Why this game will never be as good as it should be?

Rage quits
Desyncs
Constant Disconnects
The fact that if you disconnect, you can't rejoin the game, even though pretty much every other online game in the world allows this
All the game play bugs
The fact that when a new update comes out, it actually makes the game worse
The fact that when you complain about the games constant problems, the thread gets locked.

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Reply #1 Top

Rage Quits are in very game

Desyncs don't happen often and if it is does thats probally your fault

Disconnects happen in every game

AoE 3 was amazing but you couldn't reconnect to games. Nor in starcraft. Nor in a lot of games.

Gaemplay bugs are in every game plus not that many still exist. Most of the errors mean getting your characters stuck on towers which are very problematic in this game as in every other.

How do these updates make the game worse. The game had horrible connection problems to begin with. Now they are pretty much fixed. Lag is almost nonexistant in 3vs3 and balance is extremely good.

This thread isn't locked and it's only if you bash stardock like the troll you are the thread gets locked i doubt this will get locked.

Reasons the forums suck:

  1. People like you post about stuff they can't back up. If you can then say so in the original post.
  2. People like you don't think through their posts and after one bad game they post all the problems of that one bad game. This has happened to me but i've admitted it later in the post.
  3. Most of the people on the forums are exceptions and don't really communicate how players in the actual game feel. I myself know i don't resemble a normal player of game so my opinions may not be how most players feel.

Please give examples.

 

Reply #2 Top

I just played two games in a row with wrastler, on his team. The first game, one of our teammates ran out and fought another Demi, died. Immediately, he rage quitted. The enemy started bashing down our towers, we conceded. Next game, we were doing great. Very nice match, we destoyed both sides, and then our teammate got disconnected, AI took over, fed the enemy enough money and it ended up in a loss that would've been a victory.

 

So this post is probably the product of that.

Here's my little contribution:

Every weekend I got to a LAN party, and ever since April, we've been playing Demigod off and on. However, we all played with version 1.0- entirely unpatched. We never really had any problems, apart from players not getting gold for assists/kills if they were dead. Last LAN we updated to version 1.2 so we could play Demon Assasin. (We are all running very nice custom gaming rigs) Two games in, my friend's computer freezes up. So we restarted. Next game mine froze up. Restart. Next game my other friend's freezes up. No, its not due to overclocking/overheating/crappy drivers whatever, nothing hardware or software, only Demigod. I've been noticing it happening ever since 1.2 I've had it happen to me about 6 times. The game will just freeze, and my computer won't respond anymore. The only way out is a hard reboot.

 

Reply #3 Top

Quoting wallstop, reply 2
The game will just freeze, and my computer won't respond anymore. The only way out is a hard reboot.

 
End of wallstop's quote

Is You're Wyvern knight activating Pierce with a ranged weapon?

 

*I hope somebody gets the reference*

Reply #4 Top

Quoting wallstop, reply 2
I just played two games in a row with wrastler, on his team. The first game, one of our teammates ran out and fought another Demi, died. Immediately, he rage quitted. The enemy started bashing down our towers, we conceded. Next game, we were doing great. Very nice match, we destoyed both sides, and then our teammate got disconnected, AI took over, fed the enemy enough money and it ended up in a loss that would've been a victory.

 

So this post is probably the product of that.

Here's my little contribution:

Every weekend I got to a LAN party, and ever since April, we've been playing Demigod off and on. However, we all played with version 1.0- entirely unpatched. We never really had any problems, apart from players not getting gold for assists/kills if they were dead. Last LAN we updated to version 1.2 so we could play Demon Assasin. (We are all running very nice custom gaming rigs) Two games in, my friend's computer freezes up. So we restarted. Next game mine froze up. Restart. Next game my other friend's freezes up. No, its not due to overclocking/overheating/crappy drivers whatever, nothing hardware or software, only Demigod. I've been noticing it happening ever since 1.2 I've had it happen to me about 6 times. The game will just freeze, and my computer won't respond anymore. The only way out is a hard reboot.

 
End of wallstop's quote

There are exceptions and it still is a rage post which does prove my point. 1.2 is a rough patch all patches are. It takes til 1.2.1 or so to get things working correctly. Plus i've played around 10 games since 1.2 came out in which no one disconnected and no one rage quitted. And thats out of 10 games or so... no problems.

Reply #5 Top

I don't know what you people expect when it comes to rage quitting. No one has an obligation to finish a game that isn't fun. As for the rest, I agree that the actual bugs and technical issues are killing this game, but I'd still say a lack of effective auto-matchmaking is the biggest detriment.

Reply #6 Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 5
I don't know what you people expect when it comes to rage quitting. No one has an obligation to finish a game that isn't fun. 
End of obscenitor's quote

There's a difference between leaving because it isn't fun, and quitting because something didn't go your way at the start.

Reply #7 Top

After a game today, I think i'd almost prefer a rage quit to a guy who plants at his citadel and spends the rest of the game complaining about 1 of his partners, who was still trying to play the game.  No way anyone can blame the programmers or publishers of Demigod for the occasional idiot who forgets it's just a game.  Thank God there are a lot more 'fun' players than yoyo's out there.

