Become a Better DG Player: Watch this Replay

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This is a match between Chowdown/Dalzk vs Obscenitor/Kingslet and I think is one of the best I've seen for learning how to play at a high level.  While Pacov and others have supplied a good mix of replays, this one has the advantage of showing off a lot of different facets to the game all at the same time.


I think the biggest thing to learn from this is how to use Teleports, and how to rely on them. I have literally never seen a better teleport gank than the one at 4:50 into the game. I am going to dissect this because it had a lot going on:

Key Players:

Kingslet and Obscenitor

Chowdown

Prologue: No player has returned to base yet on this side, so both Chowdown and Obscenitor are using their initial gear, which equates to a Banded Armor for Obscenitor (He already consumed a Universal Gadget) and monks for Chowdown. Kingslet grabbed some teleport scrolls early on.

Event 1: Up until this point, obscenitor has been working his blade of the serpent/ooze combo to generate a lot of mana.  He's turned this into a torrent of spit in the direction of chowdown, his tower, and heck even one of his monks.

Event 2: Over the course of about a minute, obscenitor actually makes Chowdown, who has Blood of the Fallen, bite, and Monks retreat from his lane. Chow has to pull back behind his tower, and let IT get spit on for a while, while his monks heal him.

Event 3:  Chowdown now with large health and full roster of nightcrawlers starts harassing back against obscenitor, but is rebuffed from an all out assault by two consequetive Fake Teleports.  Kingslet is keeping a watchful eye on his allies lane from his own side, and wants Chowdown to know he isn't going to get away with anything.

Event 4: This is where Obscenitor triggers his trap.  He 'draws' his opponent accross the friendly health flag, by taking enough damage to look killable.  Erebus persues, but this time Kingslet does NOT show a teleport as soon as chow gets close. This is as much part of the ruse as anything else.  Erebus gets right to the other side of the flag, and then magic happens.  At the same moment obscenitor grasps Erebus, and Kingslet teleports in.  The 2 seconds of stun almost completely prevent Chowdown from making a move back to his towers before Kingslet shows up.

Event 5: The kill. Chow is hurt due to taking rank 2 ooze damage and a grasp for the last couple of seconds, it gets worse when Kingslet drops a Penitence on him, and Obscenitor follows it up with a rank 2 spit, and follows for a bit more ooze damage. Chow goes down.

 

It may be easy to wave a hand at this incident and think of it as just 'any other' telegank, but you need to realize the history that went into it, and why Obscenitor and Kingslet even had the CHANCE to get it in.  Consider: Kingslet *had* to go back and buy teleport scrolls fairly early. Obscenitor had to have the mana to keep up his constant barrage of spits. Chowdown is a pretty savvy player, so it was also vital that he be given as little reaction time as possible to save himself.

Consider: What if Obscenitor had started the match with blood of the fallen? How do you think this may have played out? How much did the base speed of ANY character involved have on this dance?

 

Other things to consider however when watching this game:

Notice that the Warscore is actually against the winning team (Kings/Obs) for most of the game.  But also notice how quick they are to pummel a tower, or cap a portal flag when the opponent gives them even a step.

 

Just in general I want to say that Obscenitor plays my favorite beast (blade/hybrid), but that I'd never seen anyone play Oak how Kingslet did.  Anyone else notice he doesn't get a HP item until a good deal into the game?  Yet he dances like a crazy fool. Very educational.

However, you won't learn things JUST from the winning team. Dalzk and Chow both play quite well, and only die due to their opponents simply having amazing coordination in combat. Alone, each was quite well played, but Chow + Dal just wasn't as good as Obs + Kings

 

I want to thank Lagwar for hosting this tournament , and all the players who played in it, so that we can all hopefully learn a bit.

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Reply #1 Top

Wheres the link for the replay?

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Link down? Not loading for me..might be local?

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Basically, like most games we actually win, Kingslet won my battles for me from across the map. His monk micro, fake teleports, and real teleports make my playstyle viable.

