ChasUGC...to clarify...the last people to post a response were/are both site admins who tried [obviously in vain] to explain the situation and allay any fears/concerns of discrimination or vote-rigging or whatever.

The admins may or may not have 'issues' with some people but surprisingly are totally impartial to the handling of them or their work/s.

It's a level of professionalism perhaps only shown by those who are both volunteers and who also love the scene/community/field [whatever].

We are neither petty nor vindictive - the recent improvements/changes to upload management/handling is part of an on-going enhancement and perception of fairness, exemplified by the new, more mobile 'top authors' listing which is no longer monopolised by just a few names.

Oh...and the reference to 'black helicopters' is called a 'joke', as in humour, mirth, levity.....great for lightening the overall tone of a topic....guess that didn't get off the ground...[which is not good for helicopters...oh, cripes, another 'joke']...

I'm not taking a 'side' in this (as if there really is a side), but I do want to say something about updates. I've updated only one of my skins and that was my first - 'Entropy'. I don't remember how long after the original upload it was but it didn't really matter because when I read the upload page, it said to check 'reset date' only if it was a major update. It wasn't. It was to correct typical (most likely) noob skinner mistakes, omissions, etc. I've seen a lot of skins that are updated with the dates reset that seemed to me like cosmetic changes only.

Was the date reset to get them back at the top of the list? Maybe in some cases.

Was the date reset from ignorance on the uploaders part in not understanding what a major update entailed? Maybe in some cases.

Was getting the skin back at the top of the list a device to satisfy someone's desire for high download count? Maybe in some cases.

Perhaps there are some of us that skin because they enjoy it and if the dates or the counts are sometimes wrong, so what?
I'm not going to stop skinning because of some glitch or because of some megalomaniac. I continue because I like doing it and some people evidently like it also or they wouldn't download it.

ok, rant over

Do users have to pay to have their work hosted here? No? Then stfu lol.

/me rubs temples...

 

Being on the outside looking in can be a bit exasperating and confusing at times but that doesn’t make anyone stupid…just not informed is all.

Chas, no need to apologize to me…I was just feeling enough heat is all. He-he!

Chas, I’m going to explain why the admins changed the update thing-a-ma-jig from my own funky perception…okay?

1). Updates are treated (as I see) as ‘brand new and improved’ and therefore should only be showcased if the update is truly a major overhaul.
2). An older updated skin that has made a major revamp IS a remarkable and valid update and therefore deserves to be treated practically as a brand new skin.
3). At the end of the day people DID abuse the system (I saw this myself quite a bit on a day to day basis) whether purposely or out of ignorance… Even I updated some things myself that were fairly cosmetic on my very first newbie skin which is no longer on this site (I think I’ve updated 3 or 4 skins out of all of them that I’ve had here). One update was my Bow-Hunter cursor which was also cosmetic but did add some helpful features my previous version didn’t (thanks to Ingui) but it was never in the Updates section…in fact nothing I’ve updated has been in the updates section I’m pretty sure because my updates were usually pretty fast (because I know if I don’t update something soon then chances are I won’t get around to updating it).
4). If a fairly spankin’-new skin with a few tweaks gets shuffled back to the front of the deck over let’s say, ‘Jill’s new skin’ that has never been seen before and then Larry ups his new-skin with an update and that sinks Jill’s skin that much further down on the page and you get the idea…well, that would seem to me to be a bit unfair to Jill?
5). I’m not running this site so I can’t see what goes on behind the green curtain…all I can do is take someone’s word for it that they are doing right by people and hope that they mean it.

/me gives Chas a (((HUG))) and reminds him that the majority of people on this thread gave polite and helpful answers as best they could (just ignore the snotty ones). Nobody’s perfekt.


Black helicopters…I wonder…nahhhhhhhh!

Speaking of…”The admins may or may not have 'issues' with some people but surprisingly are totally impartial to the handling of them or their work/s.”

Hmm. I just noticed Master Apprentice on my info. How’d when/that happen? Another glitch? Spoke too soon!

#25 by Mr ChasUGC - 5/27/2003 7:08:07 PM ... Then, I get a lot of personal attacks calling me Dumb, a Paranoid Hysteric and other things. I'm going to be better than that and not respond anymore.

