Perhaps the key words highlighted in BOLD black might help...just read those words.

The same goes here. I would really like assistance in getting all my work removed. This site is suppose to be for everyone and if one person is offended it should be respected and removed. I will not battle with desensitized people who think just because this is an adult site anyone can post any perversion they want and call it okay. I realize I am not the most popular person here, but there are some who have enjoyed my work. You will still be able to find it and Troys work at my site clwoods Gallery WWW Link and at Skinnalicious
WWW Link So long.

It's a valid and unarguable point that Fairry raises. A point valid enough for the shot to be removed by now without question.

Well ..I don't leave that easy...but its sad that it came to 2 members leaving over this matter. I believe they are leaving more because of the lack of support they received about this issue. This was blown out of proportion and it could of simply been resolved without all the comments that were meant to make the ones offended look petty and silly.

Once again ...READ comment 26 - I see PORN - SCHOOL GIRL LOOK - DEGRADE.

So if you think this was just an innocent pic of a Japanese model - your wrong.

This could of been removed simply for not following WC Guidelines for a wall not properly obscured. But I noticed that comment was skipped over twice. Ill ask again

"I asked about the WC Guidline rule " A Wall must be suffiently " OBSCURED "
Has that rule been tossed in the toilot ? "

While I don't find it offensive enough to merit leaving the site It does bother me that this sort of stuff is creeping in when i go out of my way to avoid it on other sites.

And the girl looks and is intended to look 14.

Exactly...



Absolutely...

I have no problems with classic pinup shots and even a tastefully done nudes..as long as the model LOOKS like an adult! This model LOOKS like she is barely into her teens...and that is the problem. As a survivor I can not, and will not, let this go unchallenged...it has nothing to do with being jealous that she looks so young...hell I was being carded well into my 30's - it's about keeping images that even HINT at exploitation of a child off a site! If this is let to go, what's next? I cannot in good faith remain loyal and supportive of a site that would let such a thing pass.

I can get their attention.

WTF is going on in the moderator's head that approved it?
You guessed right.   

There is a valid concern over the wall not being suffeciently obscured to prevent reuse.  As it stands, someone could take the bulk of that image and reuse it for something else.  For that reason I have contacted the author already this morning and will be temporarily moving it to his personal page only awaiting an update.

As to the content.  WinCustomize is not a G-Rated site.  That image would pass muster on prime time television or even in some cases in a PG movie.  It's suggestive yes, but no more suggestive than what we see on TV, in movies, heck even what we hear on the radio during the morning rush hour.

We can not moderate to the most restrictive sense of propriety present in the community.  I understand that you may be put off by that wall, but what about anything on the site that relates to religion or any religiously affiliated holiday?  I know people who are deeply offended by Christmas imagery.  Should we place a ban on Christmas walls, icons and skins because it offends an ever-growing number of people?

Like all things in life that might offend... just ignore it.  Don't download it, don't comment on it.  You're not being forced to view it.  The things you like and enjoy might offend someone else, would you rather your own material be banned, or would you tell people to just not look at it, since it's not being forced on them?

Christmas doesn't hurt anyone, child pornography does. Find another comparison.

Dont remember seeing that on the Radio   

Anyway..while Zoomba is for the most part right..and while yes diff people have diff tastes..a standard of decency is.. what it says it is.. and when you start lowering that standard you lose respect for yourselves from others whose standards differ.

There is a culture war going on in this country and If people don't stand up for what they think is right we all may as well give up right now and crawl back in our holes.

Its a fine line and I'd hate to have to draw it on a daily basis...But.. I would.. draw it somewhere.

Christmas doesn't breed rapists, child molestation, and pedophilia. And as far as being against religion here, I will say there have been some strides made to be more tolerant of it. However, I submitted a screenshot called :His Gift" for Easter and it was turned down for not being covered. Funny thing is it was covered with a rainy, widget gages, and everything. It was then accepted when I changed the title of it. Too bad I already removed all my work here or I could have shown it to you.

Zoomba beat me to it.  I was so concerned about the content that I forgot the obvious.  