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ya ummm.. the erabus on the other team did not buy a SINGLE mana item.  This is a huge mistake and cost them the game on its own

 

obs / kings controlled the xp flag for no more than 20 seconds for the first what.. 30 min of the game?  You think this is a good idea?

 

a general who doesnt have a single mana item is worthless.. why he didnt i have no idea

 

they were down in warscore and their opponent should have capitalized on that.  They didn't because of what has been stated above.

 

Obs wasted a gadget at lvl 1 or 2 for no reason.. this puts the other team a solid 500g ahead.  Again, this should have been capitalized on, but it wasn't.  It wasn't great playing by obs / kings but merely poor playing by the other team.

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Obs wasted a gadget at lvl 1 or 2 for no reason..
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Are we watching the same replay? I used the gadget because I screwed up and nearly died, if I hadn't used it they would have gotten 900g off of killing me, so while they were 500 ahead, it was still 400 less than it would have been.

Reply #7 Top

the shame indeed...

I dont know if I would say "watch this replay". Its just me playing extremely shit.

The other team was really good though :)

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2vs2? No thanks.

 

No mana items for erebus??? I agree with the above poster that alone lost them the game. No mana item for erebus basically means he can only bite a few times or keep the mana for an escape bat.

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You guys are really good, however Sakke1's team impresses me the most. Too bad Sakke1 is pissed now, because of the instability of the game, which I can really understand. It ruins a good game.

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lol.. me and tocac a guy with less than 60 games won obcenitor and kingslset in 13min maybe they could post the replay i forgot to save it :/ that'd be educational

 

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/983386/player/82752/

Reply #11 Top

One game doesn't say much, you can always screw up.

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hahaha i wish i had some1 that would defend me like that... if u would have asked instead implying they screwed up i could tell u no they did not screw up they were completly and utterly pwned in 13 minutes and i could do it again and again and again with the tatic we used i'm sure if u ask them they'll agree to that :)

Reply #13 Top

Do it again, and post a replay... and I'll happily comment on that. I'm sure that obs/king won't refuse your offer of challenge.

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Quoting Wipuliwo, reply 10
lol.. me and tocac a guy with less than 60 games won obcenitor and kingslset in 13min maybe they could post the replay i forgot to save it :/ that'd be educational

 

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/983386/player/82752/
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Blah blah blah, you're just pissed about that 1v1 we had a while back. I've got about 200 losses, it's not hard to find embarrassing games of me.

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true i'm pretty pissed that u would have posted a game where i was caught by surprise and started testing stuff without even telling me and after that when i asked for remake u left me waiting but still nothing i said its false i pwned u and kingslet in 13mins with a guy that can barely play and i'd easily do it again. i totally agree with u u have 200 losses ur not a very good player

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Really if you want to declare who is and isn't a good player you should participate in the organized matches like the most recent lagwar tournament. You may very well be a much better player than me, but when it comes down to it every time one fights someone in a random game it's very easy to say "i was caught by surprise and started testing stuff."

For whatever reason you didn't want to join the tournament and we've only played each other twice. I won one, you won one, and now you've come here to be an ass about it.

 

If you want to play again that's fine, kingslet and I will gladly do so. We'll play on cataract since that's the de facto official competition map atm. Find a friend.

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lol dont give me shit about the tournaments the only reason i didnt join is becuz i stopped playing for a while and even if i didnt atm i dont have a team.

in the matter of the beeing caught by surprise and testing.. ur totally missing the point bcuz i'm not mad about the game i'm mad about how u chicken out on the remake and went posting on forum the replay behind my back and then i had to read shit about how bad i was playing how i didnt use the war rank or minons to harass becuz u left out the part where i was testing items to see if i could deal more dmg than u could heal. i mean am i lieing here? maybe u didnt know but u didnt care to ask b4 u posted.

about playing with u and kingslet (this doesnt mean i wont accept a challenge if u ask for it) no i'm not the least bit intrested in challenging u two again i dont like u, dont think u or kingslet are good players, dont have a teammate atm. however i'd like to remake our 1on1 just so i can clear my name and put this behind me

 

and btw u make it sound like i'm the bad guy.. so u went arround the forum posting our 1on1 match and having your moment of glory so now i'm having mine i pwned u and kingslet in 13 minutes and i'm beeing an ass about it? cmon.. i just wish u would post the replay so every1 can see how easy it was for me to win but u either dont have it or only like to post your victories i'm not beeing an ass about anything i'm just disagreeing with people and letting them know about other facts ur the one beeing an ass not letting me have my moment of glory i let u have yours now let me have mine =)

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Hey Wip, I don't think the kids are saying "pwned" anymore... its really all very 2007 to do so.

