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Ok, I want a little help from all of you tech buffs out there. I need to create a computer that is both relatively cheap (under 600 $) but can run all games (excluding maybe supcom) at a good clip and a decent setting.
i.e. I want a really nice gaming computer for cheap. I want to see what you guys recommend so that I can look into it.
on that note, what is the fastest internet connection you guys know of? so far I heard comcast is pretty good.
and if you want to have fun with this, on the off chance I can raise the money, what about a computer for 800$.
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Reply #26 from Sins Forums Top

Intel Pentium D 820 2.86ghz LGA 775 $97.99

I will still recommend atleast a dual core.
Heres a Pentium D vs Core 2 Duo artikel that will explain why.

So why not, if you can, use the extra 83$ to get a dual core

Oh and dont EVER go Celeron, if you want it to be used for gaming
heres a quote from wiki

Celeron is a brand name given by Intel Corp. to a large number of different x86 microprocessor models that they produced and marketed as a budget/value CPU line. The Celeron family complements Intel's higher-performance (and more expensive) product lines (currently Core 2 Duo and formerly Pentium). Introduced in April 1998, the first Celeron was based on the Pentium II core. Later versions were based on the Pentium III, Pentium 4, and Pentium M. These processors are suitable for most applications, but their performance is somewhat limited when it comes to running intense applications, such as cutting edge games or graphical modeling programs, as compared to that of their high-end counterparts.

Celeron


Intel 945g LGA 775, DDR2 667 MicroBTX 240pin $102.99

it seems like a nice motherboard but its only for Pentium D / Pentium 4 HT / Celeron D

Turbo 2GB (2x1Gb) 240pin DDR2 667 $163

are those the PC2 5400 version?
Just remember the number after the PC2 is the transfer of MB per second. So if its 5400. Its 5400mb/s. So the higher the better


Raidmax apex case $49.99

Its the same case as i found. Just with a PSU.

The one you found have:
PSU and cost $49.99

The one i found have:
2 fans and cost $19.99
And the PSU cost $15.99
Thats a total of $35,98 and you get 2 fans
saving $14.01

Reply #27 from Sins Forums Top
he said something about how the processor is going to become obsolete soon anyway (being replaced by physics chips).
so you have any counter recommendations?
Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #28 from Sins Forums Top

he said something about how the processor is going to become obsolete soon anyway (being replaced by physics chips).
so you have any counter recommendations?


Just did a wiki about the "physics chips" sounds nice. But i dont think we will see those, at a reasonable price very soon. Just look at the quad core its almost a 1000 bucks. And when theys new processors are comming out. They will surtenly be very pricy for a long time.
Reply #29 from Sins Forums Top
And what i dont get. Is why the processor companys will do the physic calculations. When the grafic card companys is about to do the same
Reply #30 from Sins Forums Top
I think the graphics card is getting too big, won't be able to handle much more.
so a completely dedicated card makes sense.
Reply #31 from Sins Forums Top

I would get a Core 2 Duo CPU and mobo (maybe one that supports quad core).  Get the low-end Core 2 chip (I believe it's the 1.84GHz one) for now, that way you can upgrade the CPU later when you have a bit of extra cash.  You will want this capability as more and more games are taking advantage of multithread/core CPUs.

Don't bother with holding out for physics coprocessors, there's only one card on the market currently and it runs around $250 and most games don't use it yet.  Plus, even if they do become more common, you'll still want a good CPU.  Having a physics card to offload those calculations leaves the CPU free to do things like AI work and other processor intensive tasks.

 

Reply #32 from Sins Forums Top

I would get a Core 2 Duo CPU and mobo (maybe one that supports quad core). Get the low-end Core 2 chip (I believe it's the 1.84GHz one) for now, that way you can upgrade the CPU later when you have a bit of extra cash. You will want this capability as more and more games are taking advantage of multithread/core CPUs.


Don't bother with holding out for physics coprocessors, there's only one card on the market currently and it runs around $250 and most games don't use it yet. Plus, even if they do become more common, you'll still want a good CPU. Having a physics card to offload those calculations leaves the CPU free to do things like AI work and other processor intensive tasks.





yep, the one i posted
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6300 - Retail

And schem, to get the price a bit down you could start out with just 1gb of memory.

