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Start11 RC1 Issue Report Thread

October 7, 2021 10:10:00 AM from Stardock ForumsStardock Forums

With the Start11 RC1 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Start11 RC1

Object Desktop members can get the release from within Object Desktop Manager 

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page: https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

For guest check-out purchase (no account), from this link: http://www.stardock.com/support/productkeyretrieval

Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that Groupy does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

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Reply #1 October 6, 2021 10:11:38 AM
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Start11 RC1 Changelog

  • Adds : Windows 11 menu style complete with pages
  • Adds : Windows 10 menu style complete with pages
  • Now supports switching DPIs on the fly and mixed DPI setups better
  • Significantly updated UI
  • New taskbar features on Win11 - replace right-click menu
    • Taskbar size
    • Taskbar position (top/bottom)
  • User-configurable quick access shortcuts list (AKA places list)
    • Supports rearranging, custom shortcuts, and places
  • Exposed options to turn on and off the animations, rounded corners, and menu offsetting from taskbar
  • Adds in the new search engine
  • Updated rounded looks for Win7/modern looks to look better
  • Options to use Win11 style all programs list on Win7/Modern styles if wanted
  • Added compact mode for Win7/modern styles along with easy access to config options for those
  • Support for bigger icons on the Win7/Modern styles
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Reply #2 October 6, 2021 10:15:43 AM
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Known issues

  • If you have Start10 on Windows 10 and install Start11, you will be asked to uninstall Start10 first manually, reboot, then start the Start11 install.  This is not ideal and we are looking to improve the update path.
  • Using native Windows 11 Start menu with the taskbar at the top of the screen and Start button centered, native menu will appear left-aligned.
  • There is a blank icon for Edge on Windows 10 that we believe is related an issue with Windows itself:
  • An uninstall may leave some files \ settings behind.
  • WB skins may have wider than ideal right-hand sides in Win7/Modern style when in compact mode
  • Some issues noted with Touchpads and scrolling:
    https://forums.stardock.com/507314/get;3820619
    Internal ref: ODNT-2664 
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Reply #3 October 7, 2021 10:44:40 AM
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With the release of Start11 RC2:

https://forums.stardock.com/507527

We are closing this thread.  A tremendous thanks to all that provided feedback here.

Sean Drohan
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Reply #4 October 7, 2021 11:03:46 AM
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Hello, is the update that should be released today on October 7th already there? (Automatic update function has not yet arrived.)

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Reply #5 October 7, 2021 11:56:51 AM
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Rearranging Start11 pinned apps is wonky. I'm using the Windows 11 theme, centered, and when I try to move arrange icons they don't go where they're supposed to and rearrange.

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Reply #6 October 7, 2021 12:01:06 PM
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Installed Start11 RC1 today. Easy to install, use and configure. Appreciate being able to move the taskbar to the top (works better with multimonitor configuration). One problem: with taskbar on the top, the control flyout gets cut off on the top. Using the latest Windows 11 build (22000.194) on a Lenovo Yoga 9i. 

Screenshot of clipped popup with taskbar on top

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Reply #7 October 7, 2021 12:10:15 PM
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One more thing I've noticed: the user's name is the username, not the user's actual name, next to their picture. It would be nice to have a choice as to username, first name, or full name. Personally, first name would be preferred. It makes it more casual IMO.

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Reply #8 October 7, 2021 12:26:47 PM
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Hi 

Im very disapponted that the start icon reset does not work .

I have 1) updated from 0.55 version and    2)  also separately  uninstalled / reinstalled, ( and rebooted each time )

The update version did show the changed icon once after reboot , but it reverted back when first clicked !

Please advise , I have not checked other features as I stopped at this error !

Of course this is with the start menu fixed to the left.

Regards 

I am using Windows 11 .194 version  from original beta release 2- 3 weeks ago , not from 05/10/21

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Reply #9 October 7, 2021 12:37:28 PM
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Quoting Compexpert,
reply 8

Hi 

Im very disapponted that the start icon reset does not work .

