Saddam is dressed as a woman hiding in basements.
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I feel sorry for most of my republican friends. One very close friend of mine (a republican) and I were discussing politics a couple days ago and he made a very interesting observation. He said he noticed every time Bush speaks he's smirking. It drives him crazy because even when Bush is trying to be serious, talking about something tragic for example, he has this smirk that often breaks into a little smile, like he can't control himself. My friend (who is also wealthy) said he feels every time he has ever seen Bush speak publicly he gets the impression Bush is thinking - god, what stupid people you are. He kept saying "and I'm a Republican!" I recommended he he write to someone and ask that the next candidate be someone with a brain and a heart which his guy seems to have neither. He agreed.

It's gotta be a major cognitive disconnect to try to tell yourself that this guy is a "leader". I only see a mean-spirited and venal little man who delights in executions and corporate fraud.

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Why?? The state Israel is a political and not a religious body and the country itself houses substantial populations of muslims and christians. Accusing a government of doing wrong has nothing to do with the country's religion.


Israel is a Jewish state for the Jewish people. To say that a government of a Jewish state is involved in a conspiracy is anti-semitic. Making up such conspiracies about Israel only encourages anti-semitism.



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It's gotta be a major cognitive disconnect to try to tell yourself that this guy is a "leader". I only see a mean-spirited and venal little man who delights in executions and corporate fraud.


Mean spirited? The only mean spiritedness I see is the constant Bush bashing by the Democratic Party because they can't stand the fact that a Republican president is a popular president and they are desperate to defeat him in 2004.



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Ah, that is like saying that Black people sell crack cocaine to Blacks is racisit...




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#199 by Tech Cat - 9/6/2003 3:59:15 PM I really can't see the difference between saying that 9/11 was conspiracy carried out by both the Bush administration and the Israeli government and saying that the holocaust never happened and was story created by the "worldwide Jewish conspiracy".



I agree with your assessment that anti Semitism plays a large role in the decision making of the non participating members of the UN, as well as individuals with hatred toward Bushes policies, because Israel has never had a better partner in their war against terror and really it is the same war.
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Yes it does without a doubt, though I do not think it is the UN but the Arabic nations who play this game....

Kind of like those who fight for and against racial issues in the USA. They demand we see black and white, and screw anyone who is color blind...




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I can't think of a single US President that has been a greater friend to and more pro-Israel than George W Bush. I disagree with Bush trying to make peace in Israel by asking both sides to cease fire. Historically every cease fire in Israel ends in a terrorist attack. The only solution to Israel's terrorist problem is to fight the terrorists. There are extremists on the Palestinian side that would not be happy enough with a Palestinian state coexisting with an Israeli state. They would rather push Israel out of existence.


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every single president has been a friend to Israel, it just took George a few years to decide how much of a friend he would allow himself to be...



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Israel is a Jewish state for the Jewish people. To say that a government of a Jewish state is involved in a conspiracy is anti-semitic. Making up such conspiracies about Israel only encourages anti-semitism.


What you are saying is that the Israli government can't be critisised or accused of anything ever, because that of course would be antisemitic.
And I think that the religious minorities would disagree with your view that Israel is for Jewish people only. I have been to Israel and I know that a majority of the population see themselves as an international multi-religious community.
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206 by Tech Cat - 9/6/2003 4:21:13 PM they can't stand the fact that a Republican president is a popular president and they are desperate to defeat him in 2004.


Hanoi Dean looks like thier guy, although I thought However I thought the reverand Sharpton was the most distinguished during the debate.

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And I think that the religious minorities would disagree with your view that Israel is for Jewish people only. I have been to Israel and I know that a majority of the population see themselves as an international multi-religious community.


I am aware that in Israel, the citizens have the right to believe in any religion they choose, however, the official state religion is Judaism. Israel was founded as a Jewish state after World War II.



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Tech and AR have been trying through this entire thread to bring Israel and anti-semitism into it. Why? Over and over you keep bringing it up even though no one else here had mentioned Israel.

It's interesting to me that the main thrust of any political discussions I've had over the years has been human rights, public health issues, poverty and the environment. Suddenly it's different. Now it seems discussions are aimed at things like pre-emptive war and the use of nuclear weapons, state-secrecy and it's dark portent in a democracy, the breakdown of international diplomacy, the catastrophies of free market capitalism and the distribution of resources, the inequality of excess and the danger of ignoring it.

