allergic to the stuff ... sorry but i don't want to end up in the ER!

Kona, that is not humbling yourself... it is living like t he rest of us do all the time.

if you knew me you would say I need to humble myself. I tend to think I am better than anyone else and above others. Can't help it. part of my makeup as a person. As you can imagine it drives me nuts!

Then think of it as elevating the rest of us to walk on the clouds along with you.

actually I MUST think of it as you all walk on clouds and I do not therefore I will stay out of trouble.

Come on every knows I am sorta a pest so if I can manage to give respect than I will be better respected.

You are what we read, kona & you... said it best in #88

people can change china. Tech Cat is a good example.

I really could care less.As if I cared in the first place!

I know what was said and I really regret saying that because i REALLY do care about you all here. I am capable of caring for those I have never met.

What about forgiveness? Mercy?

Tech Cat? You KNOW what I think about your other personality (Tech Cat), kona! It's on record somewhere on this site...

Sometimes people are just strange

Trust me Tech Cat and I are 2 different people altogether. Jesse lives in the Dakotas, I live in Oregon. Different IP's and User #'s.

But Thanks for the Joke!

Don't get me wrong, I also believe there could be a place for interacting between those who are extreamly and just starting out including everyone in between those two point.

My point is this;

I am wanting my work posted in the libraries at Wincustomize, for whatever reason it is not happening. So in order to at least get them posted and stored on the site I decide I will upload what I consider is something I would submit as finished work, but I do not submit it. Instead I post it in a thread in the general message board, even if I do take a part in working through what changes would help and attempt to seek help in expanding my skill set. I have in fact gone right past the process of Moderation and my work is now posted and stored at Wincustomize.

That is how the process of moderation is throw out the window. It becomes meaningless and moot to consider any valitidy (moderation) if I am happy with just getting my work on the site.

Again, DeviantArt does not have moderation and fits the needs for aspiring Wall Artists where the policies of WinCustomize would end up being subverted in attempting to provide such a forum.

Unless of course there is a section put together to deal with this model of mentoring, or whatever you wish to call it.

Simply put, it's a loop hole the size of the Grand Canyon if it is allowed to continue with full size Walls being posted in threads.

A Desktop Screen Shot or a Thumb Nail would serve the same purpose as the full size image and it would also be more acceptable because of it, without steping all over the policy of moderation.

I would think that with the last few months of constant bickering and contention over the Wall section and Moderation people would understand that if the Message Board becomes a dumping ground for 1 - 3 or more meg walls and it *really* ends up becoming an issue.

It could very well be the proverbial straw which should not have made it upon the Camels back.

I for one would hate to see that...

anyway...

Kona, wind, sun, rocks and hills, its all good and don't beat yourself up.

Your good peoples, heck I haven't seen anyone here I find offensive or that I would consider anything but good people, even when I do not agree with them. After all I own my opinions, thoughts and feelings....

IPlural, I understand what you mean. But....when a wall is rejected people are urged to contact the moderator to improve or get criticism. Is that how this site works? Moderators know it all? No. They decide what gets approved. Lately I have seen so many click on my name threads to show theirs/hers current desktop. It would be a great idea to use this as a what do you think how to improve click thread and get some good constructive criticism, rather than the hahahaha you are not good enough response. > This is a community, well that's what is said here, but then try to be humble towards the newcomers and HELP them. And for "it should be in the skinning discussion page", I am sure people read this thread and will post in the skinning discussion page. Besides, I think it will become more popular if we are able to comment and help people with their work.

IP, I think we are in agreement in thinking a 'place' for interacting, mentoring for works in progress would be a good thing. It would be more of a community. What's a community? A place where people get together to pursue common interests, socialize, and help each other.
I don't particularly think the General Discussion area is the place to post 1-2 meg walls either. For a variety of reasons. One being loading issues for people on dialup. But an area set aside for that type of thing would be good, in my opinion. It's likely that, with this separate section, there would be less of the "hahahaha you are not good enough" responses, as the people going there would be more inclined to help.
One suggestion made, regarding Madice's idea, was to have a time limit on how long works could be up for review/critique. That would help eliminate the "I got my stuff on Wincustomize" problems you are speaking about, since works in that section would there for a limited time only.

#123 by ~Legolas - 9/18/2003 8:49:58 PM sometimes i type and when I read it back it not what I meant to say. I know better than to think everyone is against me. I just feel sometimes people pick on me alot more than others. Karmagirl loves to tear my posts apart and prove me wrong.

Kona, I told you before that I am not picking on you.  I disagree with you.  You need to learn what the difference is.  I don't agree with 99% of what you say.  So, I disagree.  You need to grow a thicker skin if you truly believe that everyone is against you, or you need to step back and figure out why you feel that way.

I just need to watch what i type and how I type I guess. I love this site TO DEATH and all of the products over at Satrdock.

