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Pacov's favorite dg game replays

Pacov's favorite dg game replays

Well, zen's got himself a nice thread going over here http://forums.demigodthegame.com/408072/page/3

Figure I'll join in.  I had a game tonight that, perhaps I was just in a good mood, but was quite a bit of fun.  You might want to watch this game just to ask yourself if you'd have been frustrated if you were me.  Then ask yourself if you are on the other team how fugging frustrated you must have been. 

It was a SUPER aggressive game... like the majority of each and EVERY encounter was to the death.  The sedna on my team was interesting to say the least.  No apparent understanding of sigils; no concept of getting healers (and it appeared to be a high level heal sedna no loss).  The other team eventually adopted a "LET'S KILL SEDNA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE" strategy... which is really a "pacov... make sure you have full mana and pack lots and lots of tps" strategy for me.  The best part of my no sigil sedna was how often he'd return at the right time for a kill. After being chased down and nearly killed (without a sigil or HEALERS no less), he'd be right back in there trying to pounce a speed da or ub... he saw me tp in, he'd turn around and give chase... even if he had like 800 hp.

Anyway, it was a really crazy game.  You'll notice some quick nonsense at the beginning where I tell my teammate I'm getting clerics only to find out he didn't grab monks, but beyond that... its just an entertaining game of the other team trying to gank over and over and mostly me running in to try to save and then gank myself.  It was nuts... my teammate would be about to die one second and doing silly things... then the next moment, going for a portal when he saw the opportunity.  Its actually a really solid game for me as well... I think I made 1 error in judgment the entire game (and it didn't cost us a thing... not referring to the silliness at the beginning of the game.. that was bad...).

Anyway, watch away if you like.  No mods required for this game.

CheesusCrust Forces of Light Lord Erebus 160 Won
mesoStoned Forces of Light Sedna 0 Lost *
UltraNoob33 Forces of Darkness Demon Assassin 55 Lost
etasan Forces of Darkness Unclean Beast 0 Lost *

 unfortunately, when etatsan quit before the game ended (like less than a minute) he took meso with him, so meso didn't get a win.

Link to the replay:  http://www.box.net/shared/oar44z8hh1peklsdkus8

7/18/2011 -new replay

going to add the 1v1 vs papp I was tricked into (DIE_MINION!!!! YOU AFK BASTARD!!).  Anyway, its 2 tier 1 folks fighting it out - I went reg vs tb, so slight adv to papp on dg selection.  Pretty solid play that gives everyone a nice example of a tb trying to juke mines from a reg (and a reg trying to adjust to stop throwing the mines and pick where I think tb will end up) and a reg trying to compensate for a hybrid tb with 2 interrupts.  Plus the usual reg trap fun.  If you don't play alot of reg, this would be a good game to watch for how I try to set traps... pretty sure I tried to set > 10 in this game.  TBH - I don't completely regret my decision to go early priests... part of me did it because I wanted to end the 1v1 (as it's not my fav game and pro 1v1's can take hours) and the other half of me was using it to distract ppap so he'd try to farm while I whittled down his towers by the portals.  In hindsight, I'd probably have been better off to go cur2 and stall.  I really don't suggest anyone go early (or late priests in a 1v1 unless you are up against someone with no aoe that hasn't picked up natures reck.  I choose to for the reasons above (strategic and suicidal).  ... anyway, here's the replay.  No mods required to view.  Adding this to the OP.

http://www.box.net/shared/f1y9ba44qr96nidjnk57

And just to clarify - the game was meant to be a 2v2 (zen+ppap vs pacov+die_minion).  Die minion was afk and zen agreed to stay at base until minion came back... which he never did... so it became a 1v1. 

