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Pacov's favorite dg game replays

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Well, zen's got himself a nice thread going over here http://forums.demigodthegame.com/408072/page/3

Figure I'll join in.  I had a game tonight that, perhaps I was just in a good mood, but was quite a bit of fun.  You might want to watch this game just to ask yourself if you'd have been frustrated if you were me.  Then ask yourself if you are on the other team how fugging frustrated you must have been. 

It was a SUPER aggressive game... like the majority of each and EVERY encounter was to the death.  The sedna on my team was interesting to say the least.  No apparent understanding of sigils; no concept of getting healers (and it appeared to be a high level heal sedna no loss).  The other team eventually adopted a "LET'S KILL SEDNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" strategy... which is really a "pacov... make sure you have full mana and pack lots and lots of tps" strategy for me.  The best part of my no sigil sedna was how often he'd return at the right time for a kill. After being chased down and nearly killed (without a sigil or HEALERS no less), he'd be right back in there trying to pounce a speed da or ub... he saw me tp in, he'd turn around and give chase... even if he had like 800 hp.

Anyway, it was a really crazy game.  You'll notice some quick nonsense at the beginning where I tell my teammate I'm getting clerics only to find out he didn't grab monks, but beyond that... its just an entertaining game of the other team trying to gank over and over and mostly me running in to try to save and then gank myself.  It was nuts... my teammate would be about to die one second and doing silly things... then the next moment, going for a portal when he saw the opportunity.  Its actually a really solid game for me as well... I think I made 1 error in judgment the entire game (and it didn't cost us a thing... not referring to the silliness at the beginning of the game.. that was bad...).

Anyway, watch away if you like.  No mods required for this game.

CheesusCrust Forces of Light Lord Erebus 160 Won
mesoStoned Forces of Light Sedna 0 Lost *
UltraNoob33 Forces of Darkness Demon Assassin 55 Lost
etasan Forces of Darkness Unclean Beast 0 Lost *

 unfortunately, when etatsan quit before the game ended (like less than a minute) he took meso with him, so meso didn't get a win.

Link to the replay:  http://www.box.net/shared/oar44z8hh1peklsdkus8

7/18/2011 -new replay

going to add the 1v1 vs papp I was tricked into (DIE_MINION!!!! YOU AFK BASTARD!!).  Anyway, its 2 tier 1 folks fighting it out - I went reg vs tb, so slight adv to papp on dg selection.  Pretty solid play that gives everyone a nice example of a tb trying to juke mines from a reg (and a reg trying to adjust to stop throwing the mines and pick where I think tb will end up) and a reg trying to compensate for a hybrid tb with 2 interrupts.  Plus the usual reg trap fun.  If you don't play alot of reg, this would be a good game to watch for how I try to set traps... pretty sure I tried to set > 10 in this game.  TBH - I don't completely regret my decision to go early priests... part of me did it because I wanted to end the 1v1 (as it's not my fav game and pro 1v1's can take hours) and the other half of me was using it to distract ppap so he'd try to farm while I whittled down his towers by the portals.  In hindsight, I'd probably have been better off to go cur2 and stall.  I really don't suggest anyone go early (or late priests in a 1v1 unless you are up against someone with no aoe that hasn't picked up natures reck.  I choose to for the reasons above (strategic and suicidal).  ... anyway, here's the replay.  No mods required to view.  Adding this to the OP.

http://www.box.net/shared/f1y9ba44qr96nidjnk57

And just to clarify - the game was meant to be a 2v2 (zen+ppap vs pacov+die_minion).  Die minion was afk and zen agreed to stay at base until minion came back... which he never did... so it became a 1v1. 

And that said, ppap certainly beat me.  Outside of the priest decision, I certainly played my best.  Fun game and well played.  You can even see me still trying to work it out late game with him having giants.  I saw him linger after he got my portal before the tp, so I figured he probably couldn't relock or stop me from retaking.  LOVE seeing players being very strategic and keeping the push on.  Even after he fugged up by staying long enough for me to recap the portal.  Very little lag.  I think I wasn't able to adjust a total of 2 mine throws throughout the game.  And that's pretty good.  Sucks that I couldn't change them, but really... 2 misses because of lag the entire game is not so bad.  Great game.

