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Pacov's favorite dg game replays

Pacov's favorite dg game replays

Well, zen's got himself a nice thread going over here http://forums.demigodthegame.com/408072/page/3

Figure I'll join in.  I had a game tonight that, perhaps I was just in a good mood, but was quite a bit of fun.  You might want to watch this game just to ask yourself if you'd have been frustrated if you were me.  Then ask yourself if you are on the other team how fugging frustrated you must have been. 

It was a SUPER aggressive game... like the majority of each and EVERY encounter was to the death.  The sedna on my team was interesting to say the least.  No apparent understanding of sigils; no concept of getting healers (and it appeared to be a high level heal sedna no loss).  The other team eventually adopted a "LET'S KILL SEDNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" strategy... which is really a "pacov... make sure you have full mana and pack lots and lots of tps" strategy for me.  The best part of my no sigil sedna was how often he'd return at the right time for a kill. After being chased down and nearly killed (without a sigil or HEALERS no less), he'd be right back in there trying to pounce a speed da or ub... he saw me tp in, he'd turn around and give chase... even if he had like 800 hp.

Anyway, it was a really crazy game.  You'll notice some quick nonsense at the beginning where I tell my teammate I'm getting clerics only to find out he didn't grab monks, but beyond that... its just an entertaining game of the other team trying to gank over and over and mostly me running in to try to save and then gank myself.  It was nuts... my teammate would be about to die one second and doing silly things... then the next moment, going for a portal when he saw the opportunity.  Its actually a really solid game for me as well... I think I made 1 error in judgment the entire game (and it didn't cost us a thing... not referring to the silliness at the beginning of the game.. that was bad...).

Anyway, watch away if you like.  No mods required for this game.

CheesusCrust Forces of Light Lord Erebus 160 Won
mesoStoned Forces of Light Sedna 0 Lost *
UltraNoob33 Forces of Darkness Demon Assassin 55 Lost
etasan Forces of Darkness Unclean Beast 0 Lost *

 unfortunately, when etatsan quit before the game ended (like less than a minute) he took meso with him, so meso didn't get a win.

Link to the replay:  http://www.box.net/shared/oar44z8hh1peklsdkus8

7/18/2011 -new replay

going to add the 1v1 vs papp I was tricked into (DIE_MINION!!!! YOU AFK BASTARD!!).  Anyway, its 2 tier 1 folks fighting it out - I went reg vs tb, so slight adv to papp on dg selection.  Pretty solid play that gives everyone a nice example of a tb trying to juke mines from a reg (and a reg trying to adjust to stop throwing the mines and pick where I think tb will end up) and a reg trying to compensate for a hybrid tb with 2 interrupts.  Plus the usual reg trap fun.  If you don't play alot of reg, this would be a good game to watch for how I try to set traps... pretty sure I tried to set > 10 in this game.  TBH - I don't completely regret my decision to go early priests... part of me did it because I wanted to end the 1v1 (as it's not my fav game and pro 1v1's can take hours) and the other half of me was using it to distract ppap so he'd try to farm while I whittled down his towers by the portals.  In hindsight, I'd probably have been better off to go cur2 and stall.  I really don't suggest anyone go early (or late priests in a 1v1 unless you are up against someone with no aoe that hasn't picked up natures reck.  I choose to for the reasons above (strategic and suicidal).  ... anyway, here's the replay.  No mods required to view.  Adding this to the OP.

http://www.box.net/shared/f1y9ba44qr96nidjnk57

And just to clarify - the game was meant to be a 2v2 (zen+ppap vs pacov+die_minion).  Die minion was afk and zen agreed to stay at base until minion came back... which he never did... so it became a 1v1. 

And that said, ppap certainly beat me.  Outside of the priest decision, I certainly played my best.  Fun game and well played.  You can even see me still trying to work it out late game with him having giants.  I saw him linger after he got my portal before the tp, so I figured he probably couldn't relock or stop me from retaking.  LOVE seeing players being very strategic and keeping the push on.  Even after he fugged up by staying long enough for me to recap the portal.  Very little lag.  I think I wasn't able to adjust a total of 2 mine throws throughout the game.  And that's pretty good.  Sucks that I couldn't change them, but really... 2 misses because of lag the entire game is not so bad.  Great game.

 

 7/24/20111 - new replay

adding a replay so zen can't complain about my replays being crap anymore:

http://www.box.net/shared/a738r3ttapbdv5njfhhi

This one is me and mcbane vs nils and zen.