And that said, ppap certainly beat me.  Outside of the priest decision, I certainly played my best.  Fun game and well played.  You can even see me still trying to work it out late game with him having giants.  I saw him linger after he got my portal before the tp, so I figured he probably couldn't relock or stop me from retaking.  LOVE seeing players being very strategic and keeping the push on.  Even after he fugged up by staying long enough for me to recap the portal.  Very little lag.  I think I wasn't able to adjust a total of 2 mine throws throughout the game.  And that's pretty good.  Sucks that I couldn't change them, but really... 2 misses because of lag the entire game is not so bad.  Great game.

 

 7/24/20111 - new replay

adding a replay so zen can't complain about my replays being crap anymore:

http://www.box.net/shared/a738r3ttapbdv5njfhhi

This one is me and mcbane vs nils and zen.

Mcshane and I get WAAAAYYY behind on ws and I change up tactics to harass the crap out of their portals (as I know we can't take them in combat).  So, I do my dance and distract the crap out of the them was much as possible.  Was a super fun game.  Ended with me and mcshane holding 3 portals and nils banging away on the citadel with giants, etc. If we had been able to stop 1 more wave of creeps we'd have probably won it.  Super fun game.  Adding to op.  If you want to see a super annoying sedna... watch

7/28/20111 - new replay

well, here we go.  A new replay.  This one is for you folks wondering about gaabriel.  He tore up rin and thunder a wee bit in a 2v2 game tonight. 

gaabriel Forces of Light Regulus 190 Won
CheesusCrust Forces of Light Sedna 120 Won
Thundercles Forces of Darkness Torch Bearer 40 Lost
TSK-Rin Forces of Darkness Queen of Thorns 0 Lost *

He bought cur1 and cur2.  Solid play throughout on his part.  He took HW and stole one wave from me.  Asked him to stop and he was 100% after that first wave.  No complaints.  Got to play lazy never die sedna and relax most of the game.

Anyway, his strat was pretty damn solid.  he was a low HP reg, but had a sigil pretty much 100% of the time after ws2 or 3.  He's fight and get fugged up... then run, getting close to the point of death.  I'd see this and light up my tp to come heal, he'd pop his sigil and his opponent would be forced to run thinkging FUUUUUGGGG.  Sigils are crap value when you only get 1500 or so out of it, but he milked it perfectly.  Folks generally assume there will be a pot to save more etc... but he always went for the good stuff even at a big cost to him.  It paid off.  Could hurt a hell of a lot in other games, but he scored quite a few solid kills using his kite (look at me I'm super low HP reg) and sigil method.

From playing this game, I think gaab is a much better reg than a sed.  Or maybe perhaps he's just much better in 2v2.  He did a great job and I pretty much was along for the ride. 

http://www.box.net/shared/k84drdcdo6x0bf3ktzyx


7/28/20111 - new replay

just had a fun 2v2.  thunder(hybrid tb) + pacov (never die sed (well i did die once :P )) vs zen's erb (he didn't just save for godplate to my chagrin) + ppap (hybrid tb).  My team lost.  I think the good things to watch were zen and ppap being super aggressive and mindful of the map for when to push and be obnoxious. I think I made a pretty solid decision pushing their portal when they were obssessed on trying to grab valor vs thunder.  I think I had a VERY solid strat then anyway.  I had just been "kinda" forced to run the crystal.  I figure they were expecting me to come back to mid and fight, so I immediately ported over to hp and ran to their portal.  They didn't even try to tp to me, so I'm pretty sure thunder put up a good show to keep their attention.  Its difficult in pro games to get sneaky, but I think I pulled that off without them figuring out what I was doing as it was a pretty quick move.

They obsessed early on tearing down the middle towers.  This is a GREAT end game strat as it means you can easily push for portals or valor.  I don't have any major complaints about how my team played.  I wish we'd have gotten giants as I had 2 waves pushing their cit solid at the end.  Giants MIGHT (and it a big might) have made a difference in us killing their cit before they killed ours.  I didn't really get to check thunders money situation out at the end, but I'd wager he was in the same boat as me (had 3800 or so when the game ended).  I figured I needed to keep my kit, but in hindsight, they left me solo their cit for a bit, so I probably could have sold). 

