Jark is my friend

deviantART reaches a turning point

Jark is my friend.  He's been my friend for a long time.  I'm unhappy about the situation with deviantART.  Jark (Scott Jarkoff) and his friend Matteo (Matt Stephens) founded deviantART back in 2000.  The site was started with the help of Angelo Sotira (Spyed) as well but I don't think it's accurate to say Spyed is a co-founder of deviantART any more than it is accurate to give the CEO of say Ziff-Davis the co-founding credit of every magazine they publish.

deviantART, especially when it was launched, was a truly unique experience and its uniqueness put it on the path that has led to where it is today.  And about a week ago, the company that owns deviantART fired Jark without giving any sort of public explanation.  I don't think that's acceptable.  Jark deserves better than that.

Let me tell you the kind of friend Scott Jarkoff is.  Let me tell you about the man he really is.  He's a man of principle. A man of strong moral character.  He is not the kind of person who becomes paralyzed by shades of gray.  He doesn't worry about "appearances".  He worries about what is right and what is wrong. And he takes stands on things based on what he believes in.

Jark is a man who doesn't just say things that sound ethical and moral. He does things that are ethical and moral. He is a man of action.  Let me give you two examples where, at risk to himself, took a strong stand to help his friend (me in these cases) because he thought it was the right thing to do.

Example 1: The GUI Olympics

The first example took place in 2002.  We had put together this inter-website contest called the GUI Olympics.  And I fully admit that we at Stardock were incredibly naive in the way we had set it up. I say that because to help create a sense of equality and paternity, each member site was allowed elect a judge to represent their site without those sites having to have put in any real effort into the contest. As a result, they didn't really have a vested interest in hoping the contest was successful.  Stardock, in its naivete, had basically created a giant-give away to "the community" skin sites without really getting anything substantial in return. 

Stardock, which had come up with the contest, organized it, was paying for the contest and running it would have 3 judges. Each participating site would have one judge.  The rules for the contest were posted from the onset.

Over the course of weeks, Stardock burned the midnight oil to build an independent skin site (the GUI Olympics website) to host the contest and provide a place for judging.  Once it was done and as it was about to begin, a number of the sites started objecting that Stardock (gasp, a commercial company) should have so many judges. They insisted that Stardock be given 1 vote (so it would have 1 vote in 9).  Nevermind that the prize money given out was split between the skinners and the sites and therefore their demand would, in effect, create the potential for collusion -- a couple of sites could get together and potentially rig the judging so that skinners representing their sites would win. And nevermind that Stardock was the one paying for the whole thing.  And ignore that Stardock was the one running the contest (coding the sites, doing the database work, moderating, etc.).  They also demanded a host of other changes including changes to the rules, changes to how the skins would be displayed, etc.  Mind you, they made these demands right before the contest was about to start.  And bear in mind, they demanded this despite their only contributions to the contest being judging the skins -- not exactly a sacrifice. And for that they'd be receiving part of the $10k in cash and prizes being handed out by us along with links back to their sites.  And on top of all the other demands, they also insisted that skin authors not have their names publicly displayed until after the contest -- which would have essentially killed the contest since public recognition is a major factor for skinners. 

For those of us who were working 70 hour weeks trying to get this thing going, the idea of going back and making these changes along with what we thought were obvious conflict of interest issues in allowing the sites who would be receiving money having so much say over how the prize money would be handed out was appalling.  During the course of it, I was called all kinds of names and made to look like I (personally) was out to "Screw over" skinners (how having a contest with cash and prizes can be turned into a "Screw skinners" thing is beyond me but that's what got spread).

But Jark alone of the major skin sites rejected their demands.  Jark took the position that it was our contest to run as we see fit and if they didn't like the way we were running our contest they should get off their asses and run their own contest (which, incidentally, none of these sites ever did).  And in fact, only Skinbase and deviantART via Jark stood up to the other sites.  As a result, the "committee of rule changes" fell apart since as a practical matter, by 2002 WinCustomize and deviantART represented the lion's share of the skinning community and as long as we had Jark's support, the contest could go forward.

The easy path would have been to ride the bandwagon. After all, the "committee" had made themselves out to be the saviors of poor exploited skinners and Stardock was the big bad corporate overlord.  But he took the harder path even though he had to disagree with other on-line friends and do what he thought was right.

