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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Decision Making Panel Discussions

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The 2nd Demigod Community Tournament - Decision Making Panel Discussions

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The purpose of this thread is to contain discussions made by the decision making panel pertaining to the 2nd Demigod Community Tournament.  Per the rules and registration thread http://forums.impulsedriven.com/396231, here are some more details about the panel.

Decision Making Panel

This tournament will be governed by a decision making panel consisting of pacov, McShane, hedgie with jongalt as an alternate.  The panel's purpose is as follows:

  • Review any scheduling issues and making the final decisions with regards to disqualification. 
  • Reviewing replays as required (crashes and desyncs)
  • Resolving any disputes that arise

The panel's decision on all matters will be the final word for this tournament. And last, the members of the decision making panel will not make any decisions on the games they are playing in.  We didn't have a panel in place for the first tournament and that was a mistake.

So, if you have a game that requires reviewing, etc, please post here.

Current discussion:  What team combinations will be allowed in the final 4?  Discussion over.

quick summary

team 1 v team 4, team 2 v team 3

All games are best 2 out of 3 elimination. So, we only have a semi-finals and finals round now.

Whatever team is on light in game 1 will choose from the list of acceptable team combos.

Whatever team is on light in game 2 (teams will rotate sides) will choose a different option from the list of acceptable team combos.

If there is a game 3, the remaining dg combo must be used.

Here are the combos:

QoT, erebus, UB
Rook-Reg-Erebus
ub tb erebus

So, we'll just make this quite official, then - and I think its a simple compromise that should keep all parties quite happy.

Teams in the final 4 portion of our tournament will have the option of 1) sticking with the original character selection rules or 2) going with the mirror match selection.  Before teams start their games, they will briefly discuss the option they want to go with.  If the teams do not agree, then they will stick the original demigod selection rules as listed in the rules and registration thread; however, once the teams have agreed on the character selection rules, they will stick with those rules for that match (eg either you stick with the old rules for the best 2 out of 3 or you stick with the mirror match rules for the best 2 out of 3).  These rules apply for both the semi-finals and the finals. 

That should hopefully take care of it. 

The semi finals MUST be completed by Tuesday at midnight (or at least be in progress at that point).  If you make it to the finals, you will be expected to play in the finals no later than Thursday at midnight.  If the games have not taken place by that point, disqualifications will occur.  Disqualifications will be determined based on teams making a logical effort to get their games in.  Hoping you get your game in and not being willing to schedule will result in a disqualification if you do not meet those deadlines.  The easiest way to avoid that is to simply speak with your team and make a post in the scheduling thread based on your availability.  I'd hope to see a little more effort than "we hope everyone is on when we are" because if that is all the effort that is put into it, you will likely be disqualified.  Avoid that by making an effort. 

edit - and just another reminder, all teams MUST use the latest version of uberfix 1.03 for the semi-finals and finals - linky:  http://uberfix.googlecode.com/files/Uberfix%201.03.exe

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Reply #26 from Stardock Forums Top

I'm not sure about the bracket idea at this point, but I really do like the idea of having scheduled games.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 22

We still need to discuss about the teams that have played games but didn't meet a quota. I think that there needs to be "some" action, and I'm suggesting a form of probation. This is something that we may need to deal with in later weeks too (eg, Team C is really just flat out busy that week and didn't get a chance to play as much as they should).
Agreed that we need to decide what to do.  It can get a little tricky, though.  For instance, my team, which was on pretty much every single night for 2 weeks just barely got in 7 total games (and that's because several teams popped up at the last minute ready to play).  I just think a lot of this is going to be on a case by case basis.  If my team only ended up with 4 games played at the end of 2 weeks, should we have gone on probation?  I'd say no, because there is clear and documented effort to get games. 
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I'd say yes because I don't think you tried that hard.  I mean even on the weekends you don't seem to have your full team on until 10 or 11 at night.  You're making a clear effort to have teams play you on your terms, haven't really seen an effort to work with people in other time zones.  Last night Renzo stayed up really late so we could finish our set against nnils, with how late your team usually shows up it's been difficult for us to play you.  I usually don't like to play until I've had a nice big dinner, but on days I don't have school I've been at least getting on vent early to try to find the European teams.

Personally I'm not expecting the tournament to fit into my routine Demigod schedule.  Should have to make sacrifices to be champion!

(edit-keep in mind I'm saying that to your team, not Pacov in particular, I know it's always you sitting on vent waiting for them.)

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 27




I'd say yes because I don't think you tried that hard.  I mean even on the weekends you don't seem to have your full team on until 10 or 11 at night.  You're making a clear effort to have teams play you on your terms, haven't really seen an effort to work with people in other time zones.  Last night Renzo stayed up really late so we could finish our set against nnils, with how late your team usually shows up it's been difficult for us to play you.  I usually don't like to play until I've had a nice big dinner, but on days I don't have school I've been at least getting on vent early to try to find the European teams.

Personally I'm not expecting the tournament to fit into my routine Demigod schedule.  Should have to make sacrifices to be champion!

