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The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

The idiotic postings below about the democratic party.

You complain about nothing positivey from democrats??!? Maybe you missed the eight years of non-stop whining from the republicans! For eight long years they couldn't get over an ELECTED president they didn't like. Imagine if Clinton's brother had fixed his election, not one republican would ever SHUT UP about it!
EVER!

You want a positive agenda? Try the earned income tax credit that CLinton got passed that lifted millions of Americans who work for a living out of poverty and off welfare. Try the programs that put internet and computers into the vast majority of american schools that we without them. Try the Middle class tax cuts that gave us unpresidented booming stock markets that dwarfed anything before or since. You could try the lowest unemployment in 30 years. Or the first budget surplus on a yearly basis in 36 years. You want positive? Then put a democrat back in charge!

You want negative? Then look around. THree years and we have the highest deficits in the HISTORY of the country. We have lost 3 MILLION jobs in just three years, that never happened any time except the great depression with Hoover. You want negative, the judges you want to call qualified would love to take us back to slavery and a church run society. When your justice dept is run by a man who was fighting to keep Activly bussing black kids across town to stick them in all black schools, you are not an acceptable judge of qualifications.
You want negative, try the blaming of enron's rip off of charging 3000% higher than the highest rates in HISTORY in California on the salmon run like Cheney did. With memo's calling the program "death star" in Enron stationary, Bush said "I don't know Ken Lay". Only texas newspapers from the Gov's term show them buddy buddy as can be. He is a LIAR!@|!!!!
In the 2000 debate Bush claimed he sponsered a bill of rights for patients in Texas, and blabbered on and on about how proud he was of it. HE VETOED IT TWICE!!! And it became law WITHOUT his SIGNATURE! He's a LIAR!! Clear and plain.


You want to talk about the blackout, Fine. Lets talk about how the Grid upgrade was in the budget until BUsh told the gopers to veto it. TWICE! Republicans talk about responsibility, but somehow, when they are in office and everything always goes to hell, they are never responsible for any of it according to them. Let's talk about the fact that the company where it happened, first Energy gave hundreds of thousands to Bush and had massive leaks in their reactor in Ohio
that they barely caught when inspecters came in. The safety record for them is disgusting.
Yet thanks to Bush, the regulaters keep loosening the reigns on them.

Well, if you control all three branches, and the country is in the worst state it's been since the depression, don't tell me you aren't responisible!

You want positive agenda, look at the small business tax breaks Howard Dean gave in VErmont that increased their jobs by 26% over six years. Only his state isn't cutting everything to the bone under Bush. Only his state still has a $10 million dollar surplus to get through.
Across the country, every state run by the GOP is bankrupt. What to the republicans say for themselves? Excuse after excuse. Bill Clinton had one affair, Bush is screwing the whole nation.

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Reply #176 Top
I don't have a huge problem with repbulicans in general. I don't vote for them, but I don't think most are dangerous. But I do have a problem with almost everyon in the current administration.



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I had read here and other threads about how Republicans are all rich people.

news flash: I am poor and a Republican. My parents are poor and are Republican.



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I can't recall any anti-Clinton propaganda that went so far as to compare him to Hilter.

I am sick and tired of the Democrats constantly bashing Bush. They bash him no matter how good or bad things turn out in the War on Terror. They go so far as to compare Bush to Hilter. They call Bush a racist. It would not suprise me if they go as far as accuse Bush of rape.


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Reply #179 Top
again, whom in this conversation has said the first thing about republicans?



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Reply #181 Top
who has said anything about Clinton, by the way he isn't in office anymore, don't you think it is about time that everyone quit trying to use him as a scape goat for what this administration does?




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My biggest issue with him is the Patriot Act. What I don't know if you realize about that is part of it is you can be arrested without a warrent if law enforcement simply labels you as a terrorist. And then what happens if they try you in front of a military tribunal rather than a real court where you have rights. This could go on for awhile without being noticed.



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Reply #183 Top
well of course he did, he did it in return for the dem basking thread...

I was thinking we might have moved beyond that...

Because it is as pointless as "My Dad can beat up your Dad"



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I was comparing the propaganda against Clinton during the Clinton years to the propaganda against Bush. The propaganda against Bush is much more outrageous. It is extremely outrageous to suggest that Bush would allow 3,000 Americans to die on 9/11 just for political gain. I don't recall such propaganda being spread against Clinton.



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Reply #185 Top
GM there is a bunch more in that which I worry about...

But that is one of them..
How about Ashcroft requesting building Internment camps for US citizens labeled as threats to the National Security...?




