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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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#146 by Kona0197 - 9/5/2003 5:43:27 PM I really doubt that. Oil has been around forever and i am sure there is more than 50 yrs worth left.


From what I have seen the experts predict the best case scenario for oil is only about 45 years.
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#149 by Tech Cat - 9/5/2003 9:57:46 PM There will be no new residents in the White House until January 2009.



Hanoi Dean will not make it, Bush will win in a landslide for 2004
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Oh no not another 4 years of bush!
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I hope that wasn't too much... I thought it was funny...

This is really interesting - I just found this editorial by a member of the Brittish Parliment, Michael Meacher.
"This war on terrorism is bogus "
"The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination"

from the Guardian, Sept 6 2003


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even if it did, I don't think it would work and those who do in power are wrong.

It would take way to much effert, money and time to secure the domination. Other nations would clearly have power.

Unless 'they' in fact want to take away as many freedoms as possible to the point were we all are being watched every second. that could happen. it is not impossible but very hard to do.

Many people do not trust the goverment enough to 'follow' willy nilly. The minute you 'try' to clamp down on freedom eventually it comes back to bite you in the ass.

This is what I have read in history books. No country has done it and the one who succeeds better take heed to the consiquiences.
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Actually Texas sits on half the oil it had in the ground when it started pumping. Its called the National Oil Reserves...

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In the words of a red headed redneck on South Park when talking to anti-war hippies:

"If you don't like it then you can geeeeeeeet out!"
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get out of what pray tell?

Actually, this nation was built upon the trust that it would stay liberal in thought (not as the word has been high jacked by political parties) so that a diverse number of perceptions and opinions would be considered a good and positive thing. Also as a means of coming to the best consensus on what the best possible path for the majority of the citizens would be while taking everyones position into the equation.

I get a kick out of the bow or broil theory being applied in a blanket of us or them and nothing in between.

Hell, isn't the Republican party against the expansion of Government? Explaining away the need for a Job Czar doesn't cut it does it? I mean that is a big, if not HUGE jump in the direction of expanding government, is it not?

Democratic party stands for many things correct? Then how come it has been high jacked by so many special interest groups who all claim the same thing when cornered " We are for peoples rights, and so on". Iraq needed to be taken and the people needed to have the option of creating a possibility of living free from the out right maniacal oppression of a Psychopathic Murder Driven animal who happened to employ a bunch just as bad as him and call them the Government in charge.

Bush screwed up in not doing something about this right away and not double speaking his way into it. Same thing with Afghanistan and the excuse that we set a people free. That is a load of crap, it is NOT the reason we went in there and it is not the reason we are only half stepping there still this day.

We are not at war with anyone one Nation in this war on terrorism so the D Day model doesn't work. We can not cut around groups of enemy and hit the main place and just absorb those we jumped past later. We have to hit, finish it up, clean it up and then protect it from being taken back, then move to the next place. Anything else leads us to perpetual skirmishes and being spread to damn thin.

This myth that the nation is safer is getting a bit much also.
The only reason we have not been attacked again is because they have not decided it is time to attack us. That is not going to change, I remember as a kid walking into and out of Canada all the time hunting and fishing. You can drive down any number of gravel and stone roads between the two and never see a soul. You could drive 20 semi's full of what you want down these roads and at least one is going to make it through. That is only one state on the border to the north and it is the one to the south that really hasn't any protection.

Who here knows that the NAZI party actually was in talks for months before the US entered the war? They could not decide if they wanted to side with the Germans or stick to supporting the US to the north.

The Germans knew that our borders being as open to the south as they were was really something of use to them in taking this nation head to head in the Air and on the ground with the right leaders (German of course).

Those same borders have not really changed much, you can still freely do as you like on that border as long as you have prepared for the travel and such.

Nothing much has changed when taken in whole and this PA is a load of crap also because this is NOT a police state and if it becomes one then the terrorist won because at the moment that the Constitution is thrown out and peoples freedom is thrown away in the name of protecting freedom America is no more...

anyway, a crack pot perspective from one of the local crack pots...




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"If you don't like it then you can geeeeeeeet out!"


It's not really a democracy anymore if we have to like whats going on or leave.



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"If you don't like it then you can geeeeeeeet out!"

