Quoting systemrooterrr, reply 75 I find it hard to believe no one decided to bring up the actual usable range of these chips. End of systemrooterrr's quote I guess that some guys thought Bell was a nut saying "what's the hell is the point of telephoning a guy in the next room?". Also I am sure in the future they will have scanners at all public buildings doors, shopping malls, stadiums and wherever else the American boogyman can get into. Looks like with the system below, just attach it to the millions of CCTV cameras already tracking us.      TagMobile is the brand name of the RFID Centre active real-time location and tracking system which incorporates both hardware and software in an integrated solution.   TagMobile is a highly configurable system that provides superior indoor positional accuracy to all other systems as it uses patented tri-technology allowing the intelligent tag to ascertain its location with 100% certainty. TagMobile will locate and record the movements of people and objects anywhere within its predefined reader network. It can govern those movements with a system of rules based on associated events and actions such as an asset passing into a particular zone within the building. The following diagram shows TagMobile system architecure within a hospital environment:

http://www.rfidc.com/docs/indoor_rfid_tracking.htm

@jwdR1:

I wouldn't, as a matter of fact, unless you believe becoming ashes, a bar of soap or a lamp shade would constitute "doing well".

I suggest you change that personal insult (by innuendo) quickly. When you know nothing of the person you're dealing with, implying such an association is at best risky, and at worst a TOS violation.

This is not an invitation to debate nor a request: Edit or delete that comment. Just because you don't agree with someone, you have no right to call names. Keep your comments and differences above the ad homineum level.

You insist on attributing that which could save lives to the worst of abuses. You carefully avoid the traffic in human beings, the kidnappings, the unidentifiable remains, the anguish of a sibling or parent for a lost child, the possible solving of crimes all in favor of a postulated "it will definitely be abused".

I see no inevitability in any of it. No one's coming to get you.... unless you've done something?

Being Jewish does not necessarily preclude one from being fascist.   Although I'm not saying YOU are fascist, I am saying that whether you are Jewish or not has nothing to do with it.   Jews fought in the Wehrmacht.  Rudolf Kastner even collaborated with the Nazis and turned in many Hungarian Jews to their deaths.  Playing the race card in an attempt to censor his valid point is equally fallacious an argument as the accusation you are levelling.   He made a sincere, valid point in saying those views which support requiring branding people like cattle make an excellent fit in Nazi Germany. 

 

What is it, then?  An order?   Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not a mod.

The objectionable term was "Nazi".

I did not support "branding". I played no "race card" as you put it. "Nazi" is not a term to be bandied about.

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You stand corrected. I am a Moderator. I also stated this is not an invitation to debate, so please stay out of it.

Oh, it is always entertaining to be controversial, however as much as one likes to attribute a person's actions or opinions to that of some extreme of political or social history there WILL be times when such comment is distinctly unappreciated .... perhaps for VERY GOOD REASON.

Not everyone is as hard-skinned and/or as tolerant as, say, I am.  Perhaps it would be 'nice' if everyone were, but they are not....which is why we have rules of conduct to perhaps minimize personal insult.

Typically this 'insulting' is done through IGNORANCE which, although maybe excusable does not reduce the perception of hurt.

DrJBHL is quite right to be afronted as there is a distinction between "Those comments would have done well in Nazi Germany' vs 'YOU would have..."

The former attacks the opinion...the latter attacks the person.

I trust everyone can see the difference.

What say we ALL get back to the debate of chip/tracking whatever - that which is the OP.

2012 Nazi Germany really?

I cant believe what im reading here your knowledge is based on what ? it´s almost over 70 years from now where the germans surrendered... iam a born german half hungarian .Hungarians went their back on germany during the war and entered the russian army or worked in coal plants not mentioning many of those facility´s collapsed while workers had been still working in there... saying Nazi germany just shows how little you actually know about germany... Germans are good people once you get to know them... germany isnt like it was 65 years ago people are not racists. you can call us cold facetted thats alright but we warm up after a while and show love...or make friends with you.Truly we are not the folks that come up and tell you a joke if we dont know you... its not our style
We have many turkish chinese italien english and us people here we are multi cultural so to say... there is no room for such a statement as you did. Our whole sytem would collapse if it would be like that -there would be war every day on the streets-  but there isnt we are civilised we dont care about skin colors or where you from but we do care on how you behave  how you act and if your able to fit in. If someone would make a statement like you did from germany ...saying Big brother is watching you and most of the lemmings thumbed up not caring and now complaining i would get face smacked in this forum while its half the truth but since the choice doesnt lay in your or our hand i cant make such a statement... neither did the choice lay in Germans hands since there was no democracy it was a diktatorship lead by H himself. Soldiers that did not fallowed the orders simply got killed + the rest of the family so where was the choice... Its not like every german was ok with the situation but they´ve been forced to be ok with it. I must honestly say i hate nazis but more and more i hate any statement including the word nazi in combination with germany in 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!...having a little  background information  is always better than just writing BS that you heard from someone that didnt finish school. Im just writing thbis since i came here to read about the RFID chips but seeing arguments like Nazi Germany is terribly offending me...+ i would gladly show you the finger at this point

Edit: to late Jafo...sorry

No problemo....actually it was remiss of me not to mention the effect such references have on the modern German TOO ...;)

So, thanks...;)

I agree. There is absolutely no correlation between the Germany of today to back then. Rolo, you're a fine fellow and a friend....

