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Lord Erebus Bite Unbalanced

Lord Erebus Bite Unbalanced

Erebus is stinking up the Pantheon all I get anymore is Two Vamps. First bite is way out of control he is the only DG that gets damage + heal+ - armor in one skill. Also the Mana cost is way to low and every 7 sec come on. Then you have the night walkers they should be equal in number and damage to the oaks spirits that was nerfed in the beta. While on the pantheon I think that light and dark should have unique DG there should not two of a kind unless you are in 5v5. This needs to be fixed ASAP. :cylon:

 

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Reply #26 Top

Quoting MaryScary, reply 25
Why is everyone talking about balance and change when the game doesn't even work?
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it does work the multiplayer hardly glitches

and that has no interference with the game play

Reply #27 Top

Quoting MaryScary, reply 25
Why is everyone talking about balance and change when the game doesn't even work?
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Hey Schilista, how 'bout you go back to your old account and cry using that?

The health regen could use a little nerfing, not major nerfing but just a tad lower. I agree with 75%, but I don't think 80% or even 85% would even be unreasonable. Lord Erebus pretty much feasts upon aggressiveness, and a defensive LE is pretty useless. Bat Swarm also doesn't teleport his minions, so if you can somehow lure him when he gets too greedy you can probably kill him. Seperated from his minions, he probably won't stand that long on his own if you team up on him. 1v1 is probably a little iffy, but Silence would probably drain all of his mojo and it is readily available in an item.

Reply #28 Top

Quoting vindKtiv, reply 2

Quoting MaryScary, reply 25Why is everyone talking about balance and change when the game doesn't even work?
Hey Schilista, how 'bout you go back to your old account and cry using that?

The health regen could use a little nerfing, not major nerfing but just a tad lower. I agree with 75%, but I don't think 80% or even 85% would even be unreasonable. Lord Erebus pretty much feasts upon aggressiveness, and a defensive LE is pretty useless. Bat Swarm also doesn't teleport his minions, so if you can somehow lure him when he gets too greedy you can probably kill him. Seperated from his minions, he probably won't stand that long on his own if you team up on him. 1v1 is probably a little iffy, but Silence would probably drain all of his mojo and it is readily available in an item.
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it doesn't need to be nerfed and if it was changed i bet all off these people would still be moaning about him or they would moan about a different dude which is so not helpful

it is like the cherry on the cake u dont need it but it is a nice little touch but there are always moaning gits so  if it does or doesn't get fixed it doesn't really change the fact that he anit impossible to beat if ur smart

Reply #29 Top

1 sedna her pounce is close range and does more dmg then his bite and also has heal and silence

2 oak he has spirits to counter nightwalkers shield makes bite do no dmg and makes it so u take no dmg and pentiece make him slower and reciveve more dmg dont for get his aoe attack
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Sedna doesn't do that all with the same skill for as little mana as bite.  Heal is less mana efficient for the health gain than bite, which also does damage and debuffs.

Sure oaks spirits could counter the nightwalkers, but that doesn't matter because the nightwalkers are not that hard to deal with, bite is though.


Shield has a 35 second recast and erebus casts bite every 7 seconds, enough said.  Against a bad player you might stop 1 bite, with shield maxed out before being hit by it 4 more times before you can block it again.

Reply #30 Top


Sedna doesn't do that all with the same skill for as little mana as bite.  Heal is less mana efficient for the health gain than bite, which also does damage and debuffs.
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Yeah I know. Every class just needs to be put up next to erebus and his bite and we must all ask ourselves, "Is this skill not exactly like bite?" At which point, we can safely call it OP.

 

Kawazu, play this game. Seriously. God your logic is riddled with ignorance and stupidity.

Reply #31 Top

What you all fail to understand is they changed him in the 0 day patch and made his skills too good! Us beta testers want him taken back to beta 3d status or more mana dependent.  If you think he is fine you all have no clue.  You are basically a bunch of dumbasses  discuss with more facts like I gave you instead of stupid words without numbers

Reply #32 Top

Us beta testers
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a.k.a. we're automatically superior and know everything, so anything we say is right and you're wrong.

 

If you think he is fine you all have no clue.
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While I'm going pretty far to assume this, I don't think the beta testers can identify imbalances as well as a setup, organized team base can.

 

You are basically a bunch of dumbasses
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Mhm.

 

discuss with more facts like I gave you
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Your facts are pretty baseless as well. Yeah yeah, you're a beta tester, so by default anything you say is right, but still. I'll discuss it with LOGIC. Okay, here it goes: I have never had a problem against Erebus. I've fought teams with double erebus whos strategy was obviously, to double bat swarm onto someone, and double bite, and kill extremely quick. Guess what? We played to counter. They got dropped. It wasn't easy, they were pretty good. But we played defensive and out-pushed, and they were stuck mist forming every time.

 

As for 'facts,' (even though they're PRETTY irrelevent right now) I'll give you a little to push you a long your way, to at least show you why this isn't worthy of a balance change, especially with no organized team pantheon to prove ANYTHING yet.