 

 7/24/20111 - new replay

adding a replay so zen can't complain about my replays being crap anymore:

http://www.box.net/shared/a738r3ttapbdv5njfhhi

This one is me and mcbane vs nils and zen.

Mcshane and I get WAAAAYYY behind on ws and I change up tactics to harass the crap out of their portals (as I know we can't take them in combat).  So, I do my dance and distract the crap out of the them was much as possible.  Was a super fun game.  Ended with me and mcshane holding 3 portals and nils banging away on the citadel with giants, etc. If we had been able to stop 1 more wave of creeps we'd have probably won it.  Super fun game.  Adding to op.  If you want to see a super annoying sedna... watch

7/28/20111 - new replay

well, here we go.  A new replay.  This one is for you folks wondering about gaabriel.  He tore up rin and thunder a wee bit in a 2v2 game tonight. 

gaabriel Forces of Light Regulus 190 Won
CheesusCrust Forces of Light Sedna 120 Won
Thundercles Forces of Darkness Torch Bearer 40 Lost
TSK-Rin Forces of Darkness Queen of Thorns 0 Lost *

He bought cur1 and cur2.  Solid play throughout on his part.  He took HW and stole one wave from me.  Asked him to stop and he was 100% after that first wave.  No complaints.  Got to play lazy never die sedna and relax most of the game.

Anyway, his strat was pretty damn solid.  he was a low HP reg, but had a sigil pretty much 100% of the time after ws2 or 3.  He's fight and get fugged up... then run, getting close to the point of death.  I'd see this and light up my tp to come heal, he'd pop his sigil and his opponent would be forced to run thinkging FUUUUUGGGG.  Sigils are crap value when you only get 1500 or so out of it, but he milked it perfectly.  Folks generally assume there will be a pot to save more etc... but he always went for the good stuff even at a big cost to him.  It paid off.  Could hurt a hell of a lot in other games, but he scored quite a few solid kills using his kite (look at me I'm super low HP reg) and sigil method.

From playing this game, I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed.  Or maybe perhaps he's just much better in 2v2.  He did a great job and I pretty much was along for the ride. 

http://www.box.net/shared/k84drdcdo6x0bf3ktzyx


7/28/20111 - new replay

just had a fun 2v2.  thunder(hybrid tb) + pacov (never die sed (well i did die once :P )) vs zen's erb (he didn't just save for godplate to my chagrin) + ppap (hybrid tb).  My team lost.  I think the good things to watch were zen and ppap being super aggressive and mindful of the map for when to push and be obnoxious. I think I made a pretty solid decision pushing their portal when they were obssessed on trying to grab valor vs thunder.  I think I had a VERY solid strat then anyway.  I had just been "kinda" forced to run the crystal.  I figure they were expecting me to come back to mid and fight, so I immediately ported over to hp and ran to their portal.  They didn't even try to tp to me, so I'm pretty sure thunder put up a good show to keep their attention.  Its difficult in pro games to get sneaky, but I think I pulled that off without them figuring out what I was doing as it was a pretty quick move.

They obsessed early on tearing down the middle towers.  This is a GREAT end game strat as it means you can easily push for portals or valor.  I don't have any major complaints about how my team played.  I wish we'd have gotten giants as I had 2 waves pushing their cit solid at the end.  Giants MIGHT (and it a big might) have made a difference in us killing their cit before they killed ours.  I didn't really get to check thunders money situation out at the end, but I'd wager he was in the same boat as me (had 3800 or so when the game ended).  I figured I needed to keep my kit, but in hindsight, they left me solo their cit for a bit, so I probably could have sold). 

Other thoughts - I love that ppap can be made to obsess about siege archers, etc.  He did a pretty solid job of handling them as I tried to walk them by him, but I, as a rule, just let those fuggers tear down my towers if I have to.  I usually view leveling up and getting flag control as a higher priority than dicking around with the little guys.  That said, I probably should have grabbed natures reck to compensate a bit as it was clear it was going to be archer fun from zen.

I also love and hate this sedna build.  I absolutely hate lacking the dps I get from my fu die sedna build.  I get that I really need to go with live forever sed in 2v2, but so often I'm thinking... wow.. I just pounced for 400 and they have 3k hp... wooo... check me out.  I can silence them now and my teammate only needed to magically do 2600 dmg.  fing low dmg build.  Still... live forever is nice.  But also boring... had a moment where it was me vs zen for like 2-3 minutes i think... him expecting me to run out of mana and run, me knowing I'd never get an adv on him, but there was no reason to run.  Pretty boring, but oh well. 

