Skin Rating Solution

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Why does a moderator have to rate a skin at all? Why shouldn't the community decide the rating of a particular piece of artwork. Clearly, a moderator has artistic qualifications that they apply to a skin that will probably be a lot higher than the general public. If a skin passes moderation then let the community decide the rating should be for that skin. This will solve any rating bias or "politics" that an artist feels has been applied to his or her work by an administrator or moderator. And, if no one rates the skin, then it can say that this piece has not yet been rated. And, no ones feelings get hurt this way. I'm sure that an artist can figure out why his skin was rated the way it was, by the communities comments in the skin comments. Just a thought for something that seems to be growing in a negative way regarding the rating system.
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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Do you know how the current system works?

Reply #2 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm guessing not.
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Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top
ahhhh........don't we have a thread on 'duh'........?????



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Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top
This was a waste of space
Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top
If you have the time, check out 10 pieces from each section and I'll bet most only have the moderator rating. A smaller percentage will have 1 or 2 additionat ratings. Damm few will have more. Most people don't rate just say how nice it is. If more people rated then you would get a more accurate rating.



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Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Chas...the way the current rating system works there is no way that 'politics' can affect the rating system at all....an 'admin' or 'moderator' has one chance to post a rating, just like any other site member who can also rate. Proof that 'politics' never enters into the equation is that even from time to time when a person slips off the rails and becomes somewhat 'obnoxious' towards the site and/or its administration his works are still approved [or not]....rather than just rejected out of hand.

"politics' would more easily have the person removed from the site....and you'll agree that in reality those that have been removed clearly justified their removal...eg the Scott Sproats of this world.

Politics in ratings is not an issue....what WAS an issue was 'certain' individuals cheating the [old] system, including exploiting an old 'bug' and rating their own works...[yes, it's sad]...but all that is solved, which is clearly evident by the improved dynamics/transience of the Top Authors listing...

Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top
solution: no more rating
Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
#7 by Jafo: Politics in ratings is not an issue....what WAS an issue was 'certain' individuals cheating the [old] system, including exploiting an old 'bug' and rating their own works...[yes, it's sad]...but all that is solved, which is clearly evident by the improved dynamics/transience of the Top Authors listing...

Hmm. We have friends and family who are customers of this site and though we don't know if they rate us we'd think that would be kind of cheating. Wouldn't it? And how does one rate themselves?
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Sometimes, I rate myself a 10
Then I wake up
Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top

e-bros...the self-rating 'bug' was squashed a long time ago....but the evidence still exists on some of the works...and remains an eye-opener for those who have seen it/them.

As for 'friends'....provided they have rating access..and do not 'blindly' prejudice the issue and give reasonable critique via the rating then well and good....but either way, as long as more people rate a piece a 'real' average reflecting a work's qualities will emerge...

Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Well it seems the old same thing here to me. Make fun of people who propose an idea (responses #1 - #5) and try to change the issue to something else, like problems with the old system which you say has been fixed. How does a fixed problem in the past address my current question?

So, why do moderators have to rate a skin or wallpaper at all? Let the community do it. That question still hasn't been answered.
Reply #14 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Because moderators are members of this same community.

Next question?....

Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
As for 'politics' of a moderator....if that is an issue, how about the 'politics' of a public individual? Explain the difference.
Reply #16 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Chas I appreciate people making suggestions and ratings has been a contentious issue since the site went up. We've changed the system several times to address user input and try to make it more acceptable. The problem with your idea is we can't have pieces that aren't rated for a few reasons;

1- The ratings are used for sorting, anything without a rating would be either invisible or at the end of the section.

2- Very few people leave ratings. There's a good probability under your idea that most submissions would never get rated.

So maybe a better idea would be to just have an admin rating and no user ratings. Or maybe have two rating categories, site rating and user rating (like Deskmod does)

Personally I don't care for ratings either but I don't know of any skins site that doesn't have them. When you have a huge database of individual works it's a necessity.

Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Let's see... How does nonesense like this start again? Start a thread, do not check the facts first, imply there is intentional misconduct, lately "politics" is trendy, hide the bomb with a smiley, make sure you mention the "community" and don't forget feelings, etc., etc., etc. Sigh.
Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Damn it, Matthijs...."political bombs within the ratings community are hurting feelings and moderators are evil"........[did I get all the key-words?]...
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Reply #20 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Hi

Do you think it is funny making ChasUGC look like ignorant?

ChasUGC has make a suggestion with good will, it is obvious that he doesn't know exactly all the facts, but as he said "Make fun of people who propose an idea" is not a good idea!

I am sorry about it ChasUGC and the rest of you people who I am sure that you didn't intent to do it, but you did it again

People are avoiding to post in threads and make propositions because of this kind of laughs etc so they end up with the thought, "who cares!", why should I?
Reply #21 from WinCustomize Forums Top
An example of a good answer is #16 by DavidK

Reply #22 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Adni, I don't have a problem with new ideas. I have a problem with the way these "new" ideas are brought.

The way ratings actually work isn't even important. That's why Frogboys asks his question in post #1.

If I see a word like "political" then one can either ignore this like DavidK is doing in post #16 or one can use Jafo's method in post #7 and try to defend the honesty of admins for the millionth time.

Or you can use my method and laugh about the "politics".

Becoming angry about it doesn't help. Next week we see another thread like this. Because nobody is ever satisfied. Even if ratings are removed someone will start a thread why there aren't ratings.

Adni, of course you know better than anyone else that there are no politics in moderation, no hidden agendas and no conspiracies against skinners. You have been in these discussions before.
Reply #23 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I would trust the moderators to rate my work over some who might be trying to manipulate the ratings.If moderator ratings determined visibility my wb might still be available to the public.I like most of my fellow skinners but I dont trust all of them.
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Reply #25 from WinCustomize Forums Top
#22 by MadIce
"Adni, of course you know better than anyone else that there are no politics in moderation, no hidden agendas and no conspiracies against skinners. You have been in these discussions before".

Oh yes Matthijs, I maybe know better than anyone some things, but not the ones you have mention.
And yes, I have seen this movie before and now that I am thinking about it, I didn't like it at all

But I still care about WC and love the majority of WC community