Example 2: The TGT Soft incident

The second example came two years later.  It was a week before Christmas 2003 and software developer TGT Soft had demanded that it have the right to use the IconPackager .iptheme format we had created without having to license it from us so that their program Style XP could compete against IconPackager without having to go through the trouble of getting people to create icon packages in any format they came out with or having to pay to host such icon packages.  When we refused to simply give them permission without some type of compensation, they filed a lawsuit against us demanding a court force us to hand over rights to the .iptheme format without any sort of licensing agreement.

A "company" site would probably go and play neutral.  But Jark took a stand.  He condemned TGT Soft and refused to post any more news on them (Betanews.com and Neowin.net have done likewise).  But Jark was the first to do so and deviantART -- run by Jark -- was the only website to publicly condemn what many felt was the corporate equivalent of ripping. 

And I've been thinking of these incidents and countless like them in which Scott Jarkoff displayed a level of integrity and nobility that goes beyond anything one could ever expect in a single human being.  And while I cannot hope to match Jark's integrity, I can try to match his loyalty.  And therefore, I will publicly state this -- on behalf of Stardock Corporation, its shareholders, and Stardock's affiliated websites and partner websites (which are more than most people are probably aware of), we urge the company deviantART, Inc. to settle with Scott Jarkoff in a fair and reasonable manner.  We urge the company deviantART, Inc. to put together a fair and accurate history of deviantART that is created as a collaborative effort between Angelo, Scott, and Matt.  We urge deviantART, Inc. to reinstate Jark with a new "Founder" access class (or better) pending a formal settlement.   We urge deviantART to acknowledge the importance that Jark played in the creation of deviantART.  There would be no deviantART without Jark and to strip someone of their creation in such a way is not right. If both parties can't work together, it should be handled with delicacy and sensitivity.

By doing these things, we believe that deviantART can avert permanent damage to the community we care so much about and to the very valuable good-will that it has built over the past 5 years.  We care very much about deviantART and its success and we hope that the company that owns it and Jark can find a way to settle things amicably.

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hope that the company that owns it find a way to settle things amicably. Sure do, too. Impressive all the animated avatars they created there to support Jark. Wonder how I animate a JPG into my avatar here, but that is not important. What IS could be meaningful people like you who have also been so involved take the time to get that message over there as well at a crucial point. All those good artists might just not go elsewhere but split up everywhere while doing that, something to prevent fast.

I wonder where you get the time? Hundreds, probably thousands are watching that pic of him in the garage and reacting, but helplessly if you go by their direct results. They do signal awareness. People like you seem QUITE coordinated, especially when opposed to them.

Let me sidetrack thanking u for articles of urs helping me mentally + practically many times these weeks: Internet law and many more, like on the Adrenalin vault forum, even if I am not using everything of that or not yet, and thanks for the whole company and products, that´s all.

Those who know how many times I have already had the courage to talk up to many big people in the wrong moment know that I am not trying to be popular here. Keep on!

When I go to "Brad Wardell´s Articles", page 4 shows no titles, page 1 - 3 and 5 do after clicking next. Guess page 4 contains things made private for updating or that were deleted, small detail likely to be inevitable, just feedback.
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Well spoken, Brad....I concur 100%.

There's a small bunch of people, maybe a dozen or two that have made 'skinning' what it is today, and without whom our little 'corner of enjoyment' would NOT be the same.

I can think of other instances exemplifying jark's good character and integrity, apart from those listed here already.

As I said elsewhere...."he's a good bloke"...

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It's an extension of the same 'Community' vs. Business argument we've had since Efront raped skinz.org and before. Brad seems to always find a happy medium. It's hard for two distinct entities to exist like that on a site.

It would be akin to the audience being part of the play, I guess. It would be hard for the theator owner to brush off the wishes of the people without whose work the business wouldn't exist. This is a cutthroat business move that has to find some semblance of moral understanding in the community.

I don't think there's any way to make it jive. Either the 'community' will forgive the sin for the sake of their nest, or something will have to be done to appease them. As with any other site, I think it will sadly blow over. I just don't see enough outraged people at Devart effecting their bottom line, and other than some sort of legal action, that's all that moves such folk.

I differed with Jark a lot, and I think if he considers me at all he probably doesn't like me much. I deeply respect his commitment to the site, though, and I think this is the last thing they should have done. The little yellow alien is the face of Devart, and it will take a long time to make another one stick.
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Thanks for a great article. I mainly feel empathy for Jark for two reasons. One, is the idea, the concept of deviantART is wonderful. I know matteo had much to do with this as well. I also feel he was treated shabbily and rudely by people who should be thanking him.