Well someone should state the obvious, once you give power to the government they will abuse it. Do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. And dont give me that the US is the enlighten people and these abuses will never happen. Maybe read the entire NDAA law.

 

I am of German decent but I wish to place this video as I think this guy has really done his homework. It does reference the relationship between Hitler and IBM in the beginning so I apologize ahead of time if this offends anyone. It does fit with the OP very well.

 

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqpiE0Qi2XQ 

So...

IBM invented punch cards.....I used them....that's how I started in computers in the 60's.

Barcodes index products...so what?  It simplifies commerce on a MASSIVE scale.

RFID tags  readable barcodes whose first adoption was for theft prevention [shoplifting]  again, so what?

It's a quaint history lesson.....slanted for political end.....

Queue up for your tinfoil hat....oh, by the way...it'll be barcoded for inventory....;p

Only if you abrogate your responsibility to watch them closely.

Spot on.

You want to chip your entire family to protect yourselves from the boogyman and I am the one supposed to wear the tinfoil hat? What a f^%kin joke. People like you that get into positions of power should scare the shit out of everyone.

EDIT: try to imagine what your country would be now if Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were chipped.

No....we want to chip the boogyman so the chase for his balls is made easier.....;p

... and provide some rock spiders for him, too.

I do have to agree with you that child molesters are probably the sickest people on the planet.

1. I would not release them 
2. They would have a huge brand on there forehead if they were released 

I just saved the USG about 10 billion.

Now to save the Americans from the 90 year old female terrorist known as Granny. Maybe your TSA are all wearing those tinfoil hats eh.

I can understand the argument concerning both chipping prisoners and the need to improve the justice system to avoid chipping those that are unjustly accused or unreasonably convicted.

As for the common person, the concern is not about the current tech, but the idea in general. A chip may one day be powerful enough for distance tracking and certainly sensors across all of America would make that distance a non-issue for tracking. And yes, there are many beneficial possibilities involving such chips, including the saving of lives. At the same time, there must be some means for the people to cast off said technologies for their own good. Believe it or not, any phone can be used to listen in on you at any time, even if it appears to be off. It's nothing new and one would be hard pressed to be certain (despite supposed legislation) that organizations such as the CIA do not use said methods.

I am not against technology, but prefer means which have fail safes against improper use. All technologies noted before (vehicle tracking, cell phones, etc.) have said fail safes in the forms of deactivation or abandonment. If a chip becomes voluntary, then I'm content.

Do keep in mind that the world is not safe. It never will be. There are dangers out there magnificent and mundane and we will get a bloody nose every so often venturing out into the world. If we can't handle it, we need to crawl back into bed. If we choose to brave it, it is all too tempting to sacrifice liberty for safety but such a sacrifice threatens to make cowards and, possibly worse, slaves of us all.

why are so many americans so paranoid? the idea that RFID chips would become mandatory is ridiculous. or used to track the populace? haha.

stop listening to alex jones you muppets.

I know plenty of people across the world that are 'paranoid', usually because their country's history justifies it.

It's not that I believe in the slippery slope of 'when you let A happen, B-Z inherently follow', but people should always be mindful of their civil rights. Most Americans are not worried, as they are too cavalier about their First Amendment rights. The truth is that most of the world's population is not granted the same liberty as Western nations. As such, we should be vigilant to preserve it.

@about '666' mark of the beast, the 'lawless one..' When social security numbers first came out, many christers proclaimed, 'mark of the beast.' When scanning bar codes came out (like the one redneckdude uses for an avatar here, LOL), same thing... mark of the beast. Check the history books out, many, many many times in the past, people have been convinced something going on in their era was the mark of the beast. Martin Luther was convinced the Papacy was the beast... '666' is NOT the only number in some of the earliest (oldest) manuscripts of the 'Revelation.' '626' appears in stead of 666 in many of these older manuscripts. Interesting thing is, since Arabic numerals were not used by the Greeko-roman world at this time, the traditional approach of using letters for numbers continued. Hebrew has no vowels in the text (uses vowel points, sometimes, instead), so reading the modern translation of the numbers back into letters we get tarsus... the name of the town Tarsus, from which the lawless one came, one Saul of Tarsus: a man who was obsessively opposed to any use of the Law given at Mt. Sinai - the lawless one. Do we really want to play games with obscure and ambiguous texts? I sure don't. @about the new tagging chips: I don't want to be tagged like a doe during dear hunting season. I suppose tagging every human could bring us together in new ways. My friends and I will get the same spam / ads at the same time... and finally have something in common to talk about...

I can't wait for the day I could surf the web using my brain. Can't wait for the day I can search without people knowing. 

hehe, I cant wait till I can point my tricorder at people that surf with their brain and shut them off. 

Txtng while Drvng is bad enough. Image all the dumb asses surfing porn with their brain while driving. 

Gives a new meaning to driving stick.