I apologize to Wom. I didn't see he had said he allowed it. I was just trying to get some attention to the thread before it got more out of hand.

As far as going into IRC to report things.....

I went there to report someone had uploaded a rainlender that was an obvious rip of Treetogs work.
The parties that were currently in IRC laughed and didn't care AT ALL. I still don't understand the lack of response on their behalf. After proving (and they agreed) the rainlender was a rip, I left. Stardock central was working like crap and showed me twice on the list in IRC so I was accused of having multiple accounts. Oh swelll. I tried to do the right thing and got hassled and ridiculed in return.

3 days later, the rainlender was still in the library. I made a forum post and Fuzzy removed it so fast I went back in time.

Soo, guess where I am going next time there is something in need of attention?   

I know others that have had the same experience.

NT I haven't a clue how to get on IRC..and totally missed that "enter the text you see in this little box" thingie when I tried to send the e-mail...

I sincerely believed that a mod would see it, get in touch with me, lock the thread and we'd take it from there.

Regardless, a response from the mods was received, and decisions made. I am thankful that it no longer on the main page, but stand firm on my concerns.

Not sure when this was or who was on irc at that time NT.  Anyone with an @ in front of their nick would certainly not find a reported rip as amusing and when I have been on irc and a rip reported they were checked out immediately. I would hope that this was an isolated incident and that you check in on irc again even just for a chat. 

Well..I just looked at Betty's ( Boopish ) Gallery and all her skins are gone now too. As well as Cindi's ( CL Woods ) Gallery - both deleted. A rather sad outcome to this whole ordeal. The loss of 2 female skinners on a site that has very few female skinners left...

All for the sake of a visitors screen shot.

I only hope they will be back.  I will miss them around here.

I agree with Fairyy that it is sad to see two female skinners go in a predominately male community. And I hope that they come back.



Pamela Anderson & Betty Paige don't belong in the same sentence let alone on the same screen. Betty Paige is a lot more classy.

Ditto   

NO WOMEN?!

  

Ladies, Fuzzy has chocolate. Come on baaaack.

And what am I, chopped liver?

Ok so I'm not exactly a skinner but meh.



No doubt.

Boopish and CL Woods please come back!!!!!!!!!!

Something happened here today that occurs everyday in life. You come across or better put, run face first into a situation that tests your personal principals and morals. Since those two things identify who we are in this world they shouldn't be taken lightly. Boopish and CLwoods made a decision to leave based upon thier personal beliefs. I understand and respect thier decision. That being said, what are you, me, we, and us going to do about getting them back? I received and email from CLwoods, maybe I'll send one to Boopish. Couldn't hurt.    

I was hoping to avoid anymore thread writing on this subject, but I can see I am going to have to. I really appreciate your kind words Karen, Philly, Skinhit, and Quentin. It is a shame what happened here today. 3 Skinners were lost. I realize this site is mainly about men, and the loss of a couple female skinners probably doesn't mean much to most, but one of them was a male. My husband, who left before I did because of his principals.
It has been a very long day and one I wish to put behind me as quickly as possible and I'm hoping this last post will help me achieve it.
I am very hurt over today. My heart is broken and I feel like I have lost a part of myself. No site should allow the kind of picture that we are talking about on their site and the fact that members here that have supported the site through money, skins and help would be shoved aside and ridiculed for the sake of that child like porno screenshot and the level 2 visitor that posted it is way beyond what I will deal with. No matter how you cut it or how you say it or defend yourselves that is what happened here today. I was even attacked by someone I regarded as a friend and had prayed over their animal situation for many nights and days and when I wasn't doing that I was bumping the thread to keep it on top. It leaves a person cold. And just so you know, it has been a part of WC since I can remember that we are able to see who downloaded ours or anyones work. You just need to click on the downloads number on the actual downloads page and another page pops up and tells you. Try it, you will see for yourself. It had nothing to do with cookies and it's a good thing since I clear mine several times a day along with the cache.
I did not leave or announce leaving to be asked to come back. First that would imply game playing which I do not do, or that I need that kind of thing for my ego or self esteem. Truth is I supply my own ego and self worth to myself. Second there was no chance of that happening once I decided to leave. There isn't now, nor will there ever be. There is no amount of emails or asking that will ever bring myself or my husband back. I cannot speak for boopish, although I know her convictions are as strong as ours.
I do wish to be allowed the benefits of being a paid member, for which I will be through this year into January of 2008. I promise not to engage in anything here or be disruptive. I just want to be able to use that which I paid for.
In closing I would like to say thank you to all who supported me. I will never forget it. The 3 of us will still be in the skinning community. I have my own site and my husband and I are staff at Skinnalicious. If you feel like it stop by for a visit. We would be happy to see you.
Sincerely,
Cindi (clwoods)

this saddens me.. i see way to much of this.. people get upset and leave.. its such a shame..

