Never really thought any DG was too OP until now.

Played a 3v3. Was a good game up until near the end. Good players on both sides, each side having about the same amount of deaths until late game. We had pushed them all the way to cit on exile map and were winning. Then the other team UB got whatever item set he got and he literally became unkillable. 13000 hp. He could just sit at our crystal killing us faster than it could heal us even with giants and all 3 of our DGs attacking. I was playing erebus and even with godplate, bulwark of the ages, crusader platemail, grofling plate, I could not stand against him. And before you suggest I go damage, I tried that first and got hit way too hard to survive long enough to kill, had to switch to armor. I had 8-9kish hp myself but it didn't matter. It really sucked. Felt robbed of a good hard earned win.

 

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Reply #1 Top

i think i read somewhere that the sigil of vitality can give you those 11k hp with flags and such...

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I guarantee this was because you didn't press hard enough at their end... enough gold and he likely got ashkandar and had Bulkwark of the ages too...

He was likely critting for 2500 a pop with an attack rate that .5 sec for every attack..

 

He had BOTH health bonus flags too...

 

 

Reply #3 Top

It's hard to say anything one way or another about the supposed OP-ness of this demigod without knowing what actually happened or what the equipment was.  Anyone with sigils and a pile of end-game equipment (likely, with a large amount of life steal) is going to seem OP'ed.

 

Reply #4 Top

Someday.  Replays.  Then all this having to do "story telling"around the campfire to figure out what happened during a game will be "Wow, watch this great replay". 

Reply #5 Top

Well, it's hardly UB being over-powered, rather that the collection of items he had amassed made him so strong. Any Demigod would be a force to run from with that gear, not just UB.

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I'd wager that a general would be even more durable, as the monks would heal him for thousands a pop.

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Acclimation does make UB overpowered in long games where the winner is decided by who gets the most autoattack crits, as he's permanently taking way less damage than everyone else.

It should probably be changed, but it's so rare that games reach that point and it'd have to be an extreme nerf to make it remotely fair, which would make it fairly useless in normal games.

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Quoting -Pod-, reply 1
i think i read somewhere that the sigil of vitality can give you those 11k hp with flags and such...
End of -Pod-'s quote

true

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But there is no way that you can achieve 11K hp and still Crit someone wearing godplate, bulwark of the ages, crusader platemail and grofling plate for 2,5k hp.  Not on UB, not on any other hero.  Cmmon - lets be realistic = above char with all that def and 8K hp gets healed what - 800hp per second at fountain?  You're telling me that a hero can stand there do 1500dps to 3 infinite mana heroes and still not die....BS

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Quoting Obscenitor, reply 7
Acclimation does make UB overpowered in long games where the winner is decided by who gets the most autoattack crits, as he's permanently taking way less damage than everyone else.

It should probably be changed, but it's so rare that games reach that point and it'd have to be an extreme nerf to make it remotely fair, which would make it fairly useless in normal games.

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Thats what i told people thousand times.

Reply #11 Top

theres always that one game that makes u think a char is OP.

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Quoting gkrit, reply 11
theres always that one game that makes u think a char is OP.
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No, UB actually is OP in the rare game that everyone is able to gear up to artifacts. There's just no way to fix him without redesigning acclimation and very few games reach the point where it matters.

Reply #13 Top

In a situation like this you should have gone with all speed items and go get the health flags back.  A +30% health boost is massive.  If you goes to port in, just run to the other flag.

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Acclimation is OP on what should be a dps class.  Complaining about how much health or damage he did means nothing to me, since that's mostly items and flags.

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Quoting gkrit, reply 11
theres always that one game that makes u think a char is OP.
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^^Yep, what he said.

Reply #16 Top

In a situation like this you should have gone with all speed items and go get the health flags back.  A +30% health boost is massive.  If you goes to port in, just run to the other flag.
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Late game every class is a DPS class. When you reach the point where everyone has ashkandors and everyone is at or past 10k HP the skill just gets out of hand since even autoattacks are activating it and pertty much every single skill does as well.

Reply #17 Top

Maybe it is a bit much, but it is after all an elite skill. I am unsure it needs a fix though, I think this is quite an extreme exampl and in games without the + regen and + health flags it matters not so much.