Other thoughts - I love that ppap can be made to obsess about siege archers, etc.  He did a pretty solid job of handling them as I tried to walk them by him, but I, as a rule, just let those fuggers tear down my towers if I have to.  I usually view leveling up and getting flag control as a higher priority than dicking around with the little guys.  That said, I probably should have grabbed natures reck to compensate a bit as it was clear it was going to be archer fun from zen.

I also love and hate this sedna build.  I absolutely hate lacking the dps I get from my fu die sedna build.  I get that I really need to go with live forever sed in 2v2, but so often I'm thinking... wow.. I just pounced for 400 and they have 3k hp... wooo... check me out.  I can silence them now and my teammate only needed to magically do 2600 dmg.  fing low dmg build.  Still... live forever is nice.  But also boring... had a moment where it was me vs zen for like 2-3 minutes i think... him expecting me to run out of mana and run, me knowing I'd never get an adv on him, but there was no reason to run.  Pretty boring, but oh well. 

Here you go if you like:

http://www.box.net/shared/caaebnvjnlcy70rmrujp

 

 

 

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Reply #76 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 72
sedna is op
End of OMG_pacov's quote

Sedna is the absolute best 1vs1

Reply #77 Top

Sedna is the absolute best 1vs1

I believe this comment deserves a rather harsh reaction from both hedgie and yours truly  :grin:

Reply #78 Top

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 75

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 70don't bullshit about UB not being OP. 

Some things are OP, some things are UP

OP
ooze
Acclimation

UP
Bestial Wrath
Grasp II,III
End of LORD-ORION's quote

Internal balance doesn't matter. 

UB is OP externally, that's really all that matters. Internal balance is completely irrelevant in regards to "perfect play" discussions. 

By that logic, Sedna would be UP because her entire "morale" line is utterly useless and the rest of her skills don't compensate for it. 

Reply #79 Top

Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 78

Quoting LORD-ORION, reply 75
Quoting awuffleablehedgie, reply 70don't bullshit about UB not being OP. 

Some things are OP, some things are UP

OP
ooze
Acclimation

UP
Bestial Wrath
Grasp II,III

Internal balance doesn't matter. 

UB is OP externally, that's really all that matters. Internal balance is completely irrelevant in regards to "perfect play" discussions. 

By that logic, Sedna would be UP because her entire "morale" line is utterly useless and the rest of her skills don't compensate for it. 
End of awuffleablehedgie's quote

Please explain the cause of UB's "external" OPness.

Reply #80 Top

Please explain the cause of UB's "external" OPness.

Hmmm, that's totally self-explanatory, and I believe you are not nearly so naive, L-O :) Ideally, a team needs a decent UB to counter a decent UB on Cataract (which is the most widely played map by far). That is OP. Certain skills the UB has are, indeed, UP "internally" in comparison to his own skill tree. 

Reply #81 Top

Listen - the bottom line is that if you are ub, you automatically win. 

heh... what are you folks on about now...

Reply #82 Top

You guys are so goofy sometimes reading into stuff. I am not being belligerent, I honestly want to know what "external" factors Hedgie is talking about on UB's OPness that are not caused by Ooze or Acclimation.

 

Reply #83 Top

http://www.jeeplays.com/replay/details/1/58

2ub lose against sedna oak. so op!

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=206154

orcun was getting beaten up by da, and wanted me to concede! ub so op!

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=206155

op ub lost!