But a dual core is a must. Specialy when you said that you wanted to play subcom

Oh and zoomba, you know if SoaSE will take advantage of more cores?
Reply #33 from Sins Forums Top
yeah, physics cards are rarely used at the moment, and won't see a great market in the near future. Ageia's card support a whopping 7 pc games.
http://www.ageia.com/physx/titles.html
Reply #34 from Sins Forums Top
another thing...
are these things compatable?
Reply #35 from Sins Forums Top
Intel Pentium D 820 2.86ghz LGA 775

this thing says a dual core...
so I should buy the other one because its better in which way?


Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
nearly 200$
Intel Pentium D 820 Smithfield 2.8GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
nearly 100$

aside from "it costs 100 dollars more" what makes the former the better?
they do both say duo, and looking at the specs I see only a few differences (I wont say small)
Reply #36 from Sins Forums Top
mobo

mobo?

(sorry for the triple posts... its easier for me)
Reply #37 from Sins Forums Top
*Edit*

Actually they are both dual, damn name miss lead me.
Reply #38 from Sins Forums Top
To me, the second one isn't a true dual core. It looks like its one of the ones they put in my dads pc. Notice its just Intel Pentium D, not dual core. Yet the review says it be dual. This thing confuses me.
Reply #39 from Sins Forums Top
the second one has 50% more GHz though...
I'm so confused...
I really want a concrete answer
Reply #40 from Sins Forums Top
mobo = motherboard
Reply #41 from Sins Forums Top

the second one has 50% more GHz though...
I'm so confused...
I really want a concrete answer


wuuaaa, you changed name. Now im confused
But did you look at my above post?
The Pentium D vs Core 2 Duo artiCel

Looky here:

Blue Penteim D Red The New Dual core
Thats about 50% faster

The Pentium D is a dual core. But it was one of the first dual core out there from intel. As the artiCel says, the pentium D wasent a big step in speed.

The new dual core (duo) also has a new way of handeling Cache memory.
On older machines, like the pentium D got there own cache. Like 2x1mb = 2mb total. But if one of the cores wasent working, it didnt get the other cores cache and then it was wasting 1mb of cache, and have to ask the main memory for new stuff to work with.

The new dual core duo, has 4mb cache in total (depends on what CPU you get) so if one of the cores isent needed. The working one got 4mb to work with, before asking the main memory for new information.

An image that will explain it abit more
Reply #42 from Sins Forums Top
so one holds more memory but works slower unless both cores are utilized...
Reply #43 from Sins Forums Top
Intel's Core 2 Duo chips are faster due to architectural improvements, for the most part, not so much from being dual core, which is why they spank Pentium Ds (also dual core). The Pentium 4/D series was designed to achieve huge clock speeds, but they don't actually get much done in each cycle. Core Duos have lower speeds, but get more done per cycle, like AMDs chips do. They also have improvements such as 128-bit SSE, which AMD has yet to match (this is one of the sources of Intel's current performance edge).

On the subject of PSUs, it is very rarely worthwhile to buy a cheapie. The PSU is actually one of the most important parts of your machine, and buying a poor one can lead to instability, shorter component lifetime, and potential early failure (and in the case of cheap ones, they don't often have the extra features to prevent them from taking your other parts with them when they go).

Most generally, included-with-case PSUs are cheapies, and are not to be trusted with any sort of demanding or costly components. Save up a little more cash and buy one separately.

In looking for a PSU, always closely check that is has strong amperage on the 12v rail(s), as this is the most-used voltage in modern systems. A good PSU should have very little discrepancy between the actual voltages, and the levels they should be, and should stay solidly there rather than bouncing around. Overvoltage and short protection are also very good things to have.

You can't generally tell online, but there's also a positive correlation between weight and quality of a PSU. Heavier models are generally made with more robust transformers, which is always a good thing.
Reply #44 from Sins Forums Top
well the wasted as i said is wrong. It can still use the other cache (look at the right side of the image) but it has to go through the FSB and makes it slower = Pentium D.

Look at the left side of the image. If one of the cores needs more cache memory it can just use what the other core doesnt need. They are sharing the same cache with is faster = dual core duo.

And the dual core duo E6300 1.86ghz can be overclocked to about 3.06ghz. (differs from CPU to CPU) some might go abit higher and others will go a bit lower.

And there "might" be other technology the duel core duo have, that im not aware of yet.

Comparing the Pentium D with the Dual core duo. is like comparing your 7 year old pc with my 4year old one.