Unless of course the couch potato patriots are there and then it's all the conspiracy theories and ufo stuff they love to ridicule. Somehow it always comes back to I bet you believe in Roswell haha. It makes it easy for you if you paint the oposition as being a fruitcake so you don't have to answer to reality. Takes the heat off the real human issues to just reduce the debate to silly soundbite jabs at any distressed topic like ufo's or anti-semitism. The media's gotten very good at it and the faithful parroteers are driving the lie to it's comfortable acceptance among the many. There are no real issues out there, they're just a bunch of kooks.

Don't confuse facts with propoganda and try to be serious when you discuss people's lives whether they are Iraqi or your sister.

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Terrorism has become Israel and Americas shared interest.
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If I can not blame you, or get you to accept my blaming you as your own conclusion then I will point you in another direction....

hence the need to bring up the party line issues...



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It is like complaining about throwing mud by throwing mud



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Terrorism has become Israel and Americas shared interest.


Yes it has. As a conservative, it bothers me that Bush is not applying the same logic to the Israel's problem of terrorism as he is applying to our War on Terror. Israel has been fighting their own war on terror for many years. Just like our enemies, Israel's enemies cannot be reasoned with and negotiated with. Israel has a right to defend itself and "targeted assassination" of the leaders of terrorist groups is what's best for Israel's national security.



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Jesus... what a horrible statement.

aside from the other horrible things you just said this one is enough to address: "Israel's enemies cannot be reasoned with and negotiated with" I suppose you feel the same way about America's "enemies" too don't you?

If you have no concept of history, perhaps you could feel that way. If you know almost nothing about the situation, maybe you could justify a statement like that. I think you have a lot of reading to do before anything you say is credible. The knee-jerk reaction of shooting first and reasoning with later is exactly what's wrong today. It's hard to reason with someone you are oppressing, no matter how willing they are to forgive the past.

There is a larger group of people in Israel that wants to be fair, wants to reason with their neighbors than the side that wants to take more land and make more enemies. The majority of Israelis would like to live in peace. It's cruel for an outsider to deny their existence, their feelings and even more cruel for their own government to deny them.

Sharon's is not the only opinion and probably the least effective method. Sharon's policy guarantees there will be no peace. Just as Bush's policies have guaranteed there will be more terrorists and greater loss of lives.

There are no statesmen in the world today and no leader capable of inspiring peace.  That's our fault and it will be our undoing.

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Every attempt to make peace has ended with a terrorist attack. Negotiations don't work. Terrorists are irrational and will not be happy with a compromise. They want what they want or else. Palestinian terrorists do not want a coexistence with Israel, they don't want Israel to exist at all. There never was such a thing as a country called called Palestine anyways.



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one hell of a good read guys. thanks!
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Palestinian terrorists and Israeli terrorists don't want peace. That is certainly true. Palestinian people and Israeli people do want peace. There is a problem when the representation is only from the side of the terrorists or the military. Peaceful people are not good media or good for the business of terrorism and war.

And it IS a business.  Billions of dollars go those who supply both sides and those who rebuild the damage. When Osama blew up the Kobay towers we paid Osama's family to rebuild them. When we blew up oil refineries in Iraq we paid Cheney's company to rebuild them. $1 billion a week is being spent in Iraq and it's all going to weapons suppliers plus Halliburton (Cheney) Bechtel (CIA) and Carlyle (Bush, Bin Laden, Carlucci). Soon WorldCom will also be spending (making) billions on rebuilding Iraq's telecom infrastructure.

Does this not smell a bit funny? Bin Laden blows it up and his family gets paid to fix it, Bush blows it up and his family gets paid to fix it, Cheney etc... It's a bit too transparent. It's the source of the power and the wealth. Blow it up or we lose money off the bottom line. The people don't get a say in it... just keep the bombs rolling, whether theyre dropped out of a B-52 or strapped to some poor desperate farmer makes no difference, the money goes to the same place.

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you really want to knwo what is scary, the Patriot Act allows the CIA to do it's thing in the USA.



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but then again I am just one of those mindless freaks who has crappy crawlers instigating my reactions and thoughts...



hold true to your values and seek a means of scuttling the support of them later in case it doesn't work out...



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