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FDA approves computer chip for humans (screw this)

FDA approves computer chip for humans (screw this)

People who get this are dumb as dirt...


It's official. The FDA has approved the RFID chip for use in humans. Up till now it was only for use in pets and by a few very paranoid people who have had their kids chipped in case they get snatched. There have also been a few CEO's and other corporate types who have had the chip implanted as it's being used for electronic locks in some buildings. Here's the article on MSNBC.

FDA approves computer chip for humans

I'm sorry but there's no way in hell I'd get one of these. How many things have the FDA approved only to later find out they cause cancer or birth defects? Lots of things. How do they know the weak signals put off by the chip won't cause cancer ten or twenty years down the road? They don't, because they haven't done long term studies of that time-frame.

Apparently President Bush even had/has a ten year plan to get the majority of the US population implanted with these god awful little things. Here's a quote:

" The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services on Wednesday announced $139 million in grants to help make real President Bush’s push for electronic health records for most Americans within a decade. "

Medical records aren't stored on the chip its-self, but rather on a so called "secure" server. Here's a bit of truth for you. There's NO SUCH THING as a "Secure" server. If it's physically connected to the internet then it's possible it can be hacked, period. Just like with Sony and their violations of the consumer code that states a customers credit information should NEVER be stored on a server connected to the web. Instead customer information, credit card numbers and passwords, should be on a server that's NOT connected to the web except for when a customer makes a transaction. If Sony would have followed these laws they never would have lost people's credit information.

The other main concern is this chip DOES allow the person who has been chipped to be tracked at all times. Good luck trying to hide if you ever needed to. Now, one could argue that if you don't do anything wrong there's no reason for you to care whether or not you can be tracked by satellite. Well, Fuck That!!! I don't want uncle sam or some corporate douchebag being able to see where I am at every second of the day because I've been tagged like some cattle.

Either way, this type of future is now coming whether we want it or not. Eventually it will get to the point where you won't be able to live in our society without being chipped. If this goes over well you really think they won't decide to start doing transactions with it or start using it to access banking? Think again, because it WILL happen. Mark my words. It won't be over-night and it may take a decade, but if the next generation of kids is brought up to think being chipped is normal, in only two generations time every person in the US and eventually the civilized world will have one of these little bastards implanted into them.

Fear the future....Fight for your Privacy. Because if you don't, you won't have any. Just as our rights are being taken away with every new law passed. Just as the freedom of the internet is being taken away by corporate douchebags who want to make more money. Soon, there will be no freedom or privacy at all and no-one will care. That's not a future I want to be a part of....

 

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Reply #51 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 5
Me? I'm gonna need one of them pretty darned soon, RavenX. 

Seriously, though: How about dangerous criminals?

How about the kiddy molesters? How about one of those RFID chips that detonates if they get close to a school or playground?

Anyone but one of them gonna vote against that?
End of DrJBHL's quote

 

I would vote against it...

Kill the dangerous criminals and child molesters.

Neither can be reformed so why spend the resource on them. Just get rid of em and be done with it.

 

Reply #52 Top

Quoting NotGonaTellYa, reply 51
Kill the dangerous criminals and child molesters.
End of NotGonaTellYa's quote

Again, the problem is that our system often fails to discern true danger from technicalities.

And if you're going to put the chip into people, at least make it dermal on kids, with their parent's permission and completely voluntary at 18 or 21 or whatever for all adults to have in or out. That way at least people can choose to make their own bed.

Reply #53 Top

Quoting Draakjacht, reply 52
... And if you're going to put the chip into people...
End of Draakjacht's quote

Have more interest in the other way, put people in computer chip... i am becoming older and it can be a way to immortality !!! Best to stay alive on a computer chip in a robot body that be dead being eat by worm... 

Reply #54 Top

Although some like that idea for the obvious reasons, one would have to ask a couple questions. One: Is going so far against the grain of nature actually an 'improvement' on humanity or is it just deforming the basics of what we are? Two: Can the human psyche actually handle the extended life that computers offer?

Keep in mind, that would extend your life, but something would degrade and you will eventually die, probably after a prolonged period of psychosis brought on by data loss.