Wow... all this was going on while I lurked on the forums and I didn't even notice.

My thoughts after reading this? (for whatever they're worth now)

If a submission is controversial enough that some well-liked, respected and contributive members of the WC community feel it is inappropriate enough to consider leaving, that submission should be immediately pulled and reevaluated. Especially when the subject is a screenshot.

The site's content isn't really what makes WC great, it's the community one encounters when one joins up, and even I know that TAWoods, CLWoods and boopish were (are) great people who had a very positive impact on many here, and who spent a lot of time and effort -and money also I'm sure, on WC and Stardock.

That this screenshot was allowed to cause so much ruckus is silly.
While censorship on a site like WC -where artistic creativity in a wide range of applications is encouraged- is difficult to enforce, incidents like this need to be dealt with on a case by case basis. But when reputable, long-standing contributing members of the community raise concerns, it's usually a good idea to at least pay close attention to what they have to say, if not take immediate action.

I for one am sorry that this was allowed to occur. I hope it serves as a lesson for the future: respect and value those who truly feed into the community which creates revenue. After all, this site thrives because of the input and cooperation of its regular members (skinners and customizers).

But there you have my opinion for it's worth.

Cheers.

THIS IS TRULY A SAD DAY @ WINCUSTOMIZE...WE HAVE LOST THREE VERY VALUABLE AND TALENTED PEOPLE AND FOR WHAT? A FRIGGIN VISITORS SCREENSHOT? I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WASNT DEALT WITH RIGHT AWAY...I ONLY WISH FUZZY HAD GOTTEN HERE SOONER B/C HE ACTUALLY DEALT WITH IT ACCORDINGLY! YOU THREE WILL BE MISSED MORE THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW...I APPLAUD YOU FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN...SEE YOU SOON...

I guess no one took note that the screenshot was in fact pulled.

I did, when I first saw this post.

i think they were all aware that it was pulled, but by then it was little too late...

CLWOODS! ABSOLUTELY NO CRITICISM WAS INTENDED. I HONESTLY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS FEATURE AND WAS ONLY ASKING HOW IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!! I EVEN TRIED TO REPLY TO YOUR REPLY, BUT WHEN I HAD CLICKED ENTER, THE THREAD HAD BEEN MOVED. THE 'REMEMBER TO ERASE MY COOKIES' CRACK AT THE END WAS JUST THAT...ME MAKING A JOKE AT MY EXPENSE...NOT YOURS. IF I WAS GOING TO ATTACK YOU, I'D DO SOMETHING CRAZY AND POST THE HEAD OF A DICTATOR ON YOUR BODY AND MAKE A BOOTSKIN OF IT!!!!!! PLEASE...THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO ILL WILL OR SARCASM OR ATTACK INTENDED IN ANYWAY AT ALL.

NOW I'M PISSED. THAT FREAKIN SS WAS MORE TROUBLE THAN THE TIME IT TOOK TO MAKE IT. IF I LOSE A GOOD FRIEND OVER THIS, I'LL PULL MY STUFF AS WELL.

HELL, THE GIRL IN IT LOOKED LIKE HALF A DOZEN OTHER GIRLS IN THOSE FREAKIN JAPANESE 'MODEL' SHOTS AND I NEVER DID FIND THAT PARTICULAR PIC WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR INFO ON THE MODEL.

Yes, it was pulled but only because Screen Shot itself did not meet the WC guidelines for properly obscuring the wallpaper.The author of the screen shot can still update the shot if he so chooses..with the same wall...unless you all decide that the wall itself is in fact not appropriate.

I have already received a letter from Bet - Boopish, she won't be back. I was hoping that everyone would cool off but it doesn't appear that is going to happen - sigh.

take it easy smedley....weve already lost three great people today the last thing we need to do is lose you too...give it a little time, CL will respond to your posts...