Here you go if you like:

http://www.box.net/shared/caaebnvjnlcy70rmrujp

 

 

 

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Reply #151 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 148
Oh - and I can now beat a level 15 occ 1v1 with a level 15 sedna. What's your problem, nils (zen's occ btw)?
End of OMG_pacov's quote
the way zen and i did it u cant win.. start lvl 15 with regular gear and then fight at mid flag and see who has to retreat... nothing else

Reply #152 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 151
the way zen and i did it u cant win.. start lvl 15 with regular gear and then fight at mid flag and see who has to retreat... nothing else
End of nnnils's quote

Perhaps the variable is "regular gear" here.  Pretty sure you'd need to do something a little "irregular" to compensate for all that dmg.  Otherwise I completely agree that you can't go toe to toe.  Anyway, I think we are looking at this from different angles anyway.  You guys appear just to be talking about the hypothetical dmg scenario with typical items.  I just came up with a way to outlast occ and not have to retreat assuming that occ goes with a typical item build... both cases are probably irrelevant in the context of a 1v1 anyway, though, so w/e.

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Reply #153 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 152

Quoting nnnils, reply 151the way zen and i did it u cant win.. start lvl 15 with regular gear and then fight at mid flag and see who has to retreat... nothing else
Perhaps the variable is "regular gear" here.  Pretty sure you'd need to do something a little "irregular" to compensate for all that dmg.  Otherwise I completely agree that you can't go toe to toe.  Anyway, I think we are looking at this from different angles anyway.  You guys appear just to be talking about the hypothetical dmg scenario with typical items.  I just came up with a way to outlast occ and not have to retreat assuming that occ goes with a typical item build... both cases are probably irrelevant in the context of a 1v1 anyway, though, so w/e.
End of OMG_pacov's quote
what other items do you get?

Reply #154 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 153

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 152
Quoting nnnils, reply 151the way zen and i did it u cant win.. start lvl 15 with regular gear and then fight at mid flag and see who has to retreat... nothing else
Perhaps the variable is "regular gear" here.  Pretty sure you'd need to do something a little "irregular" to compensate for all that dmg.  Otherwise I completely agree that you can't go toe to toe.  Anyway, I think we are looking at this from different angles anyway.  You guys appear just to be talking about the hypothetical dmg scenario with typical items.  I just came up with a way to outlast occ and not have to retreat assuming that occ goes with a typical item build... both cases are probably irrelevant in the context of a 1v1 anyway, though, so w/e. what other items do you get?
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Reply #155 from Demigod Forums Top

xD

Reply #156 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 154
ashkandor and bulwark
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shhhhh

Reply #157 from Demigod Forums Top

Bracelet of rage, of course. +300 damage and lots of minion damage can take anything out (Including citadel).

Reply #158 from Demigod Forums Top

furthermore, it's not just "oh look I have three helms that let me beat the other Sedna". If you're destroying me but you're vulnerable to the damage from my other teammate(s), I just call out a lane-switch. More mana doesn't let you cast your spells faster. 

Blast Off! is interuptable with pounce as well... just have to learn whether you do CL > BO! or BO! > CL and time accordingly... 

 

And, like I posted before but it got wiped, it won't be reallyyyy 15 v 15 with equal gold and items and stuff. Sedna will be winning at level 1, and until level 10 (esp with targeting abuse). She's still can carry that advantage around. 

Reply #159 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 158
furthermore, it's not just "oh look I have three helms that let me beat the other Sedna". If you're destroying me but you're vulnerable to the damage from my other teammate(s), I just call out a lane-switch. More mana doesn't let you cast your spells faster.

Blast Off! is interuptable with pounce as well... just have to learn whether you do CL > BO! or BO! > CL and time accordingly...



And, like I posted before but it got wiped, it won't be reallyyyy 15 v 15 with equal gold and items and stuff. Sedna will be winning at level 1, and until level 10 (esp with targeting abuse). She's still can carry that advantage around.
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everything is different in team fights. but the point of argument was: can lvl 15 sedna push a lvl 15 occ. the answer is no

but to add to your argument, so can the teammates of occulus ;)

Reply #160 from Demigod Forums Top

sure so can Occ's teammate but then they are 'reacting', not being 'proactive'. It's common sense if someone is kitting themself out just to /kill you/ then maybe you should not fight them and let your teammate do it? 