Reply #56 Top

"And the one ring to rule them all"

Reply #57 Top

Quoting tetleytea, reply 55
The FDA already approved chip implants back in 2004
End of tetleytea's quote

And for all we know, have been a component of every "Govt Issue" flu shot ever since. :-"

*you were probably wondering why those door scanners keep going off at every store you go to.

Reply #58 Top

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 57
And for all we know, have been a component of every "Govt Issue" flu shot ever since.
End of Wizard1956's quote

It's funny you say that cause I never get flu shots. One might argue that makes me look paranoid.

Reply #59 Top

You know how the saying goes:   it's not paranoia if people really are out trying to get you.

Reply #60 Top

Quoting Jafo, reply 42
Chips should be compulsory to ALL and implanted at birth [or close to] and recorded with DNA. All personal 'data' can then be linked to it.
End of Jafo's quote

 

Compulsory, really?

What do you propose be done about those of us who refuse?  Do I suddenly become a criminal?  Imprison me?  Do I deserve capital punishment?

And that child in the hospital is my child.

I find it funny that you ridicule those of us who warn 'this might be abused in the future' when that is exactly what you are proposing.

Reply #61 Top

It's reverse psychology.   Those who believe in Revelation tend to believe chip implants are heralding the end of the world, and to those who do not believe that, the idea that chip implants will bring about the end of the world is just silly, to the tune of the Hale-Bob cultists, the Mayan calendar ending the world in 2012, Rev. Harold Camping preaching the world would end in 2011, and the Jehovah's Witnesses saying the world would end in 1914, 1918, 1925 and 1975.   This makes you more inclined to promote chip implants--even to the point of being compulsory--just because the 666 Mark thing is silly.   The problem is, that is flawed logic.  If the 666 Mark idea is silly, you have to dismiss it and consider chip implants purely and completely on their own merits--not promote chip implants because you're "ignoring" 666.  The latter, you're not "ignoring" it at all.

When I consider chip implants purely on their own merits, it's this simple:   I'm dead set against just having a GPS bug track your car without your consent.  So naturally I will only be all the more polarized against medically implanting chips in your own body--under your own skin--and having someone track YOU without your consent.  I mean come on.   It's all the more demeaning putting chip implants on human beings as if they were household pets or branding cattle.

Reply #62 Top


The other day when my wife pointed out the article to me I didn't really check the date on it. I didn't see it was published back in 2004. Seeing it pop-up on MSN I thought it was "New" news and had officially started being put into people. Still, old news or new, it'll be a cold day in hell before I let the state tag me with one of those little bastards.

Reply #63 Top

Quoting Draakjacht, reply 58

Quoting Wizard1956, reply 57And for all we know, have been a component of every "Govt Issue" flu shot ever since.

It's funny you say that cause I never get flu shots. One might argue that makes me look paranoid.
End of Draakjacht's quote

 

Really?  I don't get those stupid shots as well.

 

And as far as chipping me.... If you want that hand back, you had better back up }:)

 

It's funny, the government has done so much to remove our liberties.... all in the name of safety.  This is just the extreme.... but you all consent to internet tracking, phone tracking, vehicle tracking, ect....

Reply #64 Top

Quoting tetleytea, reply 61
I'm dead set against just having a GPS bug track your car without your consent.
End of tetleytea's quote

A lot of cars already come with that now...in fact, some auto manufacturers can remotely disable your ignition...

Reply #65 Top

Quoting SivCorp, reply 63
but you all consent to internet tracking, phone tracking, vehicle tracking, ect....
End of SivCorp's quote

Quoting Seleuceia, reply 64
A lot of cars already come with that now...in fact, some auto manufacturers can remotely disable your ignition...
End of Seleuceia's quote

I know that, but all those things can be dumped on a moment's notice. It's not that I'm worried about data mining or being tracked on the mundane, but any government can become tyrannical. In that case, the people should have the resources to revolt. These resources include simple things like firearms and the means to go off the grid. If we're permanently plugged into the grid, a revolution becomes increasingly difficult.

Again, I know this sounds paranoid, but history hasn't been terribly forgiving on the subject and if someone wants to volunteer to get 'chipped', then that's their doing.

Reply #66 Top

this seems silly. i mean. any kidnapper or such would easilly be able to find such a device, and cut it out of you... prolly with unsterial tools.

 

what we really need to be working on is better computer-human interface technology.

ala: http://xkcd.com/644/

 

 

Reply #67 Top

no one said that if it became mandated that it would be sub-dermal. May go much deeper.