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My biggest issue with him is the Patriot Act. What I don't know if you realize about that is part of it is you can be arrested without a warrent if law enforcement simply labels you as a terrorist. And then what happens if they try you in front of a military tribunal rather than a real court where you have rights. This could go on for awhile without being noticed.


Are you talking about the arrest of non-US citizens? Our rights do not extend to outsiders.


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Reply #187 Top
Why? why is that so outragious?


It isn't a political issue for me, I think that if a Dem president decided that is what they needed to happen they would be just as ready to do it...



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Reply #188 Top
Tech Cat those rights are our rights he is speaking of, you really need to read that PA in full if you haven't....



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Reply #189 Top
I don't believe ANY Deomocrat or Republican would plot to allow 3,000 Americans to die. It's an outrageous accusation to make.


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anyway...

dinners on the table... type you all soon



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#159 by IPlural - 9/6/2003 1:46:43 PM get out of what pray tell? Actually, this nation was built upon the trust that it would stay liberal in thought (not as the word has been high jacked by political parties)


While that may be, I personally wonder what Thomas Jefferson would think of today’s Utopian Liberal. On one hand Liberals of today like to stand up and say “it was Liberals that founded America” on the other hand Liberals have already began a smear campaign to demonize, diminish and discredit these historical figures going as far as to say schools should not be named after them and that their pictures should be removed from government buildings and money, because they were slave owners. Therefore Liberals of today should not use this example of how Liberals founded America.
Thomas Jefferson’s historic words all men granted inalienable right endowed to them by their creator is a fundamental integral aspect of the Declaration of Independence and to sterilize any and all passages pertaining to god would be wrong, Liberals would do this under the guise of “separation of church and state” and it is incorrect revision.
Reply #193 Top
Tech Cat, think about it.

The US is paying the living survivors of Weapons testing for Chemical/Bio and Nuclear weapons right now. These are people who served during and years after WWII who they did research on without their consent...

Ship loads of sailors who happened to be exposed to chemical weapons and such...

Just 4 years ago they admitted to it and started paying the survivors benifits...

Un-Wed mothers (children really) who ended up in Mental institutions because it was not acceptable for them to have children out of marriage. Given food with radio active isotopes in it so they could track the long term affect of low dose long term exposure to it.

damn the list goes on and on....

My wife had a Friend in high School who was a tech at a missile site, ICBM silo where they had leaks and he died at the age of 19, his whole freaking body ate itself from exposure and everyone in the family had to sign papers stating that if they spoke of it they could be in fact arrested for treason...



they wouldn't do it and it is outrageous?





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This is all the byproduct of fear mongering coupled with an alarmist thought process. Conspiracy theory is great if there is a basis of foundation for it, the Kennedy assassination for instance, everyone agrees that one man with a bolt action rifle could not have done that much damage that fast. If Oswald was a shooter he sure was not alone.
There are other more bazaar conspiracy theories like the holocaust never happened, or Sept 11 never happened, or the president caused Sept 11, that is just ridiculous.

All the fear mongering pertaining to the authorities becoming dangerous and Gestapo like under the Bush administration has no basis of foundation. there was no more abusive a department of justice that Janet Reno’s ,I haven’t heard of john Ashcroft ordering the killing of people in unjustified raids, why did Reno kill Koresh…what did he do? What about sending a swat team in to take that Gonzalez kid at gunpoint did you like the picture of a terrified child with an mp5 in his face ….no I can’t say I have seen john ash crofts DOJ behave that irresponsibly just yet
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Liberals also make the mistake of making reference to the Declaration of Independence as law and get it confused with the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence was just our expression of our desire to no longer be under the rule of the opressive and insane King George III. The US Constitution is the law.



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Our government has allowed a corporation to sell HIV infected blood medical supplies to other nations which ended up treating people with that same product and caused the spread of AIDs on a global scale. Not one of those involved on the US end of it is in jail or has been to court, and they wouldn't allow such a thing?



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#182 by Citizen Geoffrey Montgomery - 9/6/2003 3:40:59 PM My biggest issue with him is the Patriot Act.


Well if your a pakastani cab driver living in NY you might worry about it.
American citizens need not be concerned.
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I really can't see the difference between saying that 9/11 was conspiracy carried out by both the Bush administration and the Israeli government and saying that the holocaust never happened and was story created by the "worldwide Jewish conspiracy".



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All you have to do is look and read....

Make your choices as you will it doesn't matter one iota to me which you make...

The fact remains, the facts are there...

Personally I am registered Indi because of the fact that I hold views of both sides of the two party system.

Both sides have positives about them and both have equally bad parts about them...

Boxing everyone up is really a neat trick both sides use to keep the division going because if there isn't any division then there isn't any party so they end up out of a job, or in a job where they are there because of their merits and not because of some stupid Heard mentality....

boggling



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