Then, why don't you contribute to the site?  You have spoke up many times about the "wrongs" of the site, but all you have done is talk.  You have not submitted anything, nor purchased anything.  (That is why you are at level 2 and a citizen).  (BTW, you misspelled Stardock)

I've started, deleted, and started only to delete and walk away and come back to starting it all over again....


Ok, here's what I think about the thought of expanding this site to actually have a dedicated wall area.

It is not ever going to happen with people just making passing comments which ends up being a flaming tantrum in the end on both sides of the issue.

BUT...

Maybe if some people got together and actually put some time into showing some kind of model, a plan proving an ROI (not specifically money in saying that) which proves out the positives of such expansion. Those whom make the decisions would be more accepting of it.

Also, an overall plan while having it broken down into smaller parts where things could be added to or removed from, adjustments can be made and then people whom wish to be a part of it volunteer as needed to keep it running smoothly, while also those taking part in it or it's use are willing to help off set any extended costs for that specific addition to the site.

There might be a chance of it actually taking root.

But as I stated above, until people put something more than passing comments or tantrum bordering posts into it, it doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of happening.

Some already want it, everyone knows that, what has to be done is for those whom wish it enough to work on presenting, Is to give solid reasoning behind its existence and also to show a need for it in a positive manner. Then maybe those who make these kinds of choice will accept it as a positive addition and something to put the time, money and effort into it as they can, or they might actually decide they would like to see it happen also.

anyway....

None of the above negates the fact that posting Wall submissions in the message board is wrong because it is a flagrant dismissal of the set policies and procedures pertaining to Wall Submission on this site.

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I thought the WC Skinning messageboard was specifically for discussions about skinning and asking for help and getting assistance from other skinners. Wasn't that the entire point of setting up a skinning messageboard?

I recall (was it?) Madice's thread and then later the creation of the Help and Skinning messageboards which aren't getting used as much as they should because people continue to post such issues here in the "general talk about nothing, everything or just silly stuff and other OT discussions" messageboard.

And frankly, now that I've seen the works in question (I only could see red x's before for some reason) I simply cannot believe all this talk of Van Gogh, Matisse, Monet or whoever and "REAL graphic designers and artists," etc when all I'm looking at is a Big Pumpkin! Good Golly Miss Molly.

Right off the top of my head one person who I think might credibly be able to conduct a reasonable discussion about Art and those Impressionable fellows would probably be Lecrayon. (No slight to others and not that others couldn't but from the work I've seen I think something like Lecrayon's Fall wallpaper might do well as a print or painting in a museum or gallery at least IMO). And at least he certainly wouldn't be inviting implicit comparisons with those "REAL Artists" with just a freakin giant pumpkin and some dizzy spermatodes to his credit. Sheeeeesh!

Perspective, people, perspective!



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Perhaps in future threads such as this posted in the 'General' area will/should be deleted. They should be in the 'Help' board or maybe the 'Skinning' board.....as that is their intention....and the image/s SHOULD be linked or at best limited to preview size.....in order that they are not technically being distributed by the Wincustomize site itself....

They should be in the 'Help' board or maybe the 'Skinning' board.....as that is their intention....and the image/s SHOULD be linked or at best limited to preview size.....in order that they are not technically being distributed by the Wincustomize site itself....

hey you know, Jafo's got an idea there

Yeah, I like that idea.

WOW... I was at school yesterday and today and you guys went off the hizzy... I am sorry Iplural but I made sure I read everything you wrote and I have to disagree. Deviantart is not a comunity, it is a metropolis lost in its self right now. They are actually trying to work on fixing that, so I am told.

The fact is this. My pics I "link" here take 0 space and if the post dies then so does the exsistance of my picture. Meaning if 10 people say you need to work on this and that, then hey guess what, I am not going to submit it and I am going to work on this and that. If 10 people say wow you made some real improvements and that is worty of submiting then hey, I am going to submit. I do agree that I should not post the full version, which this time I didn't I posted a 650width image that "NOBODY" can use for a wallpaper. <<<

What's a community? A place where people get together to pursue common interests, socialize, and help each other.

Help each other, thats what i'm gonna do for you. Take some advice from someone new, keep your head down and your eyes and ears open. Listen to what these people have to say, they can help you alot. They have been around alot longer than me, and I pay attention.

One thing you have to remember is that this is a skinning community. Most people here only make the walls to accentuate their skinning works and themes. One thing I have learned here is, keep trying and eventually you will learn. As far as posting your work on another site instead of here, I say you should keep trying to improve your wall and get it posted here, just to show some that you can and will be successful! So I say keep the faith that you will succeed and keep trying different things, you may come up with a quality work of art, and show it to the world.

Sorry to ramble, but I have been following this for awhile, and thought you could use some cheerful words.



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yes, I thought I had that exact peice of artwork but it got moved...??? darn it...well check it over the skinnign board...

But I do have to say it kind of sounds like you worried about your moderation responsibilities perhaps going away, and I am saying that no matter how popular this process ever becomes, your job as a mod is still safe.

Number 1. I am not a moderator

Number 2. do as you like....

well it seems, that the consensus has went your way...