So, it is nice to read more about the man and his character. I applaud you and Stardock for your closing statements.

I think BakerStreet may be right about it blowing over, though. The fact is many of the artists wouldn't be able to find another place to show their work, and that would be a hard thing to just give up. I hope the powers that be decide to do some semblance of the right thing, but that seems less and less likely every day.
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Thank You so much Brad for this article.
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There would be no deviantART without Jark and to strip someone of their creation in such a way is not right.


I couldn't agree more.
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What´s good is, meeting people here I didn´t know yet worried about the right thing at the right time steada jus points in old or new system at JU.

many of the artists wouldn't be able to find another place to show their work Some truth in that; artists are busy with more things than just worrying about which site to invest more time into in the future, which is a time consuming art of its own. Looks to me as if sites exist, but they might not go there as united as another article was indicating recently. That ruins their joint power, u are almost tempted to think that is what some people are trying to achieve. Hope they consider coming here instead, Brad/Draginol are so positive and successful and unselfish when creating and keeping up sites and things, also hope newcomers contribute not just art but something to keep traffic working, which is quite a problem at Deviant.art as well. Most of the 1s above average´d probably be willing to do that. Staying a good artist for other people to enjoy, too involves many tedious non art chores, like staying a successful PR or marketing site coordinator involves some art instead of just the PR itself.

Not being familiar with their full history details makes me wonder how it could come to this change, reckon Jark just had some bad luck when selecting his marketing savior. The more u improve ur judgement on who is good and fair about marketing, the more u turn into a marketeer urself meaning u dont have enough time for art anymore, vicious circle.

Is their search function still down? My key was meant for 2 months only, considering they did not fix it in those 8 weeks, I dont feel like reuping again - another v. circle. Shame, what a shame. Not enough want to pay for registering here, either; how to handle traffic increased by their whole complex overnight, yet another v. c....

Hundreds of em are now on the plan and at least aware of the problem, according to Baker Street those are not the typical hundreds, another shame... If I had time I would go backup their idea and the work of many of em there for myself (which would not give me all of their new URLs in the future anyway), dont even have the time, money or hardware, as Oliver Hardy always said, ANOTHER FINE MESS YOU GOT ME INTO!, but who is my main Stan Laurel to blame? Probably meself for not being richer fast enough, which is my fault.

Scarebear says somewhere skinning should be FUN. WOW! Been a while since I senced that. Skin and program sites seem so technical and internal, simultaneously blog sites tend to be more shallow or complicated in their typa humor, I thought this was about skins and fun. C242/rabidrobot, thanks for being aware and around. So many artists are helpless because of being minors, and minors don´t all want to pay for traffic even if they could + were allowed to. Sob. Minors, u could be our backbone, u have time, and someone should have 20$ for you, not me, I just payed 2,500 for my own hard and software and registering, also meaning I dont have time, sometimes I have to earn some money with conventional work. Oh, well! Last chance to think about it. We have enough skins cepting a few updates. We need money, too, or some disguised PR man will pose in Brads garage 1 day for a photo instead of him, and the search function to ur skin gallery might just be working a bit freaky when I want to download. Then where ur popularity, career, promotion, fun, price reduction, spirit? Inaccessible, redirected to Japan. U have worked hard on those skins anyway, haven´t ya? A shame not to make anything of it, not even spiritually if u cant share it!


Old McDonald had a jark, heyiy, hiyaa, HO! Here a jark, there a jark As BizOwner always said, Hiyah, no what he really said was:
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Woops... wrong thread!


But seriously, although we had some missunderstandings in the past, Jark was in my opinion, a true 'Pioneer' of the skinning community. With the passing of the old guard at skinz.org he helped to take the community to new hights. He also kept the ideals of the community alive by continuing to keep the whole place free for the artists to use as a one fantastic online resource.

But like anything in life, if you have to make the deal with the devil to attain your dream, then 'by the devil you shall fall'. I had dealings with Angelo aka spyed and can assure you, he has no idea that the program skin is actualy something not to be gropped.
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Grimspoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi there...

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Impressive all the animated avatars they created there to support Jark. Wonder how I animate a JPG into my avatar here, but that is not important.
You can't. Gif files can, that's what they use at dA.