Reply #18 Top

if you let an ub buy nearly everything you want then he is stronger then any other dg in 1vs1. yes he is unbeatable espacially with ooze. but this does not make him unbalanced. in fact, there is no balance among all dgs at ANY time. it is mostly temporal. thus you need to push when it's time for. same holds for the others.

 

this game is far more complex then you might thought of. depending on demigods you use time is against you or with you.

Reply #19 Top

ANd this is why we need replays to fully apreciate what went on here. If UB would get this powerful every single game then yes, something would be wrong. If otoh the UB bought the best gear you can think of and you di not - I mean, if you have difficulties hurting him then I see stocking up on more health + armor as a bad move since you will be able to hurt him even less yet you can take a few more punches which accomplishes little - then you deserve to get your digital behinds handed to you.

This game is about the full match, not about what the situation is a minute before the game is over. Maybe you could do nothing any more by the time the game was nearly over, but that is not to say that there may have been a window of opportinuty when the game was beginning.

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Quoting CelMare, reply 18
if you let an ub buy nearly everything you want then he is stronger then any other dg in 1vs1. yes he is unbeatable espacially with ooze. but this does not make him unbalanced. in fact, there is no balance among all dgs at ANY time. it is mostly temporal. thus you need to push when it's time for. same holds for the others.
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UB is strong early, strong mid, strong late, incredibly strong late late.
this game is far more complex then you might thought of. depending on demigods you use time is against you or with you.
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Oh yeah, totally mind-blowingly complex.

 

Reply #21 Top

Hehe, good point Obs, this game is simple but some people are simply better at it than others. Welcome to life ladies.

Reply #22 Top

Maybe the game is not that complex, but balancing DG A, who got to spend 25k gold on gear against DG B, who had about the same gold but chose to spend it in an unwise manner can get rather tricky. Of course this is not really the fault of the programmers but it is rather the fault of the player who had poor vision.

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Quoting Obscenitor, reply 20

UB is strong early, strong mid, strong late, incredibly strong late late.
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strong or better then the other? ub is compared to some of the dgs quite weak at early game, and compared to others still weak at mid game. of course if the others allow him to get kills/assists he can damn strong due to items - ub is the dg that scales probably the best with items - but thats another story.

 


this game is far more complex then you might thought of. depending on demigods you use time is against you or with you.

Oh yeah, totally mind-blowingly complex.
 

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well, exagerating my words won't help you lokking any more intelligent. i said it is more complex then some of the people here think, maybe you included.

Reply #24 Top

I must agree with obscenitor here. Spit is a very good ability and makes you very strong early game, indeed it does more damage than hammerslam. However when your ooze is somewhat leveled you get fearsome in midgame too. In Endgame you have super attackspeed/speed plus slow, AND aclimation and ooze. Once an UB get enough good items there is no stopping him with buffing up yourself with items, his naturals just augment his power way more than other dg, with the possible exception of Rook.

Reply #25 Top

i agreed that ub scales far better (espacially with items) then most dgs. but early game the people are often to scared of spit than they should. yes indeed it is a great ability early game. but this does not make ub op. in fact around level 5-8 a minion ereb well played and build is more dangerous then any ub build, between level 1 and 10 an ub cant stand a chance vs a good sedna.

playing a ranged dd spit is not enough to win the flag domination if the ranged dd know how to use his range-advantage. but indeed, ub starts scaling better and end of mid or late game he is the strongest 1vs1 dg of all.

 

but the problem is that most people are simply scared of ub and are planing there builds and item usage for later levels instead of using their temporal advanteges to their maximum. you should use the dg advantages at the times you have them, they do not hold on fover all levels.

 

e.g. when i play sedna early game i push any dg away. if both factions are playing good then i will not get an item advantage due to kills to get better armor faster then my enemys. so arround level 9 (depednig on opposing dg) i will not be able to stand against most of the dg anymore. i must stand more back supporting my team more then being aggrassive myself. the 1vs1 time is over. the tactics and the advantages of the demigods are very very time specific and ub is not the best dg anytime!