 

Sedna has two heals for 600. Already, an entire mana bar from erebus is completely mitigated by one heal, over compensating for the extra damage for 3 seconds. A well timed pounce after the erebus bites, and hes now at 3/4 health, discluding the melee damage. I'm just going to name Sedna and leave it at that, because Sedna is a pretty obvious counter to play against Erebus. She out-lives and out-mitigates his damage. Of course though, I don't even know how long this will last myself. I can't really say much. You might have a little more experience as a beta tester although I'll happily debate what that experience even accounts for in this petty nerf thread. I don't think you really know whats best yet either.

Reply #33 Top

If a DG has a skill that you can't imagine not being in any of your builds it's an indication that the skill is overpowered. You should need to actually have to consider getting a skill. There's no reason not to get bite.

Reply #34 Top

If a DG has a skill that you can't imagine not being in any of your builds it's an indication that the skill is overpowered. You should need to actually have to consider getting a skill. There's no reason not to get bite.
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First of all, there are only so many skills to choose from, and many of them are universal and pretty standard to have on the demigod. There would be a lot of nerfs with that ignorant logic.

 

I'll explain further: The trend here seems to indicate that every demigod has their own 'nuke' skill if you will, or an instant, high damage attack that costs a chunk of mana. Pretty much every demigod has one, and every single demigod build give or take a rook or two require these skills to get kills. Let's nerf bite because it's essential on such a squishy melee character. While we're at it, let's nerf pounce too, dont think ive ever seen a sedna without it. Fireball is pretty annoying, we should drop the hammer on TB. Oh hey snipe is the lamest killsteal ever, let's nerf that into the ground.

 

More stupidity pls

Reply #35 Top

Quoting Tourresh, reply 8
If a DG has a skill that you can't imagine not being in any of your builds it's an indication that the skill is overpowered. You should need to actually have to consider getting a skill. There's no reason not to get bite.
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the skill is in many builds  i dont wknow wy people bitch over this i think it is a better to say regis more op in late games then  erebus

Reply #36 Top

Quoting Extacide, reply 9


 

More stupidity pls
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No other skill does damage/heals/and debuffs at level 1 you are such a idiot take your two weeks (member for two weeks) and shove them up your ass you have no good arguement. Learn the game and maybe we can talk later for now just shut up and let the real debate continue

Reply #37 Top

"Sedna doesn't do that all with the same skill for as little mana as bite. Heal is less mana efficient for the health gain than bite, which also does damage and debuffs.

Sure oaks spirits could counter the nightwalkers, but that doesn't matter because the nightwalkers are not that hard to deal with, bite is though.

Shield has a 35 second recast and erebus casts bite every 7 seconds, enough said. Against a bad player you might stop 1 bite, with shield maxed out before being hit by it 4 more times before you can block it again
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^THIS

"Sedna has two heals for 600"
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No, she hasn't. I think you are playing in different game. Her pounce don't heal her and don't make any debuffs. YOU ARE SO WRONG.

"They should at least make it so erebus gains less life from bite. Like 75 percent of the damage."
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^THIS

Reply #38 Top

Wait till you play erebus with someone who knows how to play him (for those who are saying he's not so hard to kill).

Reply #39 Top

Quoting Grahf666, reply 12
"Sedna doesn't do that all with the same skill for as little mana as bite. Heal is less mana efficient for the health gain than bite, which also does damage and debuffs.

Sure oaks spirits could counter the nightwalkers, but that doesn't matter because the nightwalkers are not that hard to deal with, bite is though.

Shield has a 35 second recast and erebus casts bite every 7 seconds, enough said. Against a bad player you might stop 1 bite, with shield maxed out before being hit by it 4 more times before you can block it again"

^THIS

"Sedna has two heals for 600"

No, she hasn't. I think you are playing in different game. Her pounce don't heal her and don't make any debuffs. YOU ARE SO WRONG.

"They should at least make it so erebus gains less life from bite. Like 75 percent of the damage."

^THIS
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i didn't  say sednas pounce heals but her heal at lvl 10 and erebus bite at lvl 10   sedna hcan heal double that he can

and pounce does more dmg

erebus is no were near the strongest or the most overpowered people should just stop bitching about it and learn to fight

Reply #40 Top

No other skill does damage/heals/and debuffs at level 1
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SIR. 600 health vs 300 damage/health + debuff. I THINK ITS EVEN. Cry more plz.

 

you are such an** idiot take your two weeks (member for two weeks) and shove them up your ass you have no good arguement.
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Yeah I know. Let's argue logic with stupidity. Since I'm essentially just as right as you will ever be at this point, let's instead just say you're superior and shrug my argument away.

 

"Sedna has two heals for 600"

No, she hasn't. I think you are playing in different game. Her pounce don't heal her and don't make any debuffs. YOU ARE SO WRONG.
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...*facepalm* Yeah. I OBVIOUSLY said pounce heals for 600 and deals 400 damage. You're fucking retarded. I'm not even going to correct you on how you completely glossed over what I said and took two completely different skills, and combined them to say I'm wrong.

Reply #41 Top

Quoting Extacide, reply 15

No other skill does damage/heals/and debuffs at level 1


 

SIR. 600 health vs 300 damage/health + debuff. I THINK ITS EVEN. Cry more plz.