(edit-keep in mind I'm saying that to your team, not Pacov in particular, I know it's always you sitting on vent waiting for them.)
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BS! I was unavailable Friday because I had plans, but our team has been available well before 9 pm eastern at least 7 out of the last 14 or so tourney days, waiting in the game for people to sign in as well as chilling in vent waiting for teams to appear, This includes weekends.............. Nothing, The few times teams were available they refused to play us. 

Out of the last 14 days, we were defiantly available at least 10 of the days, for at least a couple hours, sometime in the evening

You have no idea what you are talking about Shane and have no idea how frustrated out team has been.

 

Don't refer to Fri. As an normal night, its an outlier.

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

I think that probation should be applied regardless of whether or not you showed sufficient effort. Really, you get DQ'd if you don't show sufficient effort and you get probated if you did.

Probation is still a punishment but it's not a "bad" one in that it's not like you have to gimp yourself with demigod selection or whatnot, it's just saying "hey you, you better get games in or you're out". 

Reply #30 from Stardock Forums Top

Ok - so here is what we are going with:

Ok - we'll go with the elimination of those 4 - we'll give them until Wed to respond or tell us what they are doing to get the games in, but I think we won't get any response (vote of 3-0)
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All teams that are below the 6 game threshold will go on "probation."  We'll still handle teams on a case by case basis, but the expectation is that each team is expected to play 6 games per week.  The step after probation is disqualification.  Here's the part you might disagree on:  I'd like to make it so teams that haven't met the 6 game quota - if they go on probation - don't have to make up the previous games AND complete 6 games on top of that.  I'd just say it should be 6 games period. 

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

All teams that are below the 6 game threshold will go on "probation."  We'll still handle teams on a case by case basis, but the expectation is that each team is expected to play 6 games per week.  The step after probation is disqualification.  Here's the part you might disagree on:  I'd like to make it so teams that haven't met the 6 game quota - if they go on probation - don't have to make up the previous games AND complete 6 games on top of that.  I'd just say it should be 6 games period.
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I agree with not having to make up the missed games. I think I mentioned that before. Basically, if you go on probation you're expected to have made whatever quota of games you missed by the end of your probation term. I'm assuming that spending more than 2 weeks (or 3) in total in probation leads to disqualification. 

Eg, 

Team A only plays 5 games. Is put on probation for not making the 6 game quota. 

Team A only manages to play 1 game the next week. They are "removed" from probation for not making the 6 game quota, but are put back on for not making 9 games, since that would be the new quota.

Team A plays 3 games that next week, coming to a total of 9. Though that meets their second probation contract, they would be put on probation "again" for not making 12. This results in a DQ. 

 

Team B plays 3 games. They are put on probation for not making the 6 game quota.

The following week they manage to play 6 games. They are removed from probation and they are put into "good standing" for having all 6 games. 

The third week they play 0 games. They are put on probation again. If they don't play 6 games they would be DQ'd. 

 

Team C played all 6 games and so are in good standing. The following week they play 0 and are put on probation... 

 

I think the only thing we have to determine is how many weeks they can be on probation. I say 2 strikes is okay but 3 I might be convinced on. 

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Ok - we'll go with the elimination of those 4 - we'll give them until Wed to respond or tell us what they are doing to get the games in, but I think we won't get any response (vote of 3-0)
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I'm 90% sure that McShane voted against this and I voted against this for all three teams except BeastMode's. 

 

Reply #32 from Stardock Forums Top

I'm 90% sure that McShane voted against this and I voted against this for all three teams except BeastMode's.
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wait... what?

So you guys don't want to eliminate the 4?  So, you want to keep teams that haven't played any games yet and just slap them on probation?  Is that what you are saying? 

Reply #33 from Demigod Forums Top

Eliminate immediately, no 48 hour gap thing of redemption. With the exception of Beastmode's team who has 48 hours.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

Im sorry, i already struck beastmode from the list, have they been in contact with any of us to help prevent the DQ?

the other 3 have been removed from the games list.

brasher/broken/beckad + eltimes/seawolf/dreamcatcher also have zero games but they aren't mentioned. 

So basically i'm confused lol.  Are we dropping all teams with zero games? 

Or

Are we dropping teams that have zero games AND have not contacted us.

Please let me know !

thanx

j

 

 

 

Reply #35 from Stardock Forums Top

Ok - I'm on board for that.  So the final ruling is to disqualify these teams immediately.  The reason we are disqualifying these teams is because it appears that they no longer have any intent to play in the tournament as its been > 2 weeks since the tourney started and these teams have not made any attempt to schedule their games or utilize the scheduling thread.

  1. rwcupcrazy/pwnage_69/nojokes
  2. Anneliese_the_Beserk/Udo_Juergins/Don_Doen
  3. RobertMunch/FC-FuneralPortrait/DeadDemi

We will give...

  1. beastmode, generalG, stiffyG

...until Wednesday to respond with some sort of indication that they are planning on playing (I'm not entirely sure why we are making an exception for these guys, but I don't oppose)

All other teams that have played at least 1 game or indicated that they will play/have some scheduling conflicts will be put on probation. 