Tech Cat - could it be that you completely missed the message and the intent of that South Park skit?  The statement although not uncommon is one that perfectly describes the intolerance that America's founders sought to prevent. It is funny because in the guise of being patriotic the redneck is making an extremely un American, un patriotic statement. The creators of South Park are parodying what they consider to be a symptom of poor learning.

Good post IPlural... big government has never been bigger or more intrusive, more secretive and more false to the public than this administration. Never in the history of America has there been a greater threat to the Constitution (which a republican refferred to as "an archaic document that is irrelevant in modern times". I think people look around and see we still have most of our freedom intact but the direction is to chip away at the Bill of Rights and the Constitution while building the most fearsome infrastructure for control ever imagined.

The most precious right Americans have, to vote their government in or out of office, has been compromised and it's only getting worse.  Corporate employees forced to contribute to the CEO's favorite candidate, electronic voting machines with no paper trail and highly questionable integrity, millionaires and corporate "donations" determining who gets elected and independant candidates not getting a voice in the corporate controlled media.

One or maybe two generations from now, will the people be looking back at us and wonder why no one sounded the alarm or tried to stop the creation of a totalitarian dictatorship? It doesn't take too much imagination to know if your leader wants dictatorial powers he might want to set up a dictatorial government. We will all pass from the scene and turn over the world to our children. Is it to be a world of imprisonment and fear? Slaves to an economic system derived from concepts of debt that serves only the wealthy. The middle class is disappearing... ever think about where it's disappearing to?

edited for spelling - jafo ;Þ


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Did you miss the South Park episode where they went to Afgahnistan? Stan agreed with the Afgahn children that America does have some problems. At the end he displays his patriotism, and his friends question him about his agreeing with the Afgahn children before that America has problems. Stan replies "Sure America has its problems, but if you can't root for the home team then get out of the stadium."



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I've never actually seen an episode fo South Park. I've seen a couple clips like the one in Bowling for Columbine and the interview with its creator.  It looks like a hip, funny show but not enough to get me to watch TV.

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oh and incidently, I don't consider having a conscience and being aware as not rooting for the home team. If I see an administration that commits one assault after another on freedom and the American system of representative government and accountability I can only do my patriotic best and point out the disconnect from America's ideals and values.

If Hitler were the home team would you feel the same way? Get over your indoctrination, America was founded by rebels and built into its manifest the right to be awake and question inapropriate behavior from the elected officials. You should not wish for any thing less than an informed and active populace. You are allowed to have a brain and an opinion. In fact, it's your patriotic duty.

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If Hitler was the home team then I would not root for it and leave. Hitler is not the president here and our president is no Hitler no matter what propaganda the extreme left can come up with.



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Tech Cat have you read and thought about what you just posted?



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You haven't read the Patriot Act very carefully. That alone could be used illegally against anyone and people may not notice for awhile.



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#165 by Tech Cat - 9/6/2003 3:08:55 PM If Hitler was the home team then I would not root for it and leave.


You would leave your nation to slipping so low as that? Is that, American in your opinion?

Is that your honest feelings?





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Personally I feel that the process being applied is very close to the one used by Hitler and the NAZI party to turn Germany into what it became in the 30 and up until the end of the 60's....

Does that mean I am calling Bush Hitler? Not in the least, it does mean that the same process of social engineering is being applied, or something very close to it...

If you remove the stigma from it and actually look at the process it is too damn close to being the same...





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yeah really... leave?  thanks for saving your own ass...

I never said Bush was Hitler either. If anything (in spite of all the quotes from Mein Kamph coming out of Ashcroft and Cheney) the system they're building looks alot more like Stalin was the primary model. Bush (our president) is nothing. He's a cut-out that they put on TV, a sock puppet that only says (they desperately hope) what he's told to say. It's the "they" that I would rather address.

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IPlural, I agree - it's been chilling to watch...
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Tech, they're only getting started...

You didn't see the congressional debate (or lack thereof) for the "enabling act"? The act that gave Hitler his power in Germany was passed after a terrorist attack on their parliment. After WWII it was discovered the attack was  staged by Herman Goerring for the express efect of passing the Enabling Act. It was an exact duplikate of the requested war powers the administration tried (partially unsuccessfuly) to get from Congress.  

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I am sick and tired of liberals spreading steriotypes about Republicans being racist and war mongering.

Why is it acceptable to spread conspiracy theories about the government having ulterior motives, but it is not acceptable to spread conspiracy theories about Microsoft?



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Who claimed *all* Republicans are anytihng?



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