Sedna and minion erebus are both build also high on the "imba"spectrum, although minion erebus got hit ahrd without the horn or ring.

Give me an example of an build that stands up to UB that does not belong to the three or lategameoak.

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lifekatana, you know that this is not a 1vs1 pvp game? at early game you can push back an ub with any range-dg +  rook. and thinking sedna or minion ereb are op, meaning not only temporal for a couple of levels is plain false.

that's why i said this game is far more complex as many might think. most people are simplifieng the situations and totally underestamate the current level, warrank, map, and solo and over more than 1 dg combined strategie used.

i've met many ubs, regs, and so on, all sometimes very easy to beat, all sometimes damn good played that they feeled a bit op. but if all of them feel sometimes op none are!

well, if our opinion is so far away of each other a discussion does not make much sense here, because talking about temporal synargy wont satisfy none of us. i just wanted to point out that it is not so simple as most seem to think. in my opinion dg is extremly well balanced, probably the balanced mp game at the moment.

CelMare, the game balance is okay now, but far from the state that a competitive multiplayer game should be (see Warcraft 3).

If you think it's extremely well balanced please explain:

• There are no QoTs or Rooks or TBs or Regulus in 2vs2 or 3vs3 ESL ladder games.
• Win/loss ratios of Demigods are quite diverse: On average Sedna & Erebus win 2 of 3 matches, whereas TB and QoT lose 2 of 3 matches.
• Only 5% of all chosen Demigods are QoTs, whereas 18% are UB and another 18% are Regulus.
• A few items are practically useless (first armor, second helm, fourth gloves, a lot of favor items).
• There are absolutely useless skills: No experienced player uses Yetis or Uproot.
  
• Cataract is played 60% of all (custom) games.
• All good players are basically stacking health as much as possible.
• Some items still don't work properly (Sludge Slinger, Parasite Egg: you get stuck sometimes when using them; Ring of Divine might does not work with Shamblers but of course nobody cares because nobody plays QoT)

First armor is useless?!

CELMARE, stop the elite I'm experienced talk. I know what im talking about. If you dont agree we  can play a game where youplay all Rook/Tb/Queen/whatever and I take Sedna/Erebus/UB (and maybe Oak, depengdign on game size). You will see a trend develop that my team will win an afwul lot more than yours will.

DG being the most balanced game is a hollow statement. Some matchups on soe maps are pretty much horrible since on a large map it stands to reaosn that a slow rook is at a disadvantage simple because there is a lot of ground to cover and the opponent is always outriunning you.

Also Starcraft and warcrasft 3 are both very well balanced with differences maybe showing in the absolute expert levels of play with players belonging to the top 10. On mortal levels of play however the balance in those games is fine.

I do feel however that the balance issues in demigod are quite magnified by people running to the boards, complaining about how overpowered some one was, when they clearly have little clue as to what they should be doing and they clearly do not understand the first thing about basic tactics or DG build while claiming to be above average players.

wait i think you misunderstood me. i didn't forbid you your opinion. i simply said that the matter gets to complex to get an agreemend taling about in a forum.

you as me are defending your opinion. if i sound elitist because of this same is true for you.

i may be wrong but for me it seems that you opver simplify the things. amybe i'm seeing them too complex. but that's it. i tried my best to explain my point of view but i see that this is not solvable here due to the fact that everything that goes byond numbercrunching of to dgs fighting each other in melee distance without much player interaction is not really proofable in a forum discussion.

btw. who ever of us both would win would not proof anything we were taling about, expecially not because we didnÄt talked about 1vs1 games. your offer is quite stupid and could demonstrate your insight of the game. btw. we allready had several game together and against each other.

edit: when i said the most balanced game i didn't talked about 1vs1 games. and being the most balanced game does not exculde the existance of some balance issues.

CelMare

In ladder games the top teams only choose half of all Demigods, coincidentally the ones with more wins than losses. You do not see a serious problem here?

Please, I really want to hear your explanation for that fact.

Celmare the point, which you missed, is that UB is just fine early, mid, and late game. In fact he's quite strong through the entire game. He becomes OP late late game when artifacts hit the field.

Buy a dictionary btw.

1. We never played games together.

2. I didn´t mean an 1vs1, I meant an 3vs3 or higher. Although indeed skill levels will count in this, I promise you that a few average players witth the big three will beat other teams without it pretty consistently.

I don't want some flamewar, so lets keep it civil.

"Obscenitor, I see a problem there too, most dg´s have a perioed where they are very strong and fall behind later or vice versa, in the example of Queen-Oak. Ub doesn't have that, he is strong throughout the game and becomes unstopable at the latelategame.

I agree with CosMoe.

Some demigods combination are better than other. And that makes the game a bit not too balanced.

While the balance is not THAAAT bad there are still some issues.

Like Sedna + Erebus seems a verry good combo.

In theory, if everything was perfect, there should not be a "better demigod combo"

Oh and there are soo much unused items, some should be redesigned.

Just my 2 cents.

Not true on the UB ..he's very dealable for about the first 6 levels...

Balance again. i se there are 2 kinda people in the Game.

The one group says "Balancing is fine, Demigod has no Balance issues, compared to other games" and so on. Often they argue that they are sooo experienced and that its just whining if you say something is imba.

The other group, which i am in, says this game is not good balanced, and it gets patched for the next half year - so why not improving balance!?

Im sick of hearing that this Game has no Balance issues. I mean, how can you say shit like that? I think its only possible if youre retarded or your a fuckin lamer, using only the most imba DGs and the most lame tactic (HP Stacking)´. - Of course then, balancing is not a negative aspect for you. But my opinion is, that a Multiplayer Game, especially a game like DG, which is 95% Multiplayer has to have a balance which is hardly perfect. With hardly i mean NO FUCKED UP ITEMS AND NO FUCKED UP BULDS/DGS. I know so many items which are fking underpowered. Nobody uses them. On the other Hand a few item get used, as if they where the only ones in the game.

Thats called imbalance you moron!

I dont want to have new DGs and items and maps and other fanboy/casual victim bullshit!! I want to have a good balance, where strategy and tactic decides the gmae and not who stacks more HP and who is the more imba user!! When this was done, you can create new maps, GPG.

and i want new demigods, more maps and rebalancing

obviously there's imbalance, look at the demigods used/win stats. i'm still waiting for a game that rebalances abilities slightly every day (hell, do it on different lunar cycles for each one) to mix it up a bit. until then some demigods (QoT etc) need some love. 

Actually on the contrary its called balance for the morons.  If only morons do opt for certain things then you will beat them if you don't...

Like all the people that think a potion of health is better for dealing with spit than a scroll of purity

whats a scroll of purity? i know only scroll of restoration which dosnt work on demigods.

Sorry Symbol of purity...

He means symbol of purity

Yes, UB is overpowered if you allow him to get 5 Legendary items.

Protip: Destroy his citadel before he gets even one legendary.