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=215822

1v1 erebus beats up ub after i have acclimation orb of defiance and j treads, damn he must be broken!

other games:

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1673384/player/47067/

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1693460/player/128993/

ppapanek was ub here, didn't win either.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1693026/player/59787/

 

my point is: ub is suppose to be a killer especially when you put him solo on mana flag and has to buy no citadel upgrades and 15% increased hp flag, and that is all he has, so evidently he will get more kills than oak and erebus that have escape and support abilities. But once a team gets organized it becomes very difficult to dominate with ub. I don't see you pacov playing ub. and the ones i saw you lost miserably. UB is damn tough to master, which is why only like 4 people know how to play him. But the same counts for all other characters.

 

Reply #84 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 81
Listen - the bottom line is that if you are ub, you automatically win.

heh... what are you folks on about now...
End of OMG_pacov's quote
the pug order right now is rather if you have rook you won't lose

Reply #85 Top

UB is damn tough to master, which is why only like 4 people know how to play him

I can see your point here (high level UB play is hard, exciting even, though it may look you all are just mindlessly aggressive and egotistic), and I surely don't subscribe to Pacov's point of view (UB=auto-win button). However, you must admit no other character grows that OP when soloing mana on Cata with a team that knows to support him (both by buying upgrades and in battle).

Reply #86 Top

Quoting OMG__IN1, reply 85
UB is damn tough to master, which is why only like 4 people know how to play him

I can see your point here (high level UB play is hard, exciting even, though it may look you all are just mindlessly aggressive and egotistic), and I surely don't subscribe to Pacov's point of view (UB=auto-win button). However, you must admit no other character grows that OP when soloing mana on Cata with a team that knows to support him (both by buying upgrades and in battle).
End of OMG__IN1's quote
i think rook becomes stronger especially with great support when you put him on mana and he won't need a single damn tower. And occulus can match the growth in strength, especially with ueberfix. oak endgame is also unstoppable. erebus i've only see die_minion pull of late game stuff with the 3s aoe stun. yeah and that's the tier 1 list ^_^ pretty balanced imo

Reply #87 Top

lol some people are just too funny..

Reply #88 Top

i think rook becomes stronger especially with great support when you put him on mana and he won't need a single damn tower.

Stronger - no. Comparable with a good support - maybe.

And occulus can match the growth in strength, especially with ueberfix. 

With Uberfix... From several games I've played with Shane as Occ: yes, agreed.

oak endgame is also unstoppable.

Oak is not unstoppable, he's unkillable :) Which is bad enough, to be sure.

 

Overall, the only thing I find idiotically OP about UB is Acclimation. Needs to be halved to be proportional.

Reply #89 Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 83
UB is damn tough to master, which is why only like 4 people know how to play him.
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

this is quite possibly the silliest thing I've heard today anyway.  heh. 

and side note... I'd have thought sarcasm would be a little bit easier to detect, but I'll fill in the blanks.

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 81
Listen - the bottom line is that if you are ub, you automatically win.
End of OMG_pacov's quote

This is a joke.  Thought that would be clear because of how idiotic it sounds... :typo:

Reply #90 Top

lol some people are just too funny..

We started this thread only to keep you entertained till Wednesday, nnnils  O:)

Reply #91 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 89
this is quite possibly the silliest thing I've heard today anyway. heh.
End of OMG_pacov's quote
maybe once you master him yourself it will sound more intelligent to you;)

Reply #92 Top

this is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've heard today anyway.  heh. 

I disagree. Zen is right. A 'casual' noob-mid UB (spit->right-click) is very easy, no doubt. Even I can play that kind of UB and get away with it. However, Orcun actually told me he considers UB to be the toughest character to master: obviously, not because he thinks hitting 1 key is difficult, but because you must have a great game sense and a calculator instead of a brain to know when exactly to attack, when to retreat, when to port. Granted, that is true about any carry-type DG, but still...

Reply #93 Top

I'll keep practicing.  Spit... right click... grasp... (waaaaiiiittt - don't grasp immediately always... sometimes save for stun)... play same dg over and over... don't buy upgrades... get jtreads... almost there.  :P

I'm over simplifying, but couldn't disagree more.  Easiest dg to use is ub imo.  Doesn't mean you can't be a great ub, but really now...