I have 1) updated from 0.55 version and    2)  also separately  uninstalled / reinstalled, ( and rebooted each time )

The update version did show the changed icon once after reboot , but it reverted back when first clicked !

Please advise , I have not checked other features as I stopped at this error !

Of course this is with the start menu fixed to the left.

Regards 

I am using Windows 11 .194 version  from original beta release 2- 3 weeks ago , not from 05/10/21

Thats not expected.  As long as the taskbar buttons are aligned to the left the button should be replaced by Start11 just fine.

Do you have any other software running which might impact explorer and is this on a primary or secondary display?

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Reply #10 October 7, 2021 12:44:59 PM
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Hi 

I have Truelaunchbar mobile version , shortcuts icon , sitting away from the taskbar , but just above the start menu icon .

I have now moved the shortcuts icon to  furthest side away from start menu , but then new start icon stays on for 2 clicks and still disappears !

 I only use one monitor display

Perhaps a problem ?

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Reply #11 October 7, 2021 12:49:16 PM
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reply 10

Hi 

I have Truelaunchbar mobile version , shortcuts icon , sitting away from the taskbar , but just above the start menu icon .

Perhaps a problem ?

If you uninstall it for a test, reboot, do you still see the issue?

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Reply #12 October 7, 2021 12:51:47 PM
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I noticed when you don't use a custom start menu button (when you align the start menu to the left) there is a blank space on the left side of the start menu that if you click it it opens the win11 start menu... very annoying... doesn't give you this space when you use a custom icon.... I'm on the RTM build of win11 (.194) and it shows on my 1440p display and 1200p display, the icon moves to the right a little when you disable the custom button and the space it creates makes this issue happen. (and even half the time when you use the standard win11 icon when you click directly on the start menu button it still opens the standard windows 11 start menu)

Space on the left side of the button and general non responsive with standard win11 icon:

No space and always opens right with custom icon:

 

Please fix this asap... really breaks the start menu and I don't want a custom icon on my taskbar for the start menu...(and I have to use the custom icon for now because of how broken the non custom one is...)

 

Also the universal application list on the win7 style menu opens up once semi cutoff behind (or infront) the start menu at times, and now refuses to open when I click it (the default option for this where it comes out as a list) I noticed this doesn't happen if I hover over universal applications and only happens when its clicked on... Only way to get the list to show up again if I click on it is to close and reopen the start menu and make sure I dont click and just hover...

Working but cutting off (when hovering):

Broken after clicked on:

I love the visual changes you guys made to this but you broke some major features along the way....

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Reply #13 October 7, 2021 1:16:58 PM
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Hello Sean 

The mobile version of Truelaunchbar is not "installed" but free running.

On removal of it  , inc startup folder entries in Windows 11 , the start menu icon on your program still changes back to the original.

There is no other similar auto start process  apart from Curtains 

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Reply #14 October 7, 2021 1:20:01 PM
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Is there a way to disable/remove the 'Recently installed' section that's at the top of the Windows 10 style menu? I'd like to get rid of it and have the 'A' section at the top instead.

 

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Reply #15 October 7, 2021 1:26:50 PM
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Windows 11 Professional 21H2 22000.194

Start Menu Style is selected Modern style.
 
1) When Start button is not aligned to the center of the taskbar and Start button is not customized,
If clicked outer part of Start button, sometimes Windows 11 default Start menu appears.
 
 
2) If click the Modern UI Applications in the quick access shortcuts list, sub menu does not appear.
It only appears on mouse over. But sometimes it doesn't appear even when I hover over it.
 
 
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Reply #16 October 7, 2021 1:31:10 PM
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Hi 

Seems "Curtains" has "apply icon to style" set which overrides the Start Menu 11 setting for its own  icon change .

If removed function is back to normal !