If you saw "push" as in "in a lane" of course not. Sedna can't push anyone level 15 due to Giants. Okay, fine. DA. Maybe. 

And it still isn't going to be "level 15 sedna" and "level 15 occulus". Unless the Sedna goes shopping more often, Sedna's team loses control of the XP flag, or the Occulus starts to double the creep waves, Occulus stays behind. Once they are behind, you get timing windows (eg, Sedna's level 5 / 6 timing windows are way better than Occ's). Occulus won't fall behind in gold due to Chain Lightning ofc.

 

Reply #161 from Demigod Forums Top

sedna can push ub easily

Reply #162 from Demigod Forums Top

Sure, I would consider Sedna to be the second-best against UB in a purely theoretical standpoint. (Rook being best). 

However, she isn't going to be pushing a mana-side overlevel'd UB with a kill or two in his pocket and didn't buy any citadel upgrades around in a lane with giants. Which is what I mean when I talk about "pushing". Early game whoever gets the health flag typically keeps it unless they have a strong timing window (level 4 erebus, level 5 sedna). So when I talk about pushing I'm usually not talking about low or mid-level pushing when there are really no creeps out, which Sedna is pretty good at doing to enemy generals. When I say "push" I'm usually assuming level 10 or so and at least catapults on the field. 

So she can't really "push" him. But certainly endure him when the circumstances allow it (eg, out of a creep lane and not a massive disparity in items and levels). 

 

 

Reply #163 from Demigod Forums Top

This is a random spot to say this but I didn't think it was worth a whole post on it's own...

Anyone remember this premade?  http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/821973/player/75283/  

They were decent years ago, and that gaabriel guy is back, so if anyone sees him out there might be fun to try to get him into some experienced games if you can; see if we can save someone.  

Reply #164 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 163
This is a random spot to say this but I didn't think it was worth a whole post on it's own...

Anyone remember this premade?  http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/821973/player/75283/  

They were decent years ago, and that gaabriel guy is back, so if anyone sees him out there might be fun to try to get him into some experienced games if you can; see if we can save someone.  
End of GM-McShane87's quote
i'm always organizing high lvl games when i'm not at work. had some fun matches with orcun the other night, wish i could reach you and renz somehow

Reply #165 from Demigod Forums Top

They were decent years ago, and that gaabriel guy is back, so if anyone sees him out there might be fun to try to get him into some experienced games if you can; see if we can save someone.  

We played some games with him and pacov. The guy is still decent (except I don't think buying +dmg gloves and rushing unsuspecting Rooks is a great idea for Sedna), but his connection utterly sucks. Like, he drops in ~70% of the games.

 

wish i could reach you and renz somehow

Eh? I see renz and Shane (both as himself and his nana alter ego) online quite frequently.

Reply #166 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG__IN1, reply 165
Eh? I see renz and Shane (both as himself and his nana alter ego) online quite frequently.
End of OMG__IN1's quote
well they're never around when needed^^

Reply #167 from Demigod Forums Top

well they're never around when needed^^

They just don't want to be stomped by the likes of nnnils and zzzen_god in 2v2 w/ normal towers, I guess! ;) I can actually picture renz smoking his hash and ignoring your PMs with evil grin.

 

Just kidding, but when I think about it... My own evaluation always was both renz and Shane are totally amazing in 3v3, yet "only" very good in 2v2. Or maybe it's something I've just made up, dunno :)

Reply #168 from Demigod Forums Top

That's a proper evaluation for me, but renz is totally amazing whether it's 2v2 or 7v7, whatever you wanna play he'll dominate.    :P

Reply #169 from Demigod Forums Top

That's a proper evaluation for me, but renz is totally amazing whether it's 2v2 or 7v7, whatever you wanna play he'll dominate.    :P

Oh, really? I swear I can ruin any 2v2 for renz, provided we are on the same side ;) Also, he disregards the towers and slams his teammates when drunk!

Reply #170 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yeah - I like gabe.  Nice guy.  I don't recollect his connect being crap, but in1 is probably right.  Same with the assessment of his decision making - he's a bit unorthodox. 

Need to get some ggs soon though - thread is due for some new replays. 