Im not one that likes censorship..my initial reaction was to ignore it. I saw it was just a cheap tacky wall but I didn't zoom in on it. When I saw that others felt she looked like a child..I had to agree. While we do not expect you to censor unfairly, I think there isnt a person here that would advocate child porn or exploitation. As it stands - we can only assume that her age is 24 - but that could certainly be a lie. We really have no proof either way do we ? But the facts that Po' posted was enough to warrant a closer look...Porn - Schoolgirl look - Degrade.

The Author of the Shot found it amusing that he offended anyone... Perhaps because he lives in Japan where their Culture accepts this type of Picture. But regardless of her age - her purpose is to look like a child ...so she pretty much is trying to feed the souls of the child porn crowd. Not a high standard in my view.

No one is blaming you We appreciate the work you all do - sometimes though in our stride to be " cutting Edge " we forget that there are people that still have high moral values. I don't go to church and I can cuss like a sailor - but I try to respect others values.

This isn't about a difference in artistic tastes... I have defended other pics featuring CLEARLY ADULT semi- nudity it's about allowing an image that LOOKS like a very young teen or pre teen to be presented on a site that otherwise attempts to keep children and young adults SAFE! Put Pamela Anderson, or Betty Paige in that same shot and you'd get not even a whimper from me.

And Zoombas or Jafo can restore all your work. While I do understand your feelings on this 100% - maybe after everyone cools off you will reconsider.

Why was this allowed to get so out of hand? I'm not a skinner and don't download screen shots, but everything I have read in the forums here tells me that it shouldn't have been able to get in the gallery because too much of the wall paper or background was shown (as stated in Zoomba's reply). We loose in two ways here, not keeping to screen shot rules, and the lose of a skinners gallery. Valid, as all the replies are, they miss the point completely. Oh Brad, you did say you would be hanging out in the forums didn't you? I believe this is where you are supposed to step in and provided some quidance. clwoods, come back. Your skins and your help to others at this site is worth more than this screen shot.

Philly,

I did step in on the issue, as a Stardock employee, and appointed guardian of WC for most day-to-day items, the screenshot was removed from the public gallery due to the unobscured wall.  We are still enforcing the rules, it's just that from time to time something slips through. 

The rules for uploads remain the same.  Screenshots should have a suffeciently obscured wall image. And we still stick with PG-13 guidelines for content.

Zoomba, like alot of folks that reply in the forums I wasn't fast enough. While I was typing my reply you and a few others posted ahead of me. Sorry if my post came out looking like Stardock wasn't responding. I was able to edit once but not a second time. I know all about slips happening, I had a Oops the other day.    

It got out of hand because a public issue was made out of it. The matter could have been resolved almost instantly by making contact in private. I could have dealt with the screenshot had someone immediately contacted me in private, either by e-mail or PM (or contact another mod if I wasn't online), but by the time I arrived here it had already gone way beyond my area of responsibility (skin moderation).

So, as soon as I saw this thread, the screenshot, the direction things had already taken, I went onto IRC to get the attention of someone who could resolve the problem in a correct manner. It was sorted shortly thereafter.

re #45 that's ok - two just snuck in while I was typing mine!   

Must type faster
Must type faster
must type faster...

Well....I've managed not to get involved until now. Clearly this is a controversial screenshot and clearly the girl looks 14! What bothers me the most is that we are going to lose CL and TA Woods over this...That really sucks! What will become of the White Pearl if there's no Fandango?

One of the problems you run into with this lately is all the 'transparent' widgets, objects and media skins and such...which were used somewhat in that SS. I think some of their popularity is that they allow you a more unobstructed view of the wall.

If limiting in any way the amount of background shown is going to continue to be a standard in the guidelines, it may need to be adjusted. After all, you can't ask them NOT to use transparent items on the SS..or NOT to use the transparency settings in their vid card or in FX.

I have to ask..Why wasn't it sent to the personal page to begin with if the rating was so low, as one of my walls was and a few walls of other people? (Sorry, I don't know what the original rating was, so I may be out of line with that)

I may not have liked the SS or the subject matter in the wall (which all my looking around suggests the image is intended and quite purposely meant to resemble a young teenager in a suggestive pose...it seems it was not a new CD she has out but DVD with some more of the same in music video format..and I still don't get the title POPO-PORN) but I will applaud the admin's standing behind their decision to allow it...and more kudos's for sending it to the personal page of the author.

Fuzzy, I apologize for making this public...but I was having trouble with the e-mail thing...when I got it working, I sent an e-mail as well.