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'why was my wall.....' 'pro and cons'

'why was my wall.....' 'pro and cons'

i might be throwing myself before the firing line here, but i honestly don't mind when people post their requests for having a turned-down wall paper critiqued by the community. afterall, this is a forum for discussion. yes---you can say its a matter that must be taken up with an admin---but lets face it, the admins are busy; they don't send decline emails out because of the flak they generally get, and by comming to a hub of site activity you know you have a shot at the best of the best reviewing your work.

maybe i feel this way because every other day i spend 8 hours in a studio with my work on a wall, having stones thrown at me from 20 different people. but hearing opinions is what makes your work better; especially finding out what 20 different people like and dislike about it. when everybody flips out 'this is not the place for this question....' i think they're wrong, and it only makes the community here look elitist.

if people here have a problem with this statement, then i offer up my e-mail addie for those that drop by wanting an honest opinion of their work.

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Reply #26 Top
could it be: servers are going through change???

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i had the green apple theme and when i logged on i have the universal metal theme...
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I agree with Chas. Aside from the admins, no one here at the forum or the skinning community can review a design and give some input or suggestion that will make the design acceptable, especially after that design was declined.
If an author has made a design and needs some sort of critique before uploading, then as Pictoratus suggested, it will be a good idea to seek this type of opinion via email from artists that you think can give you the best advice. Keep in mind that no matter what suggestion anyone gives you, it won’t guarantee the approval of the design.
Making public a work that was declined and ask why wasn’t accepted and ask for a critique about the work wont help much and it will draw mix responses that usually fall off the track.
That is why the best approach to get a good input to better your work is directly to and from an admin. I know this by experience, when some of my work got declined I would address it to an admin and ask for suggestions. For the most part I did some re-work and got accepted, some others I just decided not to re-work them.
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Rather than clutter the sticky thread, it seems sensible to have a discussion about the issue separately...the sticky thread will be better to refer people to if it's kept as "pristine" as possible.

I'd like to offer some observations as someone who's been coming here for years to grab the odd skin, and since Christmas trying to contribute.

My first efforts to upload anything here were wallpapers, and were rejected. Quite rightly in hindsight. The process though was confusing.

Most other sites will take any ol' junk (they took some of mine! ).

This place is different though, and that means rejection is likely - especially as people learn what sort of thing is acceptable and what makes them of a good enough standard.

I've had many years experience of submitting things to various sites, and so when the "awaiting approval" wallpapers just vanished, I could guess what had happened and went hunting through the small print and forums to confirm my suspicions.

The point is that I hadn't realised what the process would be in advance, and I could easily have been confused enough to look for a forum to ask "has my wallpaper been rejected, and if so, why?"

This wouldn't have been prompted by arrogance, but by ignorance of the quirks of this particular process.

It should be remembered that it is only with experience that people will appreciate why some of their efforts don't meet the grade. It should also be remembered that someone's work may be artistic and very skillfully done, but it can get rejected just because of it's unsuitability as a wallpaper.

I agree that pre-discussion of a submission with people prepared to give useful constructive critisism (even in the face of possible rebukes) would be very useful to increase the standard of submissions before the moderators ever have to cast judgement.

The Skinning Discussion forum could be used for this, but from my experience, people won't tend to look there until they've already tried to submit something. Besides, I don't think most people contributing a wallpaper would think of it as "skinning".

So, what I would suggest is that the upload for wallpapers is treated differently in the following ways:

1 - when clicking on the "upload and then wallpaper" option, if someone hasn't contributed in the past, they should be guided to a page with BIG TEXT saying "This site maintains the highest standards for wallpapers and hence a great many have to be declined. Please ensure you read the guidlines and the tips about what to avoid (here 0). If you would like someone to offer constructive comments on your contribution in advance of submitting it for concideration, please go (here 1). Once you are sure your work is as good as you can possibly make it, then go (here 2)"
2 - the screen then says "Please do not be offended if the kind offer of your work is declined to be included on this site. This should not be taken as an insult as the moderators taste may just differ from your own. If you're work is taken for inclusion, you will hear from with a confirmatory e-mail. If you do not hear from us, and the submission has stopped being listed as "awaiting approval" then it means that it has not been accepted. You are welcome to submit future works." and then people can upload.

The constructive comments bit could be a thread on the skinning board, or a board all to itself which only people who are prepared to suffer any abuse from the newbies need ever look at, and which could have a restricted access to to prevent people who just want to say "it sucks!" from annoying everyone.


.....This is sort of how I managed to muddle through on my own, as I figured that my first efforts were substandard so I determined to make sure I made something good enough next time. I then looked to the forums to ask if there were a place to ask for feedback on the things which were still being rejected...I'd missed wherever it might suggest asking the admins, as I thought that would be needlessly bothering them. A kind admin offered some feedback which was really simple: "this is not an art site, it's a skinning site", and that has hopefully guided things I've done since....somewhat

So...what I'm suggesting is that people should be guided a little more into only submitting the right sort of things, and to help them improve, guiding people to some place to ask for polite feedback would be useful.