Oh, I see You were not attacking anyone in Your first post.

And for me there is a difference between calling someone dumb (which I didn't do) and calling something dumb someone says.
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/me hands Frogboy a cool ti cloth, a complimentary rubber room, and tickets to a good movie.

OOPS.... one for c242 too!

hehe sounds funny aloud...

Sheesh.......!

/me also rubs temples......

/me thinks there is a terrible communication problem from admins to members. When there is a change in handling skins/updates pleeeeeeeeease adjust these in the about section. If there are things not valid anymore in the about section, how on earth can people know? And if it shouldn't be in the about section, update the rules or something. Then you can point towards that, rather than having admins explain what is already known to them. An example how things can go terribly wrong is the top authors. It should have been applied after the testphase and not DURING the testphase, then an announcement has to go out plus update in the about or help section.

That is right. Lecrayon has a point there. Documentation/FAQ updates are a general weak point here, IMO.

Adam, without checking i dont know about this specific example. but i do know that the libraries are sorted. change how you sort the library, and different things turn up on page 1.

so, presumably the skin update updated the value that the library was being sorted on.

all right, i have just loaded the DesktopX library, and by default it sorted on "Updated". you can choose to sort it by "Created" instead.

so, if i am reading your question right, this is an example of a skin getting a new updated date. whether that is right or wrong i dont know, since i havent looked at that DesktopX theme. i hope this helps

Adam...that sounds like a bug....I think the application of dates etc is less than 100% successful...as I said earlir...I've had problems getting dates to 'stick'...

/me rubs everyone's temples for them, free of charge

The other idea is that there *might* actually be a bug in the code and it is not resetting dates for whatever reason.  (gasp!...horror!)   I think the T-Man is looking at it to make sure of it.

It could also be human error.  (I know...that's not allowed).  An admin can uncheck the reset date if they think it is being abused, which also means that they can accidentally hit that box.

My question is.  (And this is a general question) Why aren't these types of issues sent to the admins as a question before they are posted to the public forum?  If they were emailed, then we could look into the issue and fix it if need be after appropriate info has been obtained.  When it is posted publicly, it opens a whole can of worms involving a whole bunch of people who ultimately get mad at each other.

/me sits down to get her complimentary temple rub......

 

Point your black helicopters at me and do your will. That will teach people a lot about this site and the way it treats artists. I'm done submitting stuff to this site. I'm tired of the personal attacks. I'm tired of the people who submit no skins and slam other peoples work. I'm tired of people slamming others for having a different point of view. This isn't the type of community that I want to belong to, so have your fun with it. INSULT PEOPLE, RIP THEM APART, YOU DON"T HAVE TO THREATEN ME ANYMORE, I"M OUT OF HERE...(

From my point of view some of the things in that post were true. i will not say witch ones I think are right because i DON"T want to start another bloodbath and/or troll session.

I hope he comes back.

Author: IndyGirl1945


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Downloads: 362

Created: 5/22/2003
Updated: 5/23/2003



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Still practicing.Hope you like it.

Author: NIKER


File size: 1033k
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Created: 5/25/2003
Updated: 5/27/2003



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Hi... my first LogonXP theme ... I hope you'll like it... Sorry... I'm lame... tis spelled Hogwarts ENJOY

I'm sure I mentioned somewhere there was a bug in the update system...

Oh...and according to T-Man it is now fixed.

Date....30/05/2003 US time....31/05/2003 Aus time.

And yet again still no conspiracy...unless this bug had an agenda of its own, but quite frankly I don't speak 'bug-language' so cannot ask him [or her].

/me rubs temples along with the rest of the great unwashed...

ewwwww thier is that "bug" thing again.

/me washes just to get the bugs out of her head,


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I was going to say something on the subject but nevermind....I don't want to get a Migraine

Just in contrast, here's how Essorant handled the issue when he posted his "updated date problem" thread here on the 23rd regarding major updates not showing the new date: https://www.wincustomize.com/msgboard.asp?BID=WC&id=152060#152220

No suggestion of "hokey pokey" or adminstrative bias, just a problem that needed attention.

Author: n8chi


File size: 54k
Downloads today: 2
Downloads: 2

Created: 5/30/2003
Updated: 5/31/2003



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this clock goes great with the theme i'm uploading