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Reply #17 October 7, 2021 1:34:15 PM
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Quoting Compexpert,
reply 16

Hi 

Seems "Curtains" has "apply icon to style" set which overrides the Start Menu 11 setting for its own  icon change .

If removed function is back to normal !

Kewl(tm).

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Reply #18 October 7, 2021 1:38:20 PM
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Quoting Compexpert,
reply 13

Hello Sean 

The mobile version of Truelaunchbar is not "installed" but free running.

On removal of it  , inc startup folder entries in Windows 11 , the start menu icon on your program still changes back to the original.

There is no other similar auto start process  apart from Curtains 

Please remove Curtains.  It does not work on Windows 11.

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Reply #19 October 7, 2021 1:39:12 PM
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Quoting absoluteunit,
reply 14

Is there a way to disable/remove the 'Recently installed' section that's at the top of the Windows 10 style menu? I'd like to get rid of it and have the 'A' section at the top instead.

 


Currently no, but I am sure we can see about adding an option for that.

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Reply #20 October 7, 2021 1:51:49 PM
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Currently no, but I am sure we can see about adding an option for that.

Awesome, thanks!

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Reply #21 October 7, 2021 2:01:26 PM
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on a laptop, using the trackpad with two finger scrolling isn't working

it does work in every other app / browser

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Reply #22 October 7, 2021 2:21:39 PM
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Triple monitor setup

Build 22000.194

Resize taskbar to big and medium work, but when going to small only primary monitor goes small, the 2 side monitors icons go small but bar stays medium.

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Reply #23 October 7, 2021 2:25:09 PM
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reply 12

I noticed when you don't use a custom start menu button (when you align the start menu to the left) there is a blank space on the left side of the start menu that if you click it it opens the win11 start menu... very annoying... doesn't give you this space when you use a custom icon.... I'm on the RTM build of win11 (.194) and it shows on my 1440p display and 1200p display, the icon moves to the right a little when you disable the custom button and the space it creates makes this issue happen. (and even half the time when you use the standard win11 icon when you click directly on the start menu button it still opens the standard windows 11 start menu)

Space on the left side of the button and general non responsive with standard win11 icon:



No space and always opens right with custom icon:



 

Please fix this asap... really breaks the start menu and I don't want a custom icon on my taskbar for the start menu...(and I have to use the custom icon for now because of how broken the non custom one is...)

 

Also the universal application list on the win7 style menu opens up once semi cutoff behind (or infront) the start menu at times, and now refuses to open when I click it (the default option for this where it comes out as a list) I noticed this doesn't happen if I hover over universal applications and only happens when its clicked on... Only way to get the list to show up again if I click on it is to close and reopen the start menu and make sure I dont click and just hover...

Working but cutting off (when hovering):



Broken after clicked on:



I love the visual changes you guys made to this but you broke some major features along the way....

Clicking on those links wasn't supported before I think, they have always been mouseover only so clicking actually did nothing for you.  Changes were made to handle mouse opening things and it seems there was an unintended consequence.  This will be addressed in a future update.  Thanks for letting us know.

With regards to the start button, it looks like there is a 1-2 pixel gap on the left of the start button which activates the Win11 menu BUT does not animate the start button as it isn't clicking on it.  This is bypassing Start11 as it works on the button.

We can address this in a future update.

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Reply #24 October 7, 2021 2:28:11 PM
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Triple monitor setup

Build 22000.194

Hide taskbar, primary monitor taskbar appears with mouse over, two side monitors you have to left mouse click to get the taskbar to show.

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Reply #25 October 7, 2021 2:29:55 PM
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Quoting cor3ys306,
reply 24

Triple monitor setup

Build 22000.194

Hide taskbar, primary monitor taskbar appears with mouse over, two side monitors you have to left mouse click to get the taskbar to show.

Does this happen without Start11 as we shouldn't be impacting the taskbar autohide in anyway.

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