Influence Victory Bug?

First and most important I am enjoying the game immensely, well done.

 

I am around turn 500. Under the Victory Tab, I click on Influence Victory. The button on the left states I have 64% at this time. The window that opens states I need 76% to win which I believe agrees with the manual. Also in the window now open it states I need 21% more to win. Obviously, 64% plus 21% is more than the 76% shown.

 

I have been pushing for an Influence Victory for a number of turns. Under the Govern tab and Timeline tab if I strike Influence, I get the graph showing influence over time. The graph shows all the players flat lined with no change in influence since around turn 440. I know it has changes since I have been pushing hard for a influence victory for the last 100 turns.

 

Along those lines, I was at 76% a few turns ago and it suddenly dropped down to 64%. This could very well be due to one of my opponents reacting to my coming close to an influence victory.

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Reply #1 Top

The number shown by the Victory Condition is the % success you have, achieving the 76%.  I'm at 90% right now.  And it states in the window, i need to spread my influence to 3% more of the galaxy.  At 100% victory condition, I will have 76% of the galaxy under my influence.

Concerning the drastic change, sounds like you may have lost a planet with a LOT of space in between.  Were you invaded by the enemy?

Reply #2 Top

@OP: your math is wrong. you control 64% of the galaxy and you need to control 76% of the galaxy. if you increase your current influence by 21%, you have the required 76% (a bit more actually, 64 * 1.21 == 77.44; i guess the numbers are rounded down for display)

Reply #3 Top

Correction..I just got an influence victory, and the number on the left is your progression for the victory, which happens at 100%.  When your progression hits 95%, you have influenced 76% of the galaxy.  The last 5% of the progression is the 10 turns you have to hold it. 

Reply #4 Top

I see what you (both) are saying, it's the percent of the victory condition not the percent of influence I have.

So why is the graph flat lined for all the players, all straight lines for the last 60 turns or so?

 

Reply #5 Top

the influence graph isnt the output of your influence, its the number of hexes that are in your ZOI.  Is no one conquering planets?  Just "waiting for your influence to out do theirs will take a long time.  And their influence increase may be matching yours.  Conquering a planet is much faster, as your remove that planets influence and add it to your own.

 

if you want to play passive and friendly, and just try to let your culture take over the galaxy, you will need MASSIVE amounts of influence buffs.  it could be done I suppose.  To flip a planet requires atleast 4X (pun intended) of influence.  This works our well when the AI trys to colonize a small world in your empire core, that you havent gotten around to, or a nice huge planet that they finally have the tech to settle, but you never had.  They will be out influenced in a heartbeat, and it will flip quite quickly.  But to use influence to push borders and slowly flip their planets, you need a lot of influence and the other races would have to neglect their influence.  it can be done, but they usually go to war with your, when your influence is pushing them back too much, and they consider you weak militarily. 

 

Your style would work great if you are outmatched militarily, and have excellent planetary defenses to make them invasion proof.  influence would be the silent killer, but its still a slow process as you have to fight their influence.  Make sure to use Influence Adjacency bonuses well on influence improvements, starbase cultural improvements, high population approval, but its still a nurturing process.

 

I just finished an Alterian game.  Influence was great, but I decided to put more focus on research of military and win the old fashion way.  I happened to get an influence victory first, but taking control of enough of their space (and they surrendered to me in the end).  It might be fun to try to just play defensive and try influence only, but the AI can have VERY long range ships, and you will have to fight space battles eventually.  else, starbases and shipyards will get wrecked.

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Thank you for your reply. I do understand the logic. I looked back at saved games 20 turns apart. My planet influence grew. I was doing nothing but build star bases with culture modules around planets for those twenty turns (and many turns before that). My percent of victory condition dropped from 75% to 64%. Something is changing over that time. Below is the influence graph for 100 turns. Shouldn't there be some change reflected on the graph? Am I just missing something here?

 

Oh well, I took a screen shot and saved it. Now how do I show it? I need an image URL? Anyways, every player on the graph has been flat lined for 80 turns or so, just didn't seem right and I wanted to draw it to the attention of the developers.