The problem with bite is not any specific thing, but it is the combination of things. Vamp does damage and heals himself. Point for point healing is better than damage because you can force an opposing DG to retreat and continue to capture your objectives if needed. The real issue with bite is that it heals and damages. Helping you stay in the fight and forcing the other person to leave. Further, because it has an armor reduction your basic attacks now do more damage and all you life steal items become even more effective healing you more. Then you add the snare so that they guy can not even get away from you and your life stealing and you get to OPed. Add to all that the ability to get out of the battle or damage at almost any time with mist or bats and you get really OPed. Then add in the fact that Erb is fast and you have total domination. This can all be countered, but not easily and not by one DG unless their skill level is through the roof and they play perfectly.

 

I will agree that once we see really good teams that counters will be formed that require the great teamwork. However, tha leaves out all the casual players that will play pickup team pantheon games all alone. Combine Erb and UB and you have an ustoppable force, even if the guys playing them are virtual noobs, unless the light side has highly skilled players. I would put myslef in the middle of the skill pack at best, so it is not a whole lot of fun being rolled by 2 UB, 2 Erb, or UB/Erb teams of any sort. And that is all I see 90%+ of the time. So if you can't beat them then join them. Pantheon is going to be great fun when it resets and there are 4000 Dark side players trying to get games with 300 Light side opponents.

 

 

Pounce don't heal Sedna about the same ammount of damage also don't reduce the armor and movement speed 
Spit don't heal UB about the same ammount of damage also don't reduce the armor and movement speed 
Fireball don't heal TB about the same ammount of damage also don't reduce the armor and movement speed 
Snipe don't heal Regulus about the same ammount of damage also don't reduce the armor and movement speed 
Hammer Slam don't heal Rook about the same ammount of damage also don't reduce the armor and movement speed
QoT and Oak also don't have atack that  heal about the same ammount of damage, reduce the armor and movement speed.

I mainly play as TB, Sedna and Oak. And its not like - "I think Erebus is OP because he always kills me" Anyway Erebus is not so powerfull, but his bite is a joke. It's like having 3 skills in 1. I don't know how you people can say it's alright that Erebus can force an opposing DG to retreat, follow him and easily kill him. And when you want to kill him you need 2 or more DG's but he can easily flee with Bat Swarm(you need great teamwork with stuns to kill him or he need to be a noob)
And about UB... make spit not able to target buildings and it will be ok. The game is very well balanced, but (imo) bite need some changes.

so ur bitching that it is all in 1

but they do more dmg  so dont bitch about bite because it isn't that great

Mmm... I dunno,  I'm not quite sure if Erebus is overpowered on not. I can say that he scares my Rook away all the time. Erebus has some great damage output and quite a lot of survivability, so he can be quite nasty... but I don't lose every match against him, nor do I lose every match versus the Unclean Beast, or even both of them as a pair.

 

I agree that UB spit shouldn't be able to target structures, but I don't know about Erebus yet. The life drain alone seems like it would be more than enough, but I've jumped the gun on the nerf cries a few too many times now. I'm gonna take the time to try and find a counter.

there is a counter  u just have to learn it

i have more trouble with ub spit  but i dont think u should be able to get double spit   it is rediculous dmg  i think the second one shoud extend the first but the first one  and the second one can't be active at the same time

 

It also inflicts the least damage of all the 'nuke' skills, heals MUCH less than any other heal skill, and the armor reduction is insignificant. He also has some of the lowest max mana to begin of all demigods, so the low cost can't really be a factor against demigods with big mana costs...but bigger mana pools.

how much mana at the start

I disagree completely.

As an example, Regulus can only be reliably slain (potentially slain) if you can catch him. Eliminating the tiny movement penalty from bite not only is theatrically un-apt but also hobbling to Erebus capacity to make a kill. The only projectile attack he has is himself...

Getting away from an amped Unclean Beast is far more difficult than getting away from A Vampire Lord. Ditto running from that damn Regulus.

I can say the same thing about Regulus as you are saying about Erebus - given a good player, it is almost impossible to kill him. Arguably moreso, given his "gun".

Bite has a collection of effects, but lets not forget both the magnitude of those effects (doesn`t heal much, especially lategame) and their duration (very short... barely enough armour reduction for example to get in another 2 or 3 swipes).

I will say that Bite pales (!) in many ways to other core abilities of the other Demigods. Its good as is.

 

lol  bite is weak  really  just most people fear it  it has about 7 sec recharge

it isn't overly powerful late games  erebus gets owned usually

Bite is a little OP.

 

Just had a game with two of us equal level Sednas(13), against one Erebus(14), 1 level above us. End result 1 dead Sedna and me running away licking my paws. Even with 1 set of creeps (with priests) on our side in the fight it was pretty impossible, to even get him in a sweat.

That is a crazy result for 1 DG to output that much damage. He wasn´t equipped with any artifacts.

I know playing as Sedna, I can hold off 2 DGs for a little while, I will go in against them because I know I can get back out again.

I know that it is an assassin class, but it should not be able to take on two DGs and win.

Not massively OP, IMO, I don´t automatically run away from an Erebus, but I consider it the most dangerous DG.

 

Move your head out of pantheon. Pantheon has no determination of the balance at this point.

I don't think bite is OP, because a basic favor item is enough to defeat erebus, provided he doesn't get to equip a favor item himself.

An example game from yesterday:  I chose erebus.  My opponent chose oak.  The game started, I bought the two cheapest armors available, then set out to the nearest flag.  When I got there, in comes oak.  I bit him, then ran left towards some other flags.  I should have been able to outrun him.  But I couldn't - oak ran me down, and started swatting at me as I was running.  At that point I tried to get back to my towers.  I'd quickly turn and bite him, then turn and run while recharging the bite, then quickly turn and bite him again, then turn and run while recharging the bite.  I never made it back to my towers - he killed me.

I asked him "Why are you faster than me with oak?  Are you cheating?"  He said "No - a favor item, 25% speed increase."  I said "Oh okay, well I can't equip favor items so... cya."

The whole point of that story is, if bite were so OP, I would have won that engagement, don't you think?  If you don't believe this story, play it out yourself.  Take erebus, give a competent friend oak + whatever favor item gives the 25% speed increase, meet him on the field of battle, and see if you can bite and run away.

By the way, I'd say I'm a decent player because I win 9 out of 10 games I play.  So decent erebus minus favor item against decent oak with favor item = win for oak in the first or initial engagement.