Here are the rules for probation

  • Probation status is given to any team that does not complete 6 games over a 1 week period
  • The status is assigned at the end of the week if a team has failed to get those 6 games in (11:59PM EST)
  • The probation status can be removed if that team completes the original 6 games required for the previous week (for example, week 1 a team plays 3 out of the 6 required games.  They go on probation.  If they play 3 additional games, that removes the probation status (as they will have fulfilled week 1's requirements).  However, they are still required to complete week 2's 6 game requirement or they will be put back on probation).
  • Teams will be disqualified if 2 weeks have gone by without completing a total of 6 games (eg if they go on probation and never complete enough games to get off of probation).

I'm down with this.  Need 1 more vote. 

Reply #36 from Stardock Forums Top

eltimes/seawolf/dreamcatcher
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Dream catcher indicated in the registration thread that they'd still like to participate but haven't been able to get together.  They should go in the probation category imo as it certainly sounds like they want to play. 

edit

Are we dropping teams that have zero games AND have not contacted us.
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Probation should be EVERY TEAM that does not have 6 games in as of today that we haven't listed as the 3 that are being dq'd.  I'm not sure if you'd updated your results spreadsheet yet, but if you could, please paste all of the teams that are going on probation here.  Thanks

 

Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_Soccer-Mom, reply 28

Out of the last 14 days, we were defiantly available at least 10 of the days, for at least a couple hours, sometime in the evening

You have no idea what you are talking about Shane and have no idea how frustrated out team has been.

 

Don't refer to Fri. As an normal night, its an outlier.
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I just got my glasses replaced after like 2 months, but I'm not blind without them so maybe I have a bit of an idea when the 3 of you finally show up, no idea is pushing it a bit.  I know it's usually after Renzo goes to sleep because I had intended to schedule a match with you guys for over a week now.  And lol I'm well aware of how frustrated you guys get as I've mentioned to Pacov in another thread.  I'm just saying if I was in that situation maybe I would've thought to my self, "hmm, doesn't seem like the time we usually like to play is working for many teams, so maybe I'll make an effort to get online a little earlier."  But that's irrelevant now, you guys met the minimum requirement and that's great.  I was responding to Pacov's fictional instance of what would have happened if you guys didn't play your games; in this case I would've been opposed to others being put on probation but not you 3.  Hedgie agreed as well without specifically mentioning your team.  We don't have to worry about that now though so who cares.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 20
Alright... eliminate them all 

:and hedgie shrugged: 
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I thought you changed your mind about the 48 hour gap and agreed with me?  Beastmode's team should be eliminated immediately as well because they haven't played in over a month which seems to me they clearly don't intend to.  Unless you have some inside information on their situation?

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

I may have inside information :3

Regardless it's relatively unimportant because I doubt it'll happen and in 36 hours it probably won't matter. 

I'd like to make sure all three of us are on board with the probation and how it should work since I don't think that should be just a 2-1 voting scheme thing, we should all agree to it. I think it's okay with how pacov laid it out, though I'd like to see a limit on total probations before you're DQ'd. 

Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

Yea if we want the first part of the tournament to be done by the end of November, which is what I had hoped for, we should have a limit on the probations.  I'm OK with how it was laid out as well.

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 40
Yea if we want the first part of the tournament to be done by the end of November, which is what I had hoped for, we should have a limit on the probations.  I'm OK with how it was laid out as well.
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ok - we are agreed.  I'll update the rules and registration thread in a bit. 

Reply #42 from Demigod Forums Top

rent is due tomorrow !

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Zen_God, reply 42
rent is due tomorrow !
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PAY YOUR BILLS!!!

Anyway, the rules/registration thread has been updated.  Jon, please remove the 3 teams I listed.

I would very much appreciate someone going through the teams that are missing 6 games and post here so I can list the folks that are on probation.  I'll look up later if needed, but I appreciate some help. 

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

Pacov, game counts (you may want to double check me in case I missed something). I just went off of the Results thread:

Orcun: 12

Arkangel: 9

Nomiralic: 7

Baddaddy: 3

Mortora: 3

Commando: 3

Darz4: 3

Cow: 10

Rawr: 10

Nnils: 6

TSK: 4

Maxsteel: 2

 

Please please double check me in case I missed one. 

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

thx for taking the time hedige - i'll review in the morning and update the rules/registration thread. 

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 44
Pacov, game counts (you may want to double check me in case I missed something). I just went off of the Results thread:

Orcun: 12

Arkangel: 9

Nomiralic: 7

Baddaddy: 3

Mortora: 3

Commando: 3

Darz4: 3

Cow: 10

Rawr: 10

Nnils: 6

TSK: 4

Maxsteel: 2

 

Please please double check me in case I missed one. 
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uh? I think we have 7

3 vs rawrr

1 vs bad daddy

3 vs arkangel

I hope I am not forgetting someone...

Reply #47 from Demigod Forums Top

where's my team?:(

Reply #48 from Demigod Forums Top

I must have hit control D on the line for Mith's team :P 

Reply #49 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 48
I must have hit control D on the line for Mith's team  
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now everything comes out, no love for the iamzenrandar :'(

Reply #50 from Demigod Forums Top

Poor NOMILARAC, always gets his name mispeled

Cow - you do have 7 games in.