It would still be nice to see the remaining bugs and exploits fixed.  That one belongs to the publisher/programmers.

Reply #8 Top

I seriously doubt that most people's negative experiences with rage quitting occur in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Reply #9 Top

first five minute quitters are the only ones I consider to be rage quitters.

Reply #10 Top

Quoting obscenitor, reply 8
I seriously doubt that most people's negative experiences with rage quitting occur in the first 5 minutes of the game.
End of obscenitor's quote

Very true. I've only had 2 or 3 games where a person rage quit in the very beginning. They're usually added to my "kick if they ever join my games" list.

I really enjoy this game. I play it with one of my friends a lot, and its just great. Not to say that there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement. I just see a lot of potential being wasted... Some of my friends have converted over to Leage of Legends due to the "better multiplayer experience".

Reply #11 Top

The only thing I really don't like about online games is rage-quitters, but I agree with what obscenitor said that you have no obligation to finish a game if it isn't fun. Still though, I would rather players didn't quit right in the middle-end of the game.

Reply #12 Top

When this game first came out I had such high hopes and expectations. Overtime I have been gravely  let down by this game, but I have stuck through it for the chance at some truly epic fights (and their have been a few), but since patch 1.2 I'd have to admit that I would stop playing if the game hadn't cost me $40.

Reply #13 Top

The fact that if you disconnect, you can't rejoin the game, even though pretty much every other online game in the world allows this
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Name me one RTS that had this feature before Demigod was released. (Dont say LoL/HoN they were released after).

Reply #14 Top

Quoting KellenDunk, reply 3

Quoting wallstop, reply 2 The game will just freeze, and my computer won't respond anymore. The only way out is a hard reboot.

 

Is You're Wyvern knight activating Pierce with a ranged weapon?

*I hope somebody gets the reference*

End of KellenDunk's quote

 

GOLDEN SUN BITCHES. +1 TO YOU FOR GIVING ME NOSTALGIA

Reply #15 Top

I just noticed from the other replies (and by re-reading the OP) that the original post claimed every other strategy game had the feature to rejoin a game after disconnecting. Wow. No other strategy game I know of has that feature. Are you sure you aren't thinking about strategy hybrids? I know Dawn of War 2 has that.....but that's a persisent co-op campaign, not skirmish; very different. Just curious about what the OP is referring to.

Reply #16 Top

Quoting aNaRcHiSt44, reply 15
I just noticed from the other replies (and by re-reading the OP) that the original post claimed every other strategy game had the feature to rejoin a game after disconnecting. Wow. No other strategy game I know of has that feature. Are you sure you aren't thinking about strategy hybrids? I know Dawn of War 2 has that.....but that's a persisent co-op campaign, not skirmish; very different. Just curious about what the OP is referring to.
End of aNaRcHiSt44's quote
Hes just trying to kick up shit. Didn't seem to work, it's rather positive in here :)

Reply #17 Top

Quoting DalzK, reply 13

The fact that if you disconnect, you can't rejoin the game, even though pretty much every other online game in the world allows this
Name me one RTS that had this feature before Demigod was released. (Dont say LoL/HoN they were released after).
End of DalzK's quote

World in Conflict.

Do I win!?!? >.> <.<

Reply #18 Top

I always wanted to play that game.

Reply #19 Top

Three main reasons why game will never be great:

1) Peer 2 Peer - means games with over 6 players are likely to lag.  10 players games are practically non-existant despite game being advertised as such.  Also makes it hard to introduce features for competitive gaming e.g. vote kicking, remake options, reconnect after drop, accurate recording of stats, prevention of rage quitters joining other games until the first game finishes etc.

2) Publisher that cares about the game working with a development team that doesn't.  Leads to way too much of a disconnect in the whole development process and ages for any updates.

3) NO competitive features, e.g. team automatch, clan support, unbalanced Demigods and items etc.

Reply #20 Top

Quoting GnomeChomp, reply 19
Three main reasons why game will never be great:

1) Peer 2 Peer - means games with over 6 players are likely to lag.  10 players games are practically non-existant despite game being advertised as such.  Also makes it hard to introduce features for competitive gaming e.g. vote kicking, remake options, reconnect after drop, accurate recording of stats, prevention of rage quitters joining other games until the first game finishes etc.

2) Publisher that cares about the game working with a development team that doesn't.  Leads to way too much of a disconnect in the whole development process and ages for any updates.

3) NO competitive features, e.g. team automatch, clan support, unbalanced Demigods and items etc.
End of GnomeChomp's quote

Sorry this game already is great. It may not be the new starcraft but it is within the top 5 best selling games of the year. GPG is one of the best developers ever in getting the game right from the start and same with stardock. How many people play competatively anymore? Like 10% if you want a competative game it isn't demigod this game is for fun if you enjoy bashing on others and swearing because you got beat because the game was competative then please move onto another game.

If you want competative play supreme commander. Seriously that game has more of a gap between pro's and noobs than starcraft does and the people who still play it are just amazing at it.

