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Skin Rating Solution

Skin Rating Solution

Why does a moderator have to rate a skin at all? Why shouldn't the community decide the rating of a particular piece of artwork. Clearly, a moderator has artistic qualifications that they apply to a skin that will probably be a lot higher than the general public. If a skin passes moderation then let the community decide the rating should be for that skin. This will solve any rating bias or "politics" that an artist feels has been applied to his or her work by an administrator or moderator. And, if no one rates the skin, then it can say that this piece has not yet been rated. And, no ones feelings get hurt this way. I'm sure that an artist can figure out why his skin was rated the way it was, by the communities comments in the skin comments. Just a thought for something that seems to be growing in a negative way regarding the rating system.
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Reply #26 Top

It's true that moderators are the safest way to have your work rated. User ratings often are nothing more than a friend trying to make you feel good or an enemy trying to make you feel bad. If someone gets mad at you they'll give you a 1 to drag down your score, likewise, your buddy will give you a 10 to show he's your buddy. Moderators don't do these things, they rate your work in a consistent manner using criteria that makes the consistency of the ratings more meaningful.

It seems like whenever there's ratings discussion it comes from one of two places. One is someone gets rated low after their piece has been up for awhile and they're angry because someone sabotaged their rating so they want ratings abolished (or they just want to talk about it hoping that will make people less likely to do it to others). The best way to deal with this is to contact an admin, not post a message board thread because of the unfortunate tendency for so many members to jump in with their own motives either to slam the poor poster or start their own tirade against the site. 

Which brings us to the other reason, ego. The other most common thread on ratings is anger because someone got a low rating and they want a higher one. If you look at their work and compare with other pieces you'll almost always see their rating was fair, consistent with other pieces that are of similar quality. But these people will start an argument that ratings are political, moderators are in a conspiracy, or various other ridiculous claims because they want a high rating to boast about to their friends even though their work doesn't deserve it. These people try to gather anyone who has a complaint about the site to join them in their cause. These arguments are the worst as they degenerate into insults and foolish demands that when not met are 'proof' that the site is unresponsive to users or 'elitist'. 

With all the tempers and emotions flying around here on a daily basis, I don't see any alternative to having moderators making the ratings. Users often have their own agenda, moderators rate the same way for everyone. You can make an argument that moderators are just users that have been given a title but speaking for the group, we take the title seriously. The crew of moderators here were hand picked over the years because of their art backgrounds and experience in skinning or the community and for their maturity and even-temperedness. We're far from perfect but it could be a lot worse.  

What I would like to see change is the immediate preconceptions that surface every time someone starts a conversation about ratings or any other once-controversial subject. I think it's true that people trying to bring up a subject get attacked or ridiculed on the message board and it seems like there's no open debate possible on a few subjects. That bothers me. Often I'll see a comment start with what I think are good intentions and the next ten responses are just insults or flames because it was assumed the commenter had some previously identified agenda. Let people speak their mind without jumping to conclusions.   

Reply #27 Top
I look through all newer skins (going back some days) here on a daily basis and I seldom found a skin that was rated too low. On the other hand I quite often found skins or walls that I personally considered to be rated too high (even my own ones). Just my honest 2 cents.



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Reply #28 Top
#1 by Scribe Frogboy - 7/22/2003 7:46:02 PM Do you know how the current system works?

Do you


I notice you didn't explain it to him.

#2 by China - 7/22/2003 7:50:24 PM I'm guessing not.


Ditto:

ChasUGC has make a suggestion with good will, it is obvious that he doesn't know exactly all the facts, but as he said "Make fun of people who propose an idea" is not a good idea!


What Adni said!

humm, I wonder if the CEO of say ..McDonalds would have responded to a customer the way Frogboy did?
It reminds me of a parody you might see on Saturday Night Live or Mad TV.
McDonalds has a good product but if their service was insensitive.. would they be as big as they are?

Time for me to go and ponder these and others unanswered questions of life.





Reply #29 Top
I am SO damn glad i do not rate stuff here. But you guys are being prettyy hard on the man that started this thread, ChasUGC.

Now you know why I say this:

Authoriyy sucks! Down with them!
Absolute power corrupts everything!
Reply #30 Top
Authoriyy


Authority (spelling)
Reply #31 Top

Kona....get it right....

Power corrupts.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[That's how it goes]....

Reply #32 Top
That what I was trying to say just could not remember the aying
Reply #33 Top
RISE UP! The revolution is here!

Rage Against the Machine!
Reply #34 Top
#28 by Citizen hashonboat - 7/23/2003 1:48:58 PM I wonder if the CEO of say ..McDonalds would have responded to a customer the way Frogboy did? McDonalds has a good product but if their service was insensitive.. would they be as big as they are?Time for me to go and ponder these and others unanswered questions of life.



McDonalds? Well my first question to you is when the last time you ate at McDonalds. You are lucky you are not deceased because that is a place with no quality control …9 times out of ten your food will have some type of human fluids in it roach parts, rat hairs, and a various assortment of other wonderful things not to mention how unhealthy those processed fatty foods are to begin with. I would say to you consider what type of garbage you are shoveling into your face before you start worrying about the ratings of wallpapers or before you start critiquing people that mean you no harm… O no my friend concern yourself with, and address your dietary crisis first.
Reply #35 Top
I warned you anthony... hey grayhaze where are you?
Reply #36 Top
I don't think he needs your mere mortal assistance Kona....he is born of the Jackal.
Reply #37 Top
ha! you think i am mortal? what a fool. I am more powerfull than you might be led to believe!
Reply #38 Top
The only response that I feel neccessary to dignify is that of DavidK. I truly hope that he is a administator.