 


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I guess since you can't read lua files it is also a 75 mana difference for heal so no its not even will you shut-up now cause all your stats don't equal the ones I have proven so go play with yourself noob

Reply #42 Top

75 mana difference
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She also has a higher base mana than Erebus to begin with. So again. 1200 health vs 600 health/damage + debuff. Since you're so reluctant to actually base this on how it actually works in-game, and instead compare demigods' stats and call imbalances, i'll just assume you retarded.

 

stats don't equal the ones I have proven so go play with yourself noob
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You mean all your opinions of the BALANCE of said stats, versus my opinion of the balance, which neither of us have really played enough to say with any confidence?

 

Mhm.  :digichet:

Reply #43 Top

:banhammer:  

Quoting Extacide, reply 17




 

You mean all your opinions of the BALANCE of said stats, versus my opinion of the balance, which neither of us have really played enough to say with any confidence?

 

Mhm. 
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You lose next time know who you are talking too

Reply #44 Top

Congratulations sir, #1 BY YOURSELF in beta against randoms means nothing!

 

You lose next time know who you are talking too
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Oh. I'm sorry god. I'll remember to not to speak before spoken to first. You know, because you're a big man and all after being #1 on a BETA, by simply playing the most against random people.

 

You really are the shit, son. Make sure you put that ladder onto your resume, because we all know that ladder is the absolute determining factor of who is the best, for ever and ever.

Reply #45 Top

Erebus being too good in randoms is still an issue that would need to be addressed, as a good portion of all DG matches are with randoms.

 

And Erebus is clearly too good in the hands of a good player against average players. I've killed people in their own base(mid-game, not late game), escaped from  2v1s almost every time, etc. Between Bite, Mist, and Bat form, his survivability and mobility is incredible.

Reply #46 Top

Bite is really very powerful. I mean - it's very high damage, leeches health, instant (but melee), reduces armor by a considerable amount AND is a powerful snare. All that coupled together means you have to start running once you get to 80% health, because the snare and armor reduction will make sure you die if you run too late, especially when coupled with Bat Swarm which hits hard after Bite's armor reduction, and also allows you to catch up if by some off chance the target managed to survive Bite and your chase and made a gap.

The problem isn't really any of the mechanics of Bite in particular, but the fact that they are all in one cast, and then Bat Swarm.

Once you get all your minions to focus fire somebody, they take a lot of damage quickly. They start running, but you Bite them and chase them, then finish with a Bat Swarm.

Reply #47 Top

Bite needs some work in terms of how the armor debuff stacks on an inverse curve with another Erebus or QoT.  I.E. Two Erebus bite you, your armor goes into the red, they start hitting you for 6x damage.  Yes it can be beaten by stacking armor, playing Reg with mines and MoB, or being better.  Not the point. 

Like many of the balance issues this game has dealt with, the ability is balanced in a 1v 1 setting but scales to OP when stacked. 

The *damage* on bite is fine and scales the way it should, imo.

HR and Exta should save it for the battlefield - best of three 1 v 1 duels?  Or if you want to save it til Saturday morning and play teams I'd be up :P

Reply #48 Top

Quoting HorseRadish, reply 11

Quoting Extacide, reply 9

 

More stupidity pls

No other skill does damage/heals/and debuffs at level 1 you are such a idiot take your two weeks (member for two weeks) and shove them up your ass you have no good arguement. Learn the game and maybe we can talk later for now just shut up and let the real debate continue
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My account is older than yours.  I declare you wrong.  By your own logic, you have to admit defeat and go away.

Now wasnt that silly?  Lets actually have a debate and stop just being silly.

Reply #49 Top

lprometheus,

The first thing you can do is not ragequit matches you play in. Dying twice in a row in Demigod within 'X' time hardly means you`ve lost the entire game. And besides, its piss-poor sportsmanship.

Erebus NEEDS that Bite to work as it does. The whole point to its rapidity of use is that it is a comparatively weak "big hit" attack that is most effective used quickly, over & over. Not to mention he is a Vampire, and all those attendant mechanics makes sense. Mist was useless, now its useful.

As Erebus is now, against a foe who knows how to play their Demigod (even some A.I.) Erebus has his hands full. I would be more concerned with a late-game Regulus or Unclean Beast equipped with their favourite items... particularly the terrifically swift Unclean Beast boosted to attack like lightning. That said, I refrain from calling him overpowered because I don`t believe my losses amount to sufficient evidence of such. Any Demigod has great domination potential if they have the luxury of 'iteming up'.

I also point to the judgement by the devs themselves that Erebus was the least powerful of the General Demigods (circa one of the last patches). And they`ve been playing Demigod longer than any of us... .

Reply #50 Top

Quoting Tourresh, reply 8
If a DG has a skill that you can't imagine not being in any of your builds it's an indication that the skill is overpowered. You should need to actually have to consider getting a skill. There's no reason not to get bite.
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Not quite true. I can`t imagine a Rook player heading out *without* their Hammer Slam...

Just because an Erebus player takes Bite everytime, that does not make the skill overpowered. It makes it core to the character.