Stop complaining about a non-competative game when you have the same developer who made one of the most intense and competative games out there.

And this is fairly positive compared to the fact that 10 people posted on this and thats out of the 10,000 or so that have played online. We hardly show what the players in game feel correctly. I mean the forums are normally very negative compared to the players feelings.

Quoting abuggeredhedgie, reply 14



GOLDEN SUN BITCHES. +1 TO YOU FOR GIVING ME NOSTALGIA
End of abuggeredhedgie's quote

Can someone explain this :P

Reply #21 Top

"The hard-reset rule (if you don't get the monsters you want, turn the

GBA off then on again) applies to EVERY method herein. Also, since you're 
doing a hard reset every time, you get an automatic surprise attack on the
first enemy you fight the next time you turn it on."

-Golden Sun item FAQ

 

Reply #22 Top

"Sorry this game already is great. It may not be the new starcraft but it is within the top 5 best selling games of the year. GPG is one of the best developers ever in getting the game right from the start and same with stardock. How many people play competatively anymore?"

 

LOL whatever.

Reply #23 Top

World in Conflict sucks.

 

 

Hahahaha starcraft. Worship it baby, and ill play a game without rockpaperscissors.

Reply #24 Top

Quoting XaviorsFist, reply 1


Rage Quits are in very game-True but it seems worse in this game than any other I've played online.

Desyncs don't happen often and if it is does thats probally your fault-Happens at least once a week and never caused by me, but by someone who doesn't want to lose.

Disconnects happen in every game-Not as often as it does with this game. This game is terrible when it comes to disconnects. One of the major turnoffs for this game. Everytime you get a good game going, theres a disconnect.

AoE 3 was amazing but you couldn't reconnect to games. Nor in starcraft. Nor in a lot of games. LOTR I believe you could. Point is though it can be done and with as many disconnects there are with this game, common sense as a developer should kick in and figure out a way to fix it.

Gaemplay bugs are in every game plus not that many still exist. Most of the errors mean getting your characters stuck on towers which are very problematic in this game as in every other. This is the other major problem with the game. There are huge amounts of bugs and way more noticeable in this game than any other I've played. Minions get stuck, pathing is terrible, can't follow and attack with certain players, etc, etc.

How do these updates make the game worse. The game had horrible connection problems to begin with. Now they are pretty much fixed. Lag is almost nonexistant in 3vs3 and balance is extremely good. LMAO! Fixed? Are you kidding me? The connection issues are just as bad, if not worse now, even with 3vs3. Can't dare play 4vs4 or more of the game slows to a crawl or simply everyone disconnects. Have yet to play today, but I guarantee there will be at least 2 disconnects tonight.
End of XaviorsFist's quote


The problem is, these game could be great, but seems like it was pieced together in a hurry and they felt they could fix the glaring issues with "patches" and that would be sufficient. Problem is the patches really haven't done much to fix the problems. You can't half ass these things. You either do it great or not at all, IMO. This is one of those situations where I feel like the developer half assed it.

Reply #25 Top

It will NEVER be as good as it should be because its
A: peer to peer. 

The only reason I don't play this game at all is because every game lags no matter what. EVERY game I have ever played has NEVER been anywhere near the speed and flow and not choppy as single player. thats garbage.  This is the only reason I can find that the game sucks.  half of these bugs could be ignored if not for every f@#$@#%@#%#%@#%@#%@#%@%2 game lags to death.  Its the only thing I have a problem with.  Tell GPG to pull their heads out of their asses and convert it to a client server game.  people would play it more and it would be fun.  IMO this is the one thing that would make the game shine, is smooth no choppy gameplay.  I dont know about you guys but I have never had a game that wasnt choppy from the very start.  I dont mean stop and go nothing is fluid gameplay seems so slow compared to single player.  Its like im living in slow motion


Quoting GnomeChomp, reply 19
Three main reasons why game will never be great:

1) Peer 2 Peer - means games with over 6 players are likely to lag.  10 players games are practically non-existant despite game being advertised as such.  Also makes it hard to introduce features for competitive gaming e.g. vote kicking, remake options, reconnect after drop, accurate recording of stats, prevention of rage quitters joining other games until the first game finishes etc.

2) Publisher that cares about the game working with a development team that doesn't.  Leads to way too much of a disconnect in the whole development process and ages for any updates.

3) NO competitive features, e.g. team automatch, clan support, unbalanced Demigods and items etc.
End of GnomeChomp's quote



This guy hit the nail on the head. For REAL

You can say what you want about Peer to Peer but you're going to be wrong because its sucks.  it may have been fine for other games, but its not for this one, obviously. 

Quoting DalzK, reply 13

The fact that if you disconnect, you can't rejoin the game, even though pretty much every other online game in the world allows this
Name me one RTS that had this feature before Demigod was released. (Dont say LoL/HoN they were released after).
End of DalzK's quote


None of them, but this is an "aeon of strife" type game.  Competitive in nature.  It would benefit it greatly if you got DC you have like 5 minutes to come back.  As im sure you've Q_Q about someone that DC, wouldnt it be nice if they could come back?  I think so