Reply #94 Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 93
I'll keep practicing.  Spit... right click... grasp... (waaaaiiiittt - don't grasp immediately always... sometimes save for stun)... play same dg over and over... don't buy upgrades... get jtreads... almost there. 

I'm over simplifying, but couldn't disagree more.  Easiest dg to use is ub imo.  Doesn't mean you can't be a great ub, but really now...
End of OMG_pacov's quote
i'm very disappointed

Reply #95 Top

ok... I'll clarify a bit for you.  Technically speaking, ub has fewer abilities to use than most dgs... there's the on off of ooze, spit, and grasp.  Ooze isn't super tactical, mind you, with the exception of trying to kill/save yourself (or to break loose of grasp early), so really, it comes down to using 2 abilities well.  Now that's just with the demigod itself.  Compare that to a sedna or perhaps a hybrid tb.  There are many different options with other dgs. 

I could say, give you 1 ability, let's just say spit.  And let's say that the only thing UB can do is spit.  Now, you could develop amazing tactics around spit.  You could become the best at kiting with it, etc.  Then you can add in grasp and come up with the most tactical things... interrupt at the right time, save the grasp while you chase, etc. 

Then everything else generally falls under the category items everyone else can buy.  And for that, its really a matter of developing 1v1 tactics for soloing mana (carry pots/sigils), team tactics (watching for ganks, etc).  But its pretty much the same thing any good player would focus on. 

I'm still not saying you can't make playing ub an art form and be amazing at it and certainly don't belittle folks that use ub.  I'm saying that compared to most dgs, he simply has less abilities to utilize (eg is obviously easier to play competently than a hybrid tb), isn't typically required to purchase citadel upgrades, and, if decent, is able to level at a faster pace than the rest of the team.... and he only has to use 2 different abilities generally speaking and turn ooze on and off. 

So yeah, I do think its one of the easiest demigods to use.  I suppose we can argue about the whole "toughest to master" thing, but frankly, I don't know... that's a bit of a stretch to say with many demigods.  Anyway, just my 2 cents. 

Reply #96 Top

I think fire TB is the easiest to use.

Reply #97 Top

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 86
i think rook becomes stronger especially with great support when you put him on mana
End of JUSThaveFUN's quote

And not saying I disagree with you, but what happened here zen http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=197020    You're on mana with a monk and the HP flag most of the time but UB just tears this game up

Reply #98 Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 97

Quoting JUSThaveFUN, reply 86i think rook becomes stronger especially with great support when you put him on mana
And not saying I disagree with you, but what happened here zen http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=197020    You're on mana with a monk and the HP flag most of the time but UB just tears this game up
End of GM-McShane87's quote
i don't think this is a good replay. because of the snipe support and slow of reg. maybe if i went blood rook with armor and hp in the beginning i could have hold it. also pacov underestimated the power of reg in combinations with ub's speed.

The rook has to be played more like orcun's or ppapanek's without any feeds. http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1693026/player/59787/

not sure if you remember this game but i was shut down the entire game as ub against this massive rook on mana flag.

Another game more relevant is maybe when renz/orcun lost to tsk rin and ppapanek as ub reg against rook fire tb.

ppapanek got killed multipile times, but even though eventually was too strong for ub. I don't have this kind of teamplay with pacov, everytime sth goes wrong it seems to me pacov gives up. koreans play to the bitter end and reorganize fast even 3 -5 kills down.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1673322/player/59787/
any other team would have surrendered and cried UB as op, but not rin and ppapa

Reply #99 Top

Quoting nnnils, reply 87
lol some people are just too funny..
End of nnnils's quote
? someone wants to get prooven wrong again? ;D

Reply #100 Top

Quoting GM-McShane87, reply 96
I think fire TB is the easiest to use.
End of GM-McShane87's quote

seeing as this is super off topic thread fun house, how so?