So...I agree with a number of the people above
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Sorry...thats too long! I only realised when I posted it
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1 - when clicking on the "upload and then wallpaper" option, if someone hasn't contributed in the past, they should be guided to a page with BIG TEXT saying ......

Perhaps that would be politic after any and EVERY wall upload....to be sure to be sure....)

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Oi....which mongrel blinded me smiley?...... Spell checker
Reply #33 Top
jafo - I hessitated suggesting the text for every submission as after a while people will stop reading it (if they read it in the first place!).

There are a lot of people complaining of blinded smilies...it seems semicolons are being censored by the scripts for some reason.. :-?
Reply #34 Top
Yes, there should be more info when people upload stuff to the site. (Although some people don't bother to really read what's already there now.)

But forget about walls.....we've a winky crisis here, folks! Where's me winky? (rhetorical question only please don't answer that, ) (I'd use a winky here but it's broken )



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) ) / ) / winky no work!!!
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',-) ?

Please excuse my wonky winky.
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Reply #38 Top
I've been lurking around on this board since the time before the moderators decided not to send out any rejection emails. Shortly after that the first "why was it not accepted?" threads started to pop up on this board and the never ending discussions started. I can also recall that a small pop-up screen as mentionend above by Sput (#29) was suggested shortly after those threads started to show up in an evergrowing frequency.

My point here. Why oh, why hasn't that been done yet???

Please, please, please T-man. I know you are very busy and overworked, but would it be possible to do something of this sort? If you would to this I would be in your dept until the end of time...

/me bangs her head against a wall in desperation and then goes back to lurking


Reply #40 Top
aufisch -ahw, ya mean I was reinventing the wheel, but I didn't know it because someone has not started mass producing wheels yet and they only exist in peoples memories of someone who once drew a wheel but no one actually made one yet?

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what's a wheel?
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@ #41 - something Microsoft once saw in a lab at Xerox and patented so that no one else will see it for another 20 years
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Oh, like an Ugg boot....p
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wow this thread got padded since i checked it oh 12 hours ago.

i see here a lot of pros, cons, and good ideas. but despite the other sections that could be used for discussion, the fact remains that they simply arn't. i use this analogy: if enough people are missing the exit on a highway, the architects must realize that the road is poorly signed or laid out. it cant be that a thousand people in the morning rush are just stupid. i too skip over the stickies because they are, so it's said, 'streaky'. its not noticable especially to people who have one thing in mind and thats getting some answers. and lets face it - how many people post help requests in the general section? the point still remains that this forum is the focal point and people can expect requests for critiques, and i think those requests should be honored. yes there are some very horrible walls we've all seen, ive pointed out a few. but i also noticed the worst ones are commented with "its my first post." regardless of whether they should have made it through moderation (that is not my point in this thread) those new people are still deserving of help. how else will they know to get better? if you don't want to participate - don't! no one is forcing you to reply to a thread.. so don't infuriate your SELF by feeling compelled to reply if you think it is stupid.

on that note, chas, while 'attempting' to be kind but being perfectly obnoxious, is still correct. i would likely receive thousands of emails on my offer to help. that is a problem which would occur if my addie was splashed on the main page. however that is not the case. what i expect from this that anybody who took notice of the thread to suggest me to someone who comes by looking for help - or, give help themselves if they felt compelled to. i didn't say i was a saviour. i offered to be one of hopefully many helpful people.

on another note - sig, 'what did i expect?'? to be flamed? sort of. regardless of wether you even replied to ME, it looks like i got a good ratio of civilized responses yet it is indeed sad that i was expecting comments like yours. like i said: no one forces anyone to respond to these threads. unless you win some kind of prize for most replies that i don't know about



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Reply #45 Top
oh - by the elitist comment, yes - i believe that anyone who feels so superior over someone else that they are compelled to ridicule them publicly is an elitist. no one was born a skinning god. people need guidence. myself and many others make jokes about some requests but i know i do my best to show i am joking.



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Reply #46 Top

Public posts get differing responses from different people.  Some are obliged to be 'politic' or at least 'PC', others like to score 'points' at others' expense.

Generally these 'why was this wall' threads can only be answered by the 'ones who done it', and the optimal arena is the modesty of email.

Public airing invites public scrutiny, some 'may' be beneficial advice, others may be an excuse to voice agenda/s regarding their own failed submissions....and a chance to do publicly what was done privately resulting in the abandonment of rejection emails.

If someone wishes for 'help' relating to a wall then the thread topic should be 'how do I improve this', not 'why was it kicked'....)

Reply #47 Top
"Flamed?" If you think you were flamed in this thread you must not get around much on the internet. Nothing that I've seen in this thread qualifies as a "flame." Try some other forums or usenet and see the difference.

Or perhaps Chas was right, after all...simply disagreeing with a poster results in an accusation of "flaming."
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Reply #48 Top
naturally, jafo. i agree i about the thread names should be clearer, absolutely, as well.

no, sig. i don't take offense to disagreement...only to comments written for the sole purpose of being insulting.

edit: nor did i specify that i was, in fact, flamed.
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Reply #49 Top
I think it's a craptacular idea!



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Reply #50 Top
jk btw p


wth...I can't wink
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