Nope everything will be Intel once the new one comes out in August.

Yep, even an Apple store clerk in behind-the-times, backwater Tasmania (the arse end of the world to many Oz mainlanders) told me that. However, he did say that the G5 will remain in production for a wee while longer, presumably to move surplus stock or something....but it's certainly not a long term thing, given Apples success with Intel based machines.

Okay, there are a few purists who don't like them, but the Intel transition has created a whole new market for Mac based computing....and sooner or later, even the G series fanboys/purists will have to concede if they want to keep up with the times, cos there won't be any G's available.

Oh, and lolapoa, I have a neighbour who does freelance magazine/TV work on his custom built PC - P4 3.6, 4 gigs RAM, Gigabyte mobo, XP Pro - and he claims to never having had a freeze-up/crash, etc while doing intensive DVD/graphics work on it...something he says is not the case with his standard G4 Mac, which he says has frozen on occasion doing the exact same thing.

This isn't to say Mac isn't good gear, but that in the hands of an experienced user, his PC performs admirably, better than his Mac. So I guess it comes down to the user in the end, what is required of the machine. The bottom line then, is that both formats have their strengths and weaknesses, and if a user works with those strengths but within the limitations of their machine, they are going to get the best from it, be it a Mac or a PC, whatever.

how much ram did the g4 had, and as i stated before, i do concurr that the g4 is out dated, im not a G fan, and what iv'e heard round here is that tha quad will stay for a pretty long while,and well, as i stated an do cuncurr as well with u, the user is the final touch, as i told the example of idvd, and that's a common issue for that app...but maybe when the mac froze it was cus the computer stayed without resources? as i did state before, a mac freezez either cus it ran out of resources for apps and the paging was too much to handle,or the app is corrupted, or a file is corrupted, mac stores offer anti virus cus they dont sell it, there is less than 100 virus for osx including troyans...so i guess theres no point right...
And mac pro is still a rumor wait and see, wait and see, for all i know im still waiting for the iphone, oh and the 6 gen ipod with touch screen.

The mac Pro is not a rumor, Apple announced not to long ago that it would be out in 2007. Anyway, with the iMac I'm getting (for free) I will get a ram upgrade (mainly so games are better).

(for free)

From where?

games

Good luck finding some good ones.

well meowy, i bet my mac runs flight sim way better, performance and graph talking, in my MBP with the standard specs thet ur pc with the standard specs, and if mine had ur specs (soon, sooon enough) it would def. run it better

Well lots of places give u free i macs, ipods and other stuff.

OH and btw, why are u such a anti mac dude, i mean come on,as i said, pc is as good, but in my opinion macs are better on some points and pc's in others,and well, i think u dont use pc for what is meant to, above multiedia, buisness its is main use, and at least in a big company, they fresh install every 6 months the pc's, and its a recommended by lots of buisness support companys. If u are such a pc zealot u should know that.
I like pc, that's why my second battle computer is a HP, but never the less i hate that vista will not run properly oin it cus it uses intel integrated graph with 128 shared memory and it doesnt seem enough for vista, u know? that is why i have such ressentment to microsteal right now, i bought it 6 months ago, and the vcard will not do the job as good as a 6 month old pc, and well, i have a g3 ibook and runs OSX great, as someone stated before, microsoft kind of pairs with harware company to make that,what will happen with my hp? it will run slow as hell, oh and wait i CANT change the vcard cus its integrated to the mother board!!! in any case i will have to buy an external one, even though i can change my MBP one anytime cus its not integrates to the mother board, oh and recon why macbook can run osx fairly well on a 64 mb shared intel integrated vcard and a 128 vcard will not run vista as fast as it should! that's my point and i hate it, 2,000 on the trash!!!

I'm getting it for free from the make a wish foundation. I cace you haven't heard I had a brain tumor. And They are getting me a couple of games with it like Unreal Tournament (universal), Halo (powerpc but it apparently runs ok) and Call of duty 2 (universal).

and at least in a big company, they fresh install every 6 months the pc's, and its a recommended by lots of buisness support companys

Not sure where this information comes from, but I have a couple of friends who are network engineers (with all MS certifications) and this is not what they do.