First of all, I will squash one attempt to slam me by saying that I am complaining because I got a low rating. I am not complaining because I got a low rating. I get very nice and fair ratings on most of my pieces. The reason I started this thread is because I too have seen unfair ratings and many fellow artists are hurting behind them. When I see admins like Jafo, making fun of artists concerns, it really makes me question his personal problems or personal agendas or his "politics" behind rating a skin. And, I begin to wonder if his "politics" are effecting the community in a negative way.

I do agree with one of the non-flaming responses by Jafo. I do agree that there are "politics" in the community as well, and that is a good point. When I say the term "Politics", some people want to pretend that it is some dreadful thing that is not happening here, and that I am some ignorant person spewing negativity. But, some people realize that this is not the case. I am just concerned for the feelings and fairness towards all my fellow artists.

Politics as Jafo said, are part of the community and part of the admins reaction as well. When a member of the community rates a skin for his friend high, and someone he doesn't like low, that too is politics.

Just like when an admin rates a skin based on his own personal skinning ability or his own personal feeling about a piece of work. Or, when a admin rates a skin by a long time submitter high and similar works lower. This is similar to a art critic rating a work low when the public might actually love it. I have heard of critics of Mozart and Michealangelo being given terrible reviews.

Therefore, it is difficult to rid this community of Politics by Jafo's own admission. He admits that admins and community members participate in this unfair endeavor. And, like DavidK said, I agree that ratings are probably necessary and his reasons were very well taken and read. Thank all of those who have participated in this thread with constructive responses to an issue that concerns many members. I felt it was neccessary to bring it to the table. To those with unconstructive, slamming, and ridiculing responses, I won't dignify them with a reply. And, it is clear that these type of people really hurt an artistic community and the reason it was neccessary to start such a thread as this one. I don't feel it is neccessary to name them, but you know who you are, we know who you are, and you are hurting a very nice artistic community. It is just sad when an administrator has basically become one of them and they rate skins. But, you know who you are, and we know who you are too.
Reply #39 Top
THAT took guts to say chase but be careful you might end up a visitor or exilied because what you said or gonna say is not what "they" want to hear....
Reply #40 Top
THAT took guts to say chase but be careful you might end up a visitor or exilied because what you said or gonna say is not what "they" want to hear....


And that is another reason I keep my mounth shut in front of authority... We are not free to write or bring up just anything here unless they will it most times...
Reply #42 Top
A lot of places where the use of ‘an’ would have been more appropriate then ‘a’...also a couple of fragments that I would consider revising, not to mention misspellings.
Reply #43 Top
I'm sorry Anthony Roberts but, I won't respond to anything non-constructive. I won't participate in personal attacks about anything, especially not regarding the use of "a" instead of "an" or sentence fragments when I'm just typing a topic on a computer message board and not writing a Essay or thesis paper. Attack my ideas where you can or want to, I guess. But, I don't believe you are responsible for your behavior or direction here. And, my next post from another thread regarding this topic will explain why, I don't think you are at fault.
Reply #44 Top
Okay I guess it is time to say something here. I'm sorry for singling out anyone but, I feel it needs to be said.

I read something very positive and constructive in hashonboat's responses and I feel it should be mentioned. I think the rest is not his responsibility but the result of leading examples.

"The reponsibilty for that lies at the top for not directing the community in a more nurturing direction and leading by example." (From Hashonboat)


Then I will quote Jafo's comments which do not lead by example.

"why should we waste our time on ingrates" (not leading by example)

So, artists here who submit free work only for the profit of Stardock are ingrates? Where would Stardock be and Wincoustomize for that matter without these "ingrates"?

"really says a lot for appreciating efforts, their true colours, and whether a person will actually be 'missed' as a valid contributor or just a pain in the butt."

So now, we are a pain in the butt, showing our true colors, for submitting work here for the profit of someone else?

"claiming the sky is falling due to 'Conspiracies R Us' or some such."

You say some of the most constructive and helpful things Jafo.

"Politics is not an issue....you still have a voice here, do you not?"

Another threat from Jafo. One of the many. Not helpful or constructive and definitely not leading by example. It seems to me that he is saying, if you don't like something you better be quiet or we may ban you. A dictatorship community?

"And you, ChasUGC are a superior being, capable of bias-free apolitical, independent and objective valuation....because you are NOT a moderator......what a load of unmitigated crap."

Insult me. Call me names. Say I am full of crap. Am I a superior being? Am I not human? Do I not bleed when cut? Oh Jafo, slash me up. Show this community how to conduct itself. DEFINITELY NOT LEADING BY EXAMPLE.

'Nuff said. But personally Jafo, and I'm sorry I need to say it, but I think you are a great example and explanation for the slashing, slamming and bashing that goes on here. And the reason many artists feel mistreated and leave. People like you, and hopefully you are of the minority of these types of administrators, rate skins with your attitudes spewed here, for all others to read, and you demonstrate as a good leading example of how to treat people and artists of the community.
Reply #45 Top
hey chase, you are not alone....
Reply #46 Top

I think business is about to pick up
Reply #47 Top
I think you all need to give it a break. I know this won't happen. To bad.



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Reply #48 Top
You read way too much into Jafo's words...... 



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Reply #49 Top
This is bloody depressing to one's spirit. Is there not a way to move this thread into a positive and helpful one or is this just gonna be a landslide without any resolve whatsoever?
Reply #50 Top
hell he is lucky jafo even talks to him... jafo usually ignores me!

I am done with all my BS in all the threads.