 

I think they're still saying "loose" instead of lose, but in my opinion you're posts are enough to show that you care about your gaming status very very much so you don't have to use the silly trying way too hard to miss-spellify words to show how hard core you are.

 

Speaking of which, when is "Goshu" going to come back into vogue... I miss it.

Reply #19 Top

i just wish u would post the replay so every1 can see how easy it was for me to win but u either dont have it or only like to post your victories i'm not beeing an ass about anything i'm just disagreeing with people and letting them know about other facts
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You know what? I did embarrassingly badly on a trig test the other day, if one of my classmates came in here and posted my test results, they would be being an ass. Our other match has nothing to do with this replay, you'll notice that while RAWRRR was very critical of us, he posted about the actual game, his criticism is legit and yours is completely non sequitur.

Your 'arguments' offer zero insight into how we played, how we could have done better, and why the game went the way it did, you're just trying to derail this thread because someone said something nice about us. You literally haven't said a single word about this replay yet.

 

If you just don't like me as a person or player (which obviously you don't), then start another thread about it, or post in the hall of shame.

i dont like u, dont think u or kingslet are good players
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now let me have mine :)
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Why exactly would I bother playing with you again? Your sales pitch isn't very compelling so far.

Reply #20 Top

aight thundercles.. i'm just gonna ignore all the crap about how i write and the miss spelling and the hole fail joke about the kids and goshu whoever the **** that is becuz i didnt understood any of that probably cuz i'm not american and go right into the part about my status.

ur missing the whole point yes i used to care about the stats and played just for it but since the exp reset i dont give a **** anymore about how i'm known by the community i only care about doing stuff for myself i'm not happy with the fact that every1 saw that game without knowing the facts but more than that i'm not happy with myself for losing it so ye i'd like to remake and win so i can put this behind me and since i had already wasted my time trying to ask ingame i decided to humiliate him a little bit on the forum so maybe he would play but u and ntropy kinda ruinned the moment with your asslicking

 

ps: obcenitor i just red your post ye ur right i didnt even red most of the thread itself mutch less the comments i dont rly care about this replay

Reply #21 Top

I'm a bit old for reverse psychology btw.

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still u gotta give it up to me old man 13 minutes is gotta be the fastest game u ever lost on 2on2 :p

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What's with king's death towards the end?  Was he just trying to bait them away from the portal flag to get another wave through, or was it a bit of a fuckup choosing a teleport location?

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Quoting Wipuliwo, reply 20
aight thundercles.. i'm just gonna ignore all the crap about how i write and the miss spelling and the hole fail joke about the kids and goshu whoever the **** that is becuz i didnt understood any of that probably cuz i'm not american and go right into the part about my status.

ur missing the whole point yes i used to care about the stats and played just for it but since the exp reset i dont give a **** anymore about how i'm known by the community i only care about doing stuff for myself i'm not happy with the fact that every1 saw that game without knowing the facts but more than that i'm not happy with myself for losing it so ye i'd like to remake and win so i can put this behind me and since i had already wasted my time trying to ask ingame i decided to humiliate him a little bit on the forum so maybe he would play but u and ntropy kinda ruinned the moment with your asslicking

 

ps: obcenitor i just red your post ye ur right i didnt even red most of the thread itself mutch less the comments i dont rly care about this replay
End of Wipuliwo's quote

 

Now, where is that damn period key... I know I put it here somewhere! Maybe I should have red the manual!

Reply #25 Top

It's really cool you guys talked about it. That's always the first step. :grin: