Posting Someone ELSE'S work

You talk about especially of Work totally made by an other author like icons, wallpapers,.... Or also about eventually of for example logonxp where there are only the wallpaper made by an other author....

I agree.

depends look at a desktopX theme if the authors use a wall made by an other? or scripts? in this case all work post in dxthemes gallery should be put in this new gallery cause tell one who don't use a script by martin or mountain dragon for example.
And (cause it's my case) it's forget the work put on like made his own scripts/graphics/codes/...etc

I don't think the points, ratings, etc matter that much.  What do I care if user X gets a million points more than me?  Does it take away from the work I do?  Does it get them "ahead" of me in some way?

If they get permission and give credit and we all get more art (or whatever ) it's all good.

That's the way it SHOULD be, but in reality it is NOT the way it is.
They do matter to (what I suspect is the majority of) skinners/artists here and as long as those measuring devices are in place, people are going to be upset about things that disrupt the honest use of them.

LOL, of cousre, I  can say that because I have almost zero points of any kind.

If there were a finite number of points available and if I could trade in point for valuable prizes . . this would be a very different conversation.

{ring, ring}
"Hello Stardock."
"I'd like to trade 5000 FrogPoints in for an upgrade to CursorXP"
"Thanks!"
{click}

 

Although I have yet to figure out any type of "point system".
If it exists... how many points do you get for a high .   

Hah!  Edited!

I’m inclined to agree with Po’ and the fact that the submitter will gain merit from somebody else’s work, doesn’t seem fair! I can understand though if the original submission was a wallpaper but would look equally as good as a login screen or a window blind was created from a wallpaper not created by the ‘skinner’ of the blind. Permission granted of course!
I moderate for another graphic website and we do occasionally hit on this problem. Submissions with a????, as the author are usually thrown out but it can be just such a shame to see somebody that has shown talent in the past submitting something that is a sure ‘winner’ but the work in question is not in their style.
Perhaps a separate category for this type of upload would make it more official?

It all becomes very muddy when the prospect of ports, etc is considered as well.

I think people can take 'heart' that posting works 100% belonging to another [with permission] will do next to nothing towards promotions within the user-levels here, in comparison with original works and/or ports....

Silly ZubaZ... clearly they are Starbucks...

Ha.   

That is why I mentioned the defining of altered, adapted, etc. (You and I talked about this before..I got nutz!, I know) Ports of wb's by an author other than the original creator should fall into this category.

I understand the use of walls for boots and log-ons, etc. What I am talking about is taking something that someone else made and could submit here and submitting yourself.

Example..I have a wall on my DA site and someone asks me for permission to post the same wall here, as a wall. You can substitute the wall example for icon, wb, dxobject, etc.

I understand that they may have the author's permission, but my feeling is, let the original author upload it, otherwise, delegate it to it's own gallery so the artists who are submitting original work aren't competing with it for views, ratings, points, etc.

I'm only suggesting this and maybe I am not making myself clear or it's just to complicated an idea, I don't know. Again, I'm not trying to piss anyone off or anything. I understand all may not agree. Either way, let me know if you get what I mean. lol.

There's competition?  For what? 

A similar post popped up here last week due to an artist publishing someone elses work (with permission).  My interpettation of the end result was that WC is designed to showcase the art, not the artist.  Why make the system harder for the average end user who just wants to apply a cool wall or icon, or whatever?  As long as permission is granted and original artist cited the submitter has performed a service and the casual user can go about customizing.

I would rather the original artist submit here under their own name and get more direct credit but I'd hate to make it a hassle if they choose to give "distribution rights" instead.

The original artist can always say no, right?

It's been decided, except for the separate gallery. And they have plenty to do besides create more galleries.

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No problems for me Po' you ask a good question just i tried to clarify something

Thanks, Boss. I understand the point made and it's a good one. I do realize the stuff is going to be posted. Maybe it's just me, that I would like to see it separated from original work by the original artist in the gallery's.

All in all, it's no big deal. Just a thought I threw out here.

As a Wizop and employee, wouldn't the points and ratings be something you support?

I can see the point here.. If you work on something that is ALL YOURS and takes weeks or months, you post it, it gets a "fair" amount of downloads, but its buried in a swamp of other uploads that are not even the work of the people in the gallery, but of others, that could be upsetting, and maybe put you off from uploading.

But, it might also let you see what is popular, and you could work on things that are more popular if you want that.

I know its hard to look at the top 10 of a gallery and know that 2-3 of those top 10 are people who dont know how to skin their way out of a box, and your #11 or #100 who knows, it would bug me.. if i got bugged over that stuff, like fame, points, frogpoints, or starbucks..

I do agree with Jafo that the Admin's do know who is really making their OWN work, and who is porting things, and if all you want to be is a "citizen" then go for it. Dont look to make anything more then that.


I personally would rather have 100 downloads by people who know the work that went into the project, then 10,000 from people who will use it for 1 min then trash it when the next thing comes out. I know people that are using my work for months if not years. THAT is the real goal, making something that has LASTING VALUE, not fleeting fancy.

Just my 0.02

Yes. Thank you for explaining myself to me. lol.





If I did just what was popular, I probably wouldn't be writing this. lol. I agree with making something that has 'LASTING VALUE', though I have yet to achieve that. But I keep trying.

Ok..Now, No trashing Starbucks..I'll get bugged over that!

All BS aside, Po has a valid "point" .. no pun intended..

As far "as" the point system...Competition,notoriety, status is something that is in everything we do on this site, from posting our work to who is the most "popular poster" .. This site is built on status so you cant really say it doesnt matter...

Heh.  Look at me the mindless clone (that can't spell or type)? 

Support, yes.  Care . . not so much.

I guees it depends on ones use of the site.  I'm not one of the artists here.  I'm a user.  That's always been my focus.  And I've never used the points to find "good" artists so I could get thier skins.  I do sort by skin ratings sometimes but that's not related to points, is it?

If I was a big-time skinner I might care about my points.  Or, I might care about downloads. Or . . knowing me as well as I do, I'd make whatever it was for me and the community and watch the points/ratings/downloads as an aside.

I don't compare PC specs or penis sizes either; as long as they get the jobs done, I'm OK.    

Glad thats out of the way   

Now, if I let this comment go...my head will explode. The problem is anything I say will just get me in some really hot water. So, I will pick on something else.



I'm not either. But I am thinking of those who are as well as myself, perhaps because I'm not a big time skinner.


My downloads come mostly from the quantity of stuff I upload and not so much the quality. I van admit that. (And make a comment on the first quote at the same time. lol. No wait. That just makes it sound worse. lol. Frag it.)

I think Roman said it best for me. (Must cut my pain meds in half)

I think of ThemesXP (Not sure I got that right) where damn near nothing was original. I posted there years ago with my first PC and before I knew about WC. It used to drive me nuts to see my stuff lost in a sea of ripped images and such.

I have seen a few threads and comments of late about the use of 'other people's work' and was just trying to think of a way to do it that might work for everyone.
I may be wrong, but those who agree with me might find that it is acceptable and I can't imagine that those who are posting other people's original work (with permission of course) would be upset they had there own category. As Roman pointed out, it is a way to see what's popular and perhaps the gallery could even use that as a theme or something like 'From Around The Web'. I dunno. Just thinking out loud.

I don't expect everyone to agree or WC to change everything fr me. After all, I see things that aren't there.