They use images on the server to restore drives if needed, and do not perform clean installs unless it is a new machine. The machines are used for as long as possible, usually about 3 years with some memory, graphics, NIC card, and hard drive upgrades (and the occasional monitor).

As far as purchasing a PC, the best idea is to research the machines, and then pick one that you can upgrade in the future (which of course rules out purchasing a machine with onboard graphics if you plan to use it for long).

I'm getting it for free from the make a wish foundation

That's great, Tominated.

The iMac's I saw, 17" and 20" at the local Apple store here in Seattle, were really nice machines. I hope you enjoy it.

why are u such a anti mac dude

I'm not. I have owned a mac before.

I'm getting it for free from the make a wish foundation.

i have a g3 ibook and runs OSX great,

Are you kidding me? I had one, and the performance was dismal! I did everything possible to make it faster but no go.

fresh install

I only do it when I have to. I don't do it very often. Last time I seemed to screw something up so it wouldnt boot XP...

Vista

Mine runs it fine. I custom- built my pc (which you cant do easily with macs btw) and there is no integrated stuff, just hard-core performace. My old video card, crappy Nvidia 5200 ran Vista like a dream. My new 6200 runs Vista so well I can't explain.


Maybe I should install MS Flight Sim 2004 to see how it goes. I know the framerate key

This is a screenshot of my desktop https://www.wincustomize.com/Preview.aspx?Source=FuzzyLogic/screenshots/16731.jpg Thought I'd post it cause the wall is a screenshot from UT2004 running at 1280x1024, 4xAA and all the goodies turned on. You'll note the framerate top right   Show me a mac that can run with those settings at 400+ fps...

So I guess it comes down to the user in the end, what is required of the machine.

Indeed. I've learned to simply not listen to people who go: "Oh well I've never had a problem with my PC/Mac but when I used a PC/Mac, it crashed one billion times in a second." I've had problems with PCs. I've had problems with Macs. That said, I love my Mac and would never replace it with a PC.

I've had problems with PCs. I've had problems with Macs. That said, I love my Mac and would never replace it with a PC.

I personally like the Mac Better. But MS pays my salary, so I will use their products until I retire.

And we await the benovelence of Dr. Dev's Return!

Well, FPS run different in a mac than in a pc, its completely diferent...whatever. as i stated most LAPTOPS, pc based use intel on board graphics, and personally having the "best one" (128mb shared memory) ran vista like crap, and i bought it for over 2,000 and 2 months ago, runs fine, nice gadgets and all, overall performance fine, but tell my how am i gonna update it to vista if the Vcard shows low for it? that's my fear, and yes, i like windows,i dont hate it at all, specially the home made media center that controls all my living room, but still i hate the idea my recent laptop will not be fit to run vista even though it doesnt have a year makes me sick.

I dont know what gen ur ibook was, but mine wast the last gen made of g3 (anyone can say "clearance" and my PB fell off my backpack into the stairs, nasty i know, better quality bag needed indeed)runs pretty nice and smooth, its not a porsche or else, but as u said before, g4 would be like a pIII (true indeed)that would make g3 a pII or near, and i honestly dont think a PII runs as smooth XP as my g3 ran OSX.

And in my experience, lots of company's have had important impacts due to MS lack of security and response, name the blaster, prodigy got it (largest internet supplier in mexico, part of telmex) and i didint have proper internet speed in over 4 days, as well as certain banks and one tec college,and i know for sure that usually some workstation has a problem that ends up on fresh intstalling something, even though its most of the time from spyware and stuff, which OK its a thing users may avoid, but are tons out there, something osx barely has, and even though the end-user is the one allowing, not every person is a tech guy and knows how to respond.KA-CHAO,

I like windows, but it will never replace my need for mac

go away.

as i stated most LAPTOPS, pc based use intel on board graphics, and personally having the "best one" (128mb shared memory) ran vista like crap, and i bought it for over 2,000 and 2 months ago, runs fine, nice gadgets and all, overall performance fine, but tell my how am i gonna update it to vista if the Vcard shows low for it? that's my fear, and yes, i like windows,i dont hate it at all, specially the home made media center that controls all my living room, but still i hate the idea my recent laptop will not be fit to run vista even though it doesnt have a year makes me sick.

