Sova Carrier? worthless?

Six sova's should not be taken lightly. Thats a lotta strikecraft, and at Lvl 6 they get built instantly. Bring with a few of the carrier frigates (10 - 20) Drop in 2 -3 Kol capitals with the lvl3 flak burst and an akkan for the possibility to retreat when the time is right.

Also some anti fighter frigates couldnt hurt!!. All in all, it does kinda sound like fun.
(not all that into carrier spam, but this has some promise)

*edit* sounds like a decent economy harrasment force

Sova used to be the best But nerf come around and usually target the best :/ So the Sova standard became eccentric. I had someoen try to sova rush me, without feed it fails, I killed his sova cause I got feed from my allies, and proceeded to kill him

ahem, not to sound like a complete noob here... but what do you mean with "feed"

"I had someoen try to sova rush me, without feed it fails"

from the above speaker

The Sova has embargo, which steals a certain percent of income.  Some players would quickly attack their enemies HW using the Sova and steal their income.  Early game, this really cripples their income and you can build a lot more frigates.  Anyway, in v1.1, they nerfed teh Sova so that the income stolen wasn't as much and it only lasts 1 min instead of the previous 2.  Therefore, without receiving feed (recieving resources from your ally), this tactic doesnt really work anymore because the Sova Cap is not very sturdy, and you are left with a mediocre cap when the enemy strikes back.

ah, thx nice feedback

but i think i really need to modify my question a bit:

is sova really that crappy early game? i mean by reading the forums it sounds like if you take a sova as the first CAP you will lose, is it really so?

in my opinion (i have only played agains comp) if you get your sova up to like at least lvl 4 and you research those improved lazerbeams as you can early you will get a good ship

but you guys mean that if i build a sova as the first ship and i get attacked early i will surley lose? or?

I depends how one uses the Sova, I always prefer to upgrade the missile turret deployment and have a line of Sova's on hold position, thus when the enemy ships charge they are going through the full strikecraft compliment striaght into the missiles and lasers of the carriers.  A couple of the repair crusiers and other such support ships only serve to strengthen the position.  But the main thing with a carrier heavy force is to remember to be ready with the retreat button, your strike craft have a better range and if you can lead the enemy fleet on a multi system chase you have a good opertunity to weaken them, if they don't then you got a couple free kills before they chase you away.

Capital Carriers just don't have good DPS in the early game.  Once they level up they get more squads, but a skilled player will already be knocking at your HW with cruiser carriers by the time that happens.  For advent or vasari, their carrier caps have much better fleet support abilities and therefore, picking those caps as your SECOND cap isn't that bad.  However, those races also have the best colonizer caps in the game, and most people chose those as their first caps.  In general, if you play TEC, pick the Marza or Kol.  If you need to do a lot of colonizing, pick the Akkan, but in general, do not pick the Sova for your first cap.

Pound for pound, so to speak, the Sova is the weakest of the TEC caps. It doesn't start with that many strike craft, and in direct combat it's under gunned. An equal level Marza of Kol will smoke it. It can't colonize or buff other ships.. The list goes on. Most people choose a battle ship to clear worlds and as the center piece of thier future fleet, hoping to get it to level 6 ASAP for either Missile Barrage or Finest Hour. Others pick a colonizer, hoping to speed expansion and thier economy, and fund future fleets with the proceeds. A Sova doesn't do any of that, and as mentioned with Embargo getting nerf'd.. well, it kind of got shoved to the back of the pack.

Personally, if I need strike craft ( mid and late game ), I go for percherons. Cheaper, about the same since 3 new perch's cost about one Sova, except I get 6 squads immediately instaed of having to level the cap. I guess if the Sova started out with 6 squads, I might see it in a different light..   

But if you're a strike craft specialist, and it works with your tactics, who's to say if it's a poor choice ? Thats what I like about SINS, you don't have to follow a linear path. You can do it your own way.

I would like to point out that even though 3 cruiser carriers cost the same as a cap carrier, you can't jump cruiser carriers all over the map, whereas you can with the cap carrier.  Caps make SC without AM, cruisers need AM to make SC, and jumping them everywhere sucks your AM dry.

Feed is when another player gives you money.  If you ever played in a team game and someone slaughtered you in what looked like him vs you situation, and I mean slaughtered you like you were a cornfield and he was driving a combine, then he probably got fed by his ally.

"yadida"? Am I just not cool enough to know what this word means?

What?

You asked if you will lose if you pick the Sova.  The question means you think that ships win or lose games.  They don't.  The player wins or loses games.

Give the best player in Sins the worst starting cap - whatever that cap is - and give the worst player in Sins the best starting cap, guess who wins?  The best player wins no matter what his starting cap is.

This isn't to say that there aren't better or worse ships in the game - maybe there are, maybe there aren't.  It is to say, however, that picking a ship isn't a magic button you can press which instantly wins or loses the game for you.  You are asking the wrong question, thus you are getting the wrong answer.

Two equally skilled players at equally good starting positions, one picks a Sova, the other picks something else.  The one that picks the Sova loses.  Game over.

nice, thx for all the inputs guys!

and for ppl that wondered what yadida is: its pronounced ya-di-da and it means like bla-bla-bla

so it would look like:

And to my chock i discovered that everybody is talking about that marza is the best CH and blablabla.

cheers!

Total nonsense, total absurdity, ridiculous.  The game still ends up being a tie if both players play correctly.  The cap ship choice simply won't make that much of a difference.

Wow...just wow.

Ah, ok. It looks like an alternate spelling of "yadda yadda" then. The Urban Dictionary lists yadida as a reference to a rap song lyric. Thanks for the clarification.

  The Sova is absolutely my favorite Capitol, and always the one i pick first, though i admit i have played very few human vs human matches, by the time we even met eachother on the map, (I always play the biggest) we both had a good 3 or 4 capitols, so it didn't make that much of a difference.  I just see the Sova as being a fleet all by itself if you pick your squadrons right (4 Fighter, 3 Bomber)  And upgrade the missile turrets and heavy strikecraft, in that order, you should have no problem unless your outnumbered by enemy Capitols.

This topic is about eight months old; standards have changed considerably in this period. The new update has changed how the Sova is viewed currently.

Yep, old Sova was pretty much only good for embargo rushing on small maps.  New Sova is pretty respectable.  Unless you are fighting flak early, the new Sova is pretty good.  It is trickier to use than the battleships because you have to know how to manage your fighters, but you can have pretty good results with it.

The new Sova is radically more powerful than the old.  They are simply incomparable; it's actually now one of the scariest capital ships a TEC can throw at you on a rush.  Now, mind you the TEC loses out on both the short-term economic benefit of the Akkan and the long-term military benefit of the Marza by doing this, but the very fact that the Sova now competes with these two great choices as a first-pick capital ship speaks worlds about its newfound strength.

It wasn't even good at Embargo rushing before due to the ability being bugged after level 1. But yeah, the current Sova is fantastic. Missile Batteries and Heavy SC are now very powerful abilities, and the ship itself makes a great pair with the Akkan.

Dunno when the bug got introduced or what, but Embargo rushes were very nasty....but this is WAAAAY back in the day.  There were people who really wouldn't play any other game but 1v1 on a 9 planet map and Sova rush you.  It wasn't even Sins of a Solar empire, it was Sova Rush of a Solar Empire.  But that is ancient history  -- 1.5 years ago.