Mcshane and I get WAAAAYYY behind on ws and I change up tactics to harass the crap out of their portals (as I know we can't take them in combat).  So, I do my dance and distract the crap out of the them was much as possible.  Was a super fun game.  Ended with me and mcshane holding 3 portals and nils banging away on the citadel with giants, etc. If we had been able to stop 1 more wave of creeps we'd have probably won it.  Super fun game.  Adding to op.  If you want to see a super annoying sedna... watch

7/28/20111 - new replay

well, here we go.  A new replay.  This one is for you folks wondering about gaabriel.  He tore up rin and thunder a wee bit in a 2v2 game tonight. 

gaabriel Forces of Light Regulus 190 Won
CheesusCrust Forces of Light Sedna 120 Won
Thundercles Forces of Darkness Torch Bearer 40 Lost
TSK-Rin Forces of Darkness Queen of Thorns 0 Lost *

He bought cur1 and cur2.  Solid play throughout on his part.  He took HW and stole one wave from me.  Asked him to stop and he was 100% after that first wave.  No complaints.  Got to play lazy never die sedna and relax most of the game.

Anyway, his strat was pretty damn solid.  he was a low HP reg, but had a sigil pretty much 100% of the time after ws2 or 3.  He's fight and get fugged up... then run, getting close to the point of death.  I'd see this and light up my tp to come heal, he'd pop his sigil and his opponent would be forced to run thinkging FUUUUUGGGG.  Sigils are crap value when you only get 1500 or so out of it, but he milked it perfectly.  Folks generally assume there will be a pot to save more etc... but he always went for the good stuff even at a big cost to him.  It paid off.  Could hurt a hell of a lot in other games, but he scored quite a few solid kills using his kite (look at me I'm super low HP reg) and sigil method.

From playing this game, I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed.  Or maybe perhaps he's just much better in 2v2.  He did a great job and I pretty much was along for the ride. 

http://www.box.net/shared/k84drdcdo6x0bf3ktzyx


7/28/20111 - new replay

just had a fun 2v2.  thunder(hybrid tb) + pacov (never die sed (well i did die once :P )) vs zen's erb (he didn't just save for godplate to my chagrin) + ppap (hybrid tb).  My team lost.  I think the good things to watch were zen and ppap being super aggressive and mindful of the map for when to push and be obnoxious. I think I made a pretty solid decision pushing their portal when they were obssessed on trying to grab valor vs thunder.  I think I had a VERY solid strat then anyway.  I had just been "kinda" forced to run the crystal.  I figure they were expecting me to come back to mid and fight, so I immediately ported over to hp and ran to their portal.  They didn't even try to tp to me, so I'm pretty sure thunder put up a good show to keep their attention.  Its difficult in pro games to get sneaky, but I think I pulled that off without them figuring out what I was doing as it was a pretty quick move.

They obsessed early on tearing down the middle towers.  This is a GREAT end game strat as it means you can easily push for portals or valor.  I don't have any major complaints about how my team played.  I wish we'd have gotten giants as I had 2 waves pushing their cit solid at the end.  Giants MIGHT (and it a big might) have made a difference in us killing their cit before they killed ours.  I didn't really get to check thunders money situation out at the end, but I'd wager he was in the same boat as me (had 3800 or so when the game ended).  I figured I needed to keep my kit, but in hindsight, they left me solo their cit for a bit, so I probably could have sold). 

Other thoughts - I love that ppap can be made to obsess about siege archers, etc.  He did a pretty solid job of handling them as I tried to walk them by him, but I, as a rule, just let those fuggers tear down my towers if I have to.  I usually view leveling up and getting flag control as a higher priority than dicking around with the little guys.  That said, I probably should have grabbed natures reck to compensate a bit as it was clear it was going to be archer fun from zen.

I also love and hate this sedna build.  I absolutely hate lacking the dps I get from my fu die sedna build.  I get that I really need to go with live forever sed in 2v2, but so often I'm thinking... wow.. I just pounced for 400 and they have 3k hp... wooo... check me out.  I can silence them now and my teammate only needed to magically do 2600 dmg.  fing low dmg build.  Still... live forever is nice.  But also boring... had a moment where it was me vs zen for like 2-3 minutes i think... him expecting me to run out of mana and run, me knowing I'd never get an adv on him, but there was no reason to run.  Pretty boring, but oh well. 

Here you go if you like:

http://www.box.net/shared/caaebnvjnlcy70rmrujp

 

 

 

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Reply #176 Top

I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed. 

Yes, I think so. I've played with gaab as both, and while his Sed is just okay (God knows I love bold experiments, but I still have nightmares about those +dmg gloves), his Reg is very good. Maybe it's just that high-risk playstyle that doesn't pay off very well with Sed -- she's reactive and conservative by definition.

Reply #177 Top

Just curious - was it a 3v3 or a 2v2?  I'd think the way he was playing reg could be awful painful for him in a 3v3, but it seemed extremely well suited for the dgs we were up against and a 2v2.

Reply #178 Top

3v3. He wasn't playing the build you described, but an aggressive risky Reg, nevertheless.

Reply #179 Top

I played a great 1v1 vs gaabriel a couple of days ago as fire tb vs his reg - yes his reg was pretty good. Got the replay somewhere if anyone is interested.

Reply #180 Top

I tested him on different occasions in a game of how he would react. He's definitely a skilled player,  once he gets more games in with high lvl players I can see having another tier 1 player for the dead "pro games"

Reply #181 Top

I tested him on different occasions 

You mean, you tasted him with your UB on different occasions, and he tastes like a pro.

Reply #182 Top

Quoting OMG__IN1, reply 181
You mean, you tasted him with your UB on different occasions, and he tastes like a pro.
End of OMG__IN1's quote
i actually was on his team^^

Reply #183 Top

i actually was on his team^^

Ahhh, Zen, when I'm on your team I feel invincible!

Reply #184 Top

Quoting OMG__IN1, reply 183
Ahhh, Zen, when I'm on your team I feel invincible!
End of OMG__IN1's quote
me too :P

Reply #185 Top

me too :P

Yes? All right, l'll heal, dunno, rawrrr next time, then!

Btw, I hope his comeback yesterday was not a short-lived one. 

Reply #186 Top

7/28/20111 - new replay
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great replay, first blood after 30 minutes always rules. Was suprised with Zen's build, but those uber-demolishers did so a good work with getting towers down

Reply #187 Top

Quoting oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo, reply 186

7/28/20111 - new replay
 

great replay, first blood after 30 minutes always rules. Was suprised with Zen's build, but those uber-demolishers did so a good work with getting towers down
End of oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo's quote
yeah i'm testing the pluses on all generals. hey if it works for queen so well why not for the others ;D

Reply #188 Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 187
yeah i'm testing the pluses on all generals. hey if it works for queen so well why not for the others
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

how many points of morale are you trying out on occ?

Reply #189 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 188

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 187yeah i'm testing the pluses on all generals. hey if it works for queen so well why not for the others
how many points of morale are you trying out on occ?
End of OMG_pacov's quote
full if possible. I do prioritize the zap and minotaur skill though with 1 point in the double jump. You guys should try it and let me know what you think.

Reply #190 Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 187

Quoting oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo, reply 186
7/28/20111 - new replay
 
uber-demolishers did so a good work with getting towers down yeah i'm testing the pluses on all generals. hey if it works for queen so well why not for the others
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

uggg.... I'll tell you why with an example to test on the stats for whatever permutation of minions/idols/morale you are using vs skills.

Yeti I

30 + 30 * 0.6 = 36 DPS for 1 point

This is pretty much the best case scenario, because armor is low early on

Noe compare something like Pen: 200 up front damage every 7 seconds

So you eat 200 damage upfront, and the best case scenario that cannot possibly happen is your yetis are doing damage at the same time.

By the time you eat the second pen for 400 damage total, you've only done 252 damage (not even mitigated yet).

It really only gets worse from there, as armor mitigation hits around 35% @ 10 with Nimoth alone.

The only Demigods that can consistently out damage skills with minions are LE and QoT because of the armor reduction bonuses.

LE gets alot for 1 skill point (6 minions) so morale goes alot further for him.

QoT gets ranged AoE firepower and rarely misses with the 1 point of shamblers.

Unless Sedna & Occ get at least 3x the DPS for their minions at skill IV, they will never ever come remotely close to doing enough damage with minions compared to skills.

Oak would be equally awesome as LE and QoT if his spirits could actually hit moving demigods.

Of course, if you can actually threaten a demigod with minions using QoT or LE: Nimoth+ Scale pretty much ruins your day.

 

Reply #191 Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 190

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 187
Quoting oO-DreamCatcheR-Oo, reply 186
7/28/20111 - new replay
 
uber-demolishers did so a good work with getting towers down yeah i'm testing the pluses on all generals. hey if it works for queen so well why not for the others
uggg.... I'll tell you why with an example to test on the stats for whatever permutation of minions/idols/morale you are using vs skills.

Yeti I

30 + 30 * 0.6 = 36 DPS for 1 point

This is pretty much the best case scenario, because armor is low early on

Noe compare something like Pen: 200 up front damage every 7 seconds

So you eat 200 damage upfront, and the best case scenario that cannot possibly happen is your yetis are doing damage at the same time.

By the time you eat the second pen for 400 damage total, you've only done 252 damage (not even mitigated yet).

It really only gets worse from there, as armor mitigation hits around 35% @ 10 with Nimoth alone.

The only Demigods that can consistently out damage skills with minions are LE and QoT because of the armor reduction bonuses.

LE gets alot for 1 skill point (6 minions) so morale goes alot further for him.

QoT gets ranged AoE firepower and rarely misses with the 1 point of shamblers.

Unless Sedna & Occ get at least 3x the DPS for their minions at skill IV, they will never ever come remotely close to doing enough damage with minions compared to skills.

Oak would be equally awesome as LE and QoT if his spirits could actually hit moving demigods.

Of course, if you can actually threaten a demigod with minions using QoT or LE: Nimoth+ Scale pretty much ruins your day.

 
End of LORD-ORION's quote

well i'm only using demolitioners and bishops to do the damage and put no skill points for the other minions that come with the general.

A. they hit moving targets.

B. they are ranged

C. have a really big hp pool

D. can heal you and themselves and kill towers from a safe distance.

 

So i would never have yetis. Also i would have full pent and the demos plus bishops doing the damage.