Reply #171 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG__IN1, reply 167
Or maybe it's something I've just made up, dunno
End of OMG__IN1's quote
yep you made it up. 

Reply #172 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 164
i'm always organizing high lvl games when i'm not at work.
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote
im glad ur trying :D cuz most of the time we both are just sitting alone in our lobbies and chatting^^

Reply #173 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 172

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 164i'm always organizing high lvl games when i'm not at work.im glad ur trying cuz most of the time we both are just sitting alone in our lobbies and chatting^^
End of nnnils's quote
well soon you will take charge of the high lvl games in this game, padawan

Reply #174 from Demigod Forums Top

well, here we go.  A new replay.  This one is for you folks wondering about gaabriel.  He tore up ppap and thunder a wee bit in a 2v2 game tonight.  He bought cur1 and cur2.  Solid play throughout on his part.  He took HW and stole one wave from me.  Asked him to stop and he was 100% after that first wave.  No complaints.  Got to play lazy never die sedna and relax most of the game.

Anyway, his strat was pretty damn solid.  he was a low HP reg, but had a sigil pretty much 100% of the time after ws2 or 3.  He's fight and get fugged up... then run, getting close to the point of death.  I'd see this and light up my tp to come heal, he'd pop his sigil and his opponent would be forced to run thinkging FUUUUUGGGG.  Sigils are crap value when you only get 1500 or so out of it, but he milked it perfectly.  Folks generally assume there will be a pot to save more etc... but he always went for the good stuff even at a big cost to him.  It paid off.  Could hurt a hell of a lot in other games, but he scored quite a few solid kills using his kite (look at me I'm super low HP reg) and sigil method.

From playing this game, I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed.  Or maybe perhaps he's just much better in 2v2.  He did a great job and I pretty much was along for the ride. 

http://www.box.net/shared/k84drdcdo6x0bf3ktzyx

Reply #175 from Demigod Forums Top

just had a fun 2v2.  thunder(hybrid tb) + pacov (never die sed (well i did die once :P )) vs zen's erb (he didn't just save for godplate to my chagrin) + ppap (hybrid tb).  My team lost.  I think the good things to watch were zen and ppap being super aggressive and mindful of the map for when to push and be obnoxious. I think I made a pretty solid decision pushing their portal when they were obssessed on trying to grab valor vs thunder.  I think I had a VERY solid strat then anyway.  I had just been "kinda" forced to run the crystal.  I figure they were expecting me to come back to mid and fight, so I immediately ported over to hp and ran to their portal.  They didn't even try to tp to me, so I'm pretty sure thunder put up a good show to keep their attention.  Its difficult in pro games to get sneaky, but I think I pulled that off without them figuring out what I was doing as it was a pretty quick move.

They obsessed early on tearing down the middle towers.  This is a GREAT end game strat as it means you can easily push for portals or valor.  I don't have any major complaints about how my team played.  I wish we'd have gotten giants as I had 2 waves pushing their cit solid at the end.  Giants MIGHT (and it a big might) have made a difference in us killing their cit before they killed ours.  I didn't really get to check thunders money situation out at the end, but I'd wager he was in the same boat as me (had 3800 or so when the game ended).  I figured I needed to keep my kit, but in hindsight, they left me solo their cit for a bit, so I probably could have sold). 

Other thoughts - I love that ppap can be made to obsess about siege archers, etc.  He did a pretty solid job of handling them as I tried to walk them by him, but I, as a rule, just let those fuggers tear down my towers if I have to.  I usually view leveling up and getting flag control as a higher priority than dicking around with the little guys.  That said, I probably should have grabbed natures reck to compensate a bit as it was clear it was going to be archer fun from zen.

I also love and hate this sedna build.  I absolutely hate lacking the dps I get from my fu die sedna build.  I get that I really need to go with live forever sed in 2v2, but so often I'm thinking... wow.. I just pounced for 400 and they have 3k hp... wooo... check me out.  I can silence them now and my teammate only needed to magically do 2600 dmg.  fing low dmg build.  Still... live forever is nice.  But also boring... had a moment where it was me vs zen for like 2-3 minutes i think... him expecting me to run out of mana and run, me knowing I'd never get an adv on him, but there was no reason to run.  Pretty boring, but oh well. 

Here you go if you like:

http://www.box.net/shared/caaebnvjnlcy70rmrujp