What in the heck are you talking about here? I run Vista with Aero effects enabled on a 64meg Nvidia 6200 card without issue, loss of performance or speed, etc....when enabled, even my on-board 32meg Nvidia card will run it, tho not as effectively. Point is, there's too much hullabaloo (and you've fallen for it, thus contributing) that Vista requires only top of the range graphics cards, when in actual fact it happily runs on mid-range cards and quite adequately on some lower-end cards.

Vista's analysis of my system rates my card at the lower end at 2.5, but it still runs all the 'eye candy' without real loss to system performance....so your trashing PC's, Vista on that basis just isn't going to wash with the majority, given your pro Mac, anti-PC sentiments here.

We get it, you like Mac...but you're going way over the top with all too frequent and unnecessary snipes at PC's/Windows....all this 'my Mac can do all this and that so much better, but your PC can't' has become quite tiresome....

Stand back this is a long comment

I had (and still have) a PC sitting not 4 metres or so behind me.

I got my first mac in June (MacBook Pro YAY!). It is the most reliable machine I have used to date, but I am not saying OSX is superior.

OSX provides the user with an enormous level of CONVENIENCE. Evrything about OSX seems more convenient than XP.

After starting to miss small things like full emoticon support on my messengers, I started to use Parallels (like VPC only better ).
The main problem is GAMES! I love playing games which is one of the few things that the macs do not have to the same extent. Now I use boot camp to run windows and I am as happy as can be. It is much better than any PC i have ever used.

PV vs Mac does not mean Windows vs OSX.

Oh and for people who dont like the Mac adverts cos they "dont use Macs", maybe you should listen to the peeps who use both (and not some old little apple machine that almost falls into the trash by itself)

lolapoa:  I will say this only once.

You, sir, are an idiot.

Please just stop making that point even more obvious.  The only one you are hurting with your illiterate rants is yourself.  You have lost any and all credibility due to your faulty use of details and your inability to see beyond the tip of your nose. 

In the beginning, this was a humorous and lighthearted post (I know because I posted it) poking fun at what I believe to be a lame ad campaign.  As I persumed it would, it spiralled out of control as people felt the need to "educate" the misguided masses.

Just like Apple's weak (and dishonest) ad campaign, you really aren't going to change anyone's mind, unless it is about the quality of education you may or may not have gained. 

So stop.  Just stop.  I am embarrased for you, and I doubt I am alone.

And we await the benovelence of Dr. Dev's Return!

Just for you Dr. Guy.

ok ok, yeesh, give a guy a break

I admit the adverts and the alternative you found is amusing and therefore i shall say no more

ok ok, yeesh, give a guy a break

I will gladly give the guy a break when he chooses to demonstrate a modicum of common sense.

demonstrate a modicum of common sense.

'common sense' is really not all that common.

It's actually an absurd phrase....

How true, Jafo...common sense can't be bought in stores, found growing on trees or discarded on the local tip...so generally, those without never actually acquire it.

Here's one for ya...yet another smug Mac ad... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7919991136779006253 ...one that begins the words: Re-introducing the Real Windows Vista.

It begins with a Vista-like GUI, but naturally goes on to slam Vista whilst lauding the virtues of OS-X (complete with running commentary from smug little prick).

I want to own a Mac, and I'm going to, but what if turning it on activates the smug gene and I become one of those arrogant Mac zealots who lives, breathes and shits Mac...has Steve Jobs on their Christmas card list. Heaven forbid, that I could end up spending sleepless nights counting iMacs jumping over angelic clouds to drift off into the land of nod

starkers, your link has an error, there's a period at the end which needs to be deleted, then it's ok

starkers, your link has an error, there's a period at the end which needs to be deleted, then it's ok

Tried to fix it but got message to say I'm not authorized to edit comment. Hopefully Jafo will be able to do so for me.

I fixed it.  The link works now.

 

On the graphics side..

1. MacBooks have integrated graphics also.
2. I ran Vista with full Aero and effects on a GeForce 5200 fine. I do have a 6200 now, mostly for gaming.

Lolapoa, just stop and get on with life.

Steve Jobs on their Christmas card list.

Hehe.