Reply #68 Top

... to think it all began with a single chip ...

Reply #69 Top

according to the novel "Star Trek: The Eugenics Wars", that is how it started, for the benefit of their species.

Reply #70 Top

I can see that in the future this will be linked to bank accounts and if big brother dont like you they shut you off of buying anything and doors no longer open. 

I typed in some slang into twitter and now I can't fly, use public transport or buy a slice of pizza.

A pair of British tourists on holiday (that's Brit-slang for vacation) stateside were detained and ultimately sent packing back to England because of tweets they posted prior to their arrival which contained the phrases "destroy America" -- destroy being a colloquial English term for "get drunk and party in" -- and "diggin' up Marilyn Monroe," a reference to an episode of that oh-so-American of institutions Family Guy.
 http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2012/02/five_tweets_tsa_arrested.php

If these guys were chipped it would send alarm bells to every bobby they passed. Out come the tazer guns and and billy clubs.

Reply #71 Top

Whole new meaning to "chip off the old block". ;)

Chip everyone, no exceptions. DNA and fingerprints too.

Reply #72 Top

Dr., I have a feeling you would have done well in Nazi Germany.  ;)

 

I will go to prison or worse and still not accept your chip.

 

Although I do agree, the day is coming soon where you will get your way for a time.

Reply #73 Top

Quoting jwdR1, reply 72
Dr., I have a feeling you would have done well in Nazi Germany.
End of jwdR1's quote

You're very wrong.

Reply #74 Top

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 71
Chip everyone, no exceptions. DNA and fingerprints too.
End of DrJBHL's quote

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  Martin Niemöller 

I guess we can add a verse for child molesters.  ;P

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Reply #75 Top

Ok, so skimming through this, I find it hard to believe no one decided to bring up the actual usable range of these chips.

 

The idea of someone using a chip this size to "track" you is just plain ludicrous. I researched RFID tracking for a paper I wrote a couple years ago. The effective range of the "chip" is very small. We're talking in the feet range... no that's not tens of feet range. That effective range is further based upon the size of the chips antenna array. Take a credit card sized array (yes, you can look at that card labelled "paypass" if you wish) The effective range on that card is suppose to be 3 feet. With a RFID Skimmer (costs about $98 to make one) that far, FAR exceeds FCC standards, you can boost that to about 10 feet to reliably read the information off that card. I dont think anyone would be willing to run an antenna the size of that credit card in  their bodies. These human chips are more in the centimetres range.

As it's been said before, most people have cell phones, that's how they will track you. The chip could actually save lives if used properly and responsibly (Replacing MedicAlert bracelets for instance) Sure the medical data server COULD be hacked... but seriously people, those records are already on that server and at risk, so what's the difference really?

I seem to remember a similar conversation when barcodes were first introduced. (Mark of the beast and all that) Now barcodes are common place, in fact my store which fixes computers would be seriously inconvenienced with out them.

Can technology be used for evil, sure. The only thing bad from this I see is custom tailored ads. Come to think of it, that would be not such a bad idea. Any one watch minority report with their morphing screens that show ads more relevant to who ever is in range? Think of a website where you could log in, enter the code that your RFID has and tailor those ads to you? Better yet, if you could pick your own ad (mine would be a blank screen).

EDIT: Found my source images again.

This is the credit card sized antenna, after microwaving to make it visible.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=RFID+antenna+paypass&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbnid=dDstwnZ5vHGS8M:&imgrefurl=http://www.buzzsurf.com/toastedrfid/&docid=YZnimpaIF5oDEM&imgurl=http://www.buzzsurf.com/toastedrfid/images/paypass_microwave4.jpg&w=1024&h=654&ei=C_guT-e4CuWwiQKbiOHlCg&zoom=1

This is the one that was approved for people. (That's also on their LEFT hand, not right ;) )

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=RFID+antenna+paypass&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbnid=vUvK8S5al1XPtM:&imgrefurl=http://www.asapsystems.com/docs/RFID_Reference_File.html&docid=4Pecmvcng6gJ4M&imgurl=http://www.asapsystems.com/docs/RFID%252520Reference%252520File_files/image010.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=C_guT-e4CuWwiQKbiOHlCg&zoom=1

Sorry the links are big.