I really hope the dA admin comes with some sort of statement soon. One they will post on the frontpage and clarify what's happend. I saw that Skinsfactory removed all their deviations in protest agains the handling of jark.
All though I think this whole case with jark has been handled badly, I found this journal interesting: http://pachunka.deviantart.com/journal/6151291/
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Oi there, Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thank you quite a lot, thomassen! Not just for the avatar answer, that link and the 93 comments are worth reading more of. This topic is intricate, and I should do more homework when back in the fall from some trips, if it is not too late. Info is always good, + u sure provided that. I admire that admin starting the thread on that link to DevArt. He has a hard position, and very good diplomatics and courage, which is why the only first 20 replies I managed to read were friendly and respectful, he deserved that. Take care, y'all!
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There would be no deviantART without Jark and to strip someone of their creation in such a way is not right.


Yep, I completely agree with you Brad. Great article.
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On my personal page at DeviantArt, it says "Thanks to Jark and Matteo for giving me a home for my feeble efforts"........... No other names there.........

I have been uploading there since JARK and MATTEO opened the site, (I was originally known as Mr. Mercury), but I doubt I will post there again after this.

(I hope Jark comes to work at Stardock)

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Thanks for posting this, for revealing the personal details, and for taking a stand so strongly. This is well-spoken and I applaud you for it.

Sadly, it is looking like Mr. Sotira is going to turn the entire community against him. It is too bad that it is unlikely he will be ousted from his position. I do wish there was a way to accomplish that. To "take back DA" as it were.
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A small quote from my journal of 31/7:

The end of an era...

The community as a whole, is the sum of its parts. When one of those parts is removed, then a part of the community dies. In the case of DA, the largest part has been removed. DA will never be the same again. I, for one, will not be uploading here again. I will not be renewing my subscription either   

Congratulations must go to spyed for disrupting an entire community. Those of us of that era remember how DA started and who brought it to be. His attempts to gain power and re-write history have only earned him contempt.

jark should be back where he belongs - at the heart of the community.

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And I've been thinking of these incidents and countless like them in which Scott Jarkoff displayed a level of integrity and nobility that goes beyond anything one could ever expect in a single human being. And while I cannot hope to match Jark's integrity, I can try to match his loyalty. And therefore, I will publicly state this -- on behalf of Stardock Corporation, its shareholders, and Stardock's affiliated websites and partner websites (which are more than most people are probably aware of), we urge the company deviantART, Inc. to settle with Scott Jarkoff in a fair and reasonable manner. We urge the company deviantART, Inc. to put together a fair and accurate history of deviantART that is created as a collaborative effort between Angelo, Scott, and Matt. We urge deviantART, Inc. to reinstate Jark as an administrator pending a formal settlement. We urge deviantART to respect the importance that Jark played in the creation of deviantART. There would be no deviantART without Jark and to strip someone of their creation in such a way is not right.


I think that would be soooo cool on the front page of WinCustomize.
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I will publicly state this -- on behalf of Stardock Corporation, its shareholders, and Stardock's affiliated websites and partner websites

Um.....Frogboy would be the only person qualified [in a position] to state such, so its reiteration here 'should' be as a quote...

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on behalf of Stardock Corporation, its shareholders, and Stardock's affiliated websites and partner websites (which are more than most people are probably aware of),


Which shareholders are these then?
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Been forever Jerry! Good to see you Purrrr...
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#Rushes arf and buys a pewter again, does a fresh customised XP install, whips out his most trusted apps, thinks to himself, 'thank God for backup'. He then chases up a broadband provider, leases some office space and buys a new pair of shades. Yay! Upon sitting down to connect after all these years, he utters just two determened words:
"Hit me!"#

CHINA! Damn gurl, longer then forever, I don't think they inveneted the word yet, but it's just a matter of time. ehe
Life's been dull, I missed ya! And I missed Jafo, but for a dif reason HaRrr!
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Life's been dull, I missed ya! And I missed Jafo, but for a dif reason HaRrr

Different....yeah, right....SO HE SAYS....

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Hey, I'm glad you posted this, for a number of reasons. It lets the average web-surfer get a little insight into DA and the Jark situation. This post also sheds some light on what we've seen on the front page and in the "news" the past few years, as well as the forums and all the other community communications (gossip?) that always goes on. It also lets DA members see in an outside format what other people think, and how DA and indeed Jark fit in to the "world outside". Thanks, I support Scott by the way, and have linked this post at my DA journal.