Yours:
ntel Celeron CPU
1400 MHz

Mine:
Intel Pentium 4 3ghz HT (hyperthreading)
Reply #45 from Sins Forums Top
Intel's Core 2 Duo chips are faster due to architectural improvements, for the most part, not so much from being dual core, which is why they spank Pentium Ds (also dual core). The Pentium 4/D series was designed to achieve huge clock speeds, but they don't actually get much done in each cycle. Core Duos have lower speeds, but get more done per cycle, like AMDs chips do. They also have improvements such as 128-bit SSE, which AMD has yet to match (this is one of the sources of Intel's current performance edge).


aah thank you, forgot about that
On the subject of PSUs, it is very rarely worthwhile to buy a cheapie. The PSU is actually one of the most important parts of your machine, and buying a poor one can lead to instability, shorter component lifetime, and potential early failure (and in the case of cheap ones, they don't often have the extra features to prevent them from taking your other parts with them when they go).

Most generally, included-with-case PSUs are cheapies, and are not to be trusted with any sort of demanding or costly components. Save up a little more cash and buy one separately.

In looking for a PSU, always closely check that is has strong amperage on the 12v rail(s), as this is the most-used voltage in modern systems. A good PSU should have very little discrepancy between the actual voltages, and the levels they should be, and should stay solidly there rather than bouncing around. Overvoltage and short protection are also very good things to have.

You can't generally tell online, but there's also a positive correlation between weight and quality of a PSU. Heavier models are generally made with more robust transformers, which is always a good thing.


then i guess im one of the unlucky once, to get a expensiv PSU that broke kinda fast
Reply #46 from Sins Forums Top
Intel's Core 2 Duo chips are faster due to architectural improvements, for the most part, not so much from being dual core, which is why they spank Pentium Ds (also dual core). The Pentium 4/D series was designed to achieve huge clock speeds, but they don't actually get much done in each cycle. Core Duos have lower speeds, but get more done per cycle, like AMDs chips do. They also have improvements such as 128-bit SSE, which AMD has yet to match (this is one of the sources of Intel's current performance edge).

On the subject of PSUs, it is very rarely worthwhile to buy a cheapie. The PSU is actually one of the most important parts of your machine, and buying a poor one can lead to instability, shorter component lifetime, and potential early failure (and in the case of cheap ones, they don't often have the extra features to prevent them from taking your other parts with them when they go).

Most generally, included-with-case PSUs are cheapies, and are not to be trusted with any sort of demanding or costly components. Save up a little more cash and buy one separately.

In looking for a PSU, always closely check that is has strong amperage on the 12v rail(s), as this is the most-used voltage in modern systems. A good PSU should have very little discrepancy between the actual voltages, and the levels they should be, and should stay solidly there rather than bouncing around. Overvoltage and short protection are also very good things to have.

You can't generally tell online, but there's also a positive correlation between weight and quality of a PSU. Heavier models are generally made with more robust transformers, which is always a good thing.

AGH I DONT SPEAK LATIN!!!   (admits patheticness)1
I just wish somebody could put things out simply. what would be a good set of parts I could get for around 800$? (I thank you multi and others, but I want more than 1 recommendation, preferable kryo would be a nice source)
Comparing the Pentium D with the Dual core duo. is like comparing your 7 year old pc with my 4year old one

oh thanks...
ok so I understand which rules, but I still need to know about other parts...
and its not exactly like my wallet is of infinite depth...

better yet, kryo... buy me a computer and place it in for tax deduction as a buisness expense (a design consultant, i.e. I play the beta) and I'll pay you back   
Reply #47 from Sins Forums Top
better yet, kryo... buy me a computer and place it in for tax deduction as a buisness expense (a design consultant, i.e. I play the beta) and I'll pay you back


hmm that gives me an idea. My brother just started his own company hmm. Gotta speak with him. In denmark you can save 25% called moms

But ill see if i can put toghter a better one tomorrow for ya. And "maybe" more then one set
Reply #48 from Sins Forums Top
then i guess im one of the unlucky once, to get a expensiv PSU that broke kinda fast


Any PSU can fail, it's true. Same goes for any part. But a good one won't damage anything else when it dies, so you can just RMA it and go on. Or you could have a cheapie like someone I know did--it actually burst into flames when it failed.
Reply #49 from Sins Forums Top
but at least it was an epic end.
Reply #50 from Sins Forums Top
ok, I think I know what dual core to get...
but what was that about not buying a PSU with box? if so what should I buy in place?
I know that multi has the 20$ one... but I dont know how high to go and/or which one to get. (I'm trying to keep a budget here, remember)