What is the truth?

Part 2: Time to grow up

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I will say that I understand children need to be protected and nurtured and brainwashed (for lack of a better term), but what is dumped into their heads from birth is all they have to work with. They do not have the cognitive skills or the reasoning ability to question things and wouldn’t comprehend it if they could. Nor are they able to refuse or opt-out, so in their world the gospel, so to speak is whatever they have witnessed or been told. Just because the parents believe something to be true has no bearing on its validity, only on its perceived value, but one has to start somewhere I suppose.

Educating the parents (1) would be a good start here and so would the complete destruction of the Department of no-Education (2). [Since I am here in whimsical land, why don’t we take out the Department of no-Energy as an additional constructive gesture?] The problem with (1) though is that they have been raised under the control of (2). Think about that and then look at what the educational system is putting out. Do you honestly think the deliberate dumbing down of our children just started with this generation? My goodness no … It has gone through enough generations to filter all the way to the President of the U.S. and that happened many years ago.

If YOU are religious, you teach your children early of its merits, sanctity and uncontestable divinity. What do you suppose they teach Muslim children, Christian values? How about the rest of the world … Christian values? I wonder who decided that only the Christians got it right and all the other billions didn’t (Just a thought).

A poor black (pick your own color) person, whose family has lived under the auspices of the Democrat Party for generations waiting for what (?) salvation or for more handouts, is a slave of the system by choice? What do you think their children are blessed with during their formative years?

I am an atheist and do not care what you think or believe, these are our choices. The  I find it offensive though for idiots to hide behind the name just to object to anything religious. Why should a real atheist care? What have atheists got to offer except ‘oblivion’? What do you think the above idiots teach their children? Etc., ETC., Etc.

Here we are again ... ‘What came first, the chicken or the egg’. [There is only one correct answer] Do we teach the parents or the children and who teaches what to whom? This of course is how we do it now with predictable and calculated results. The answer is as simple as eating Grams apple pie was hehehe.

The truth shall set you free … wonder where it keeps hiding though? With a few exceptions, it is difficult to find it in print, on the radio or on the T.V. or so it seems in the schools. The truth has to actually be sought to be found and sadly this is just too much trouble with all the talking points around. The internet is only a few clicks away and has ALL the information available to make competent decisions … for now. Nope, rather be on twitter or Farmville or whatever, go figure.

This is the real problem as I see it: How do you teach an undereducated bigot who already knows everything about everything … well anything? I don’t know about you, but I cannot get beyond the talking points with most people without determination on my part … which usually ends the conversation anyway. Yes, I am cynical when it comes to The Government and when trying to communicate with idiots … and for good reason IMO.

JUST STOP LYING and being dishonest, deceitful, two-faced, insincere, misleading, mendacious … and all will be well, eventually. Seems like a little honesty could go a long way here don’t you think … and it is completely FREE.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Educating the parents (1) would be a good start here and so would the complete destruction of the Department of no-Education (2). [Since I am here in whimsical land, why don’t we take out the Department of no-Energy as an additional constructive gesture?] The problem with (1) though is that they have been raised under the control of (2). Think about that and then look at what the educational system is putting out. Do you honestly think the deliberate dumbing down of our children just started with this generation? My goodness no … It has gone through enough generations to filter all the way to the President of the U.S. and that happened many years ago.
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I am glad you wrote that, especially the last part.  For it is a vicious cycle as you have noted.  I do not agree with your total premise, but you did see the problem (and I agree with the problem as expressed).  I just think you place too much emphasis on lack of cognitive skills.

And yes, getting rid of those departments would be a good thing for this country.  I have worked in education (not as a teacher, just as support - networks) for almost 20 years.  And the problem does start at the top (the feds) but is not limited to them.

As for the article as a whole, I think the proof of the errors in it are the people you see excelling.  I am not talking about the leeches who excel at getting elected. but the people who create and build.  They had parents just as we did, they were educated just as we were.  And yet they were not limited by their parents knowledge or lack thereof.  And neither are we.

Whether you like religion or not, whether you actually believe in no god or just hate the shackles that religion has imposed on people, the truth is that we all have our own minds to make up.  For every indoctrinated person you point out, I can point out one that has gone their own direction, even after a childhood of being raised with a certain creed.  faith is not the problem.  You faith has not made you a destructive person.  But it is the megalomaniacs that infest both politics and religion, and who then bend it to their will, that are the problem.  It is not a coincidence that religion and politics are often mentioned in the same breath. For that is where the least productive members, the leeches of society, congregate.  It is an easy ticket for the lazy to leech off of the productive members of society.

Note, I do not say ALL religious are leeches.  But there are far too many for my likings.  And not only in the faiths you list, but in the faiths you do not list as well - such as atheism.

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

As for the article as a whole, I think the proof of the errors in it are the people you see excelling. I am not talking about the leeches who excel at getting elected. but the people who create and build.
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Sorry Doc, but the article was not intended as a documentary. I would have thought the examples were self-explanatory, that I was concerning myself with the lower class lot. There is no doubt that you should be able to outdo me by 20 to 1 on success stories (at least) but I was not presenting a contest, I concede the point. The article was only intended to explain why it is next to impossible for these people to gather the wherewithal to change their perspective enough to want change (pun intended).  I do not know how religion always seems to seep in because I could give a rat’s arse, but once the Bible shows up, it is all over.

And yet they were not limited by their parents knowledge or lack thereof. And neither are we.
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I would have to call you out on this one because I believe this to be your opinion and cannot be statistically proven as far as I can determine. Do you really think the people running around today have the same education as we got?

Note, I do not say ALL religious are leeches. But there are far too many for my likings. And not only in the faiths you list, but in the faiths you do not list as well - such as atheism.
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I am still having trouble with your attempts to make Atheism some kind of religion. I myself have placed in this category, but it was only for convenience sake. Sorry, it just does not compute. Religion is completely faith based whereas I am a realist and have no faith in anything besides myself … the only person I have or want control over. It makes about as much sense to me as telling me I have faith in gravity or the speed of light. Guess it is a moot point though.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

I would have thought the examples were self-explanatory, that I was concerning myself with the lower class lot.
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I did not get that impression, but even then I could probably outdo you.  Many from the lower income brackets (royalty has classes, we have income brackets) excel as well.  I can name a very famous one - Dr. Walter E. Williams without batting a google eyelash.

The article was only intended to explain why it is next to impossible for these people to gather the wherewithal to change their perspective enough to want change (pun intended).
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The problem is your use of the word impossible.  Hard, difficult, yes I would agree, but not impossible nor even remotely possible.

And I brought religion into it not as a slap at you, but because of my disdain for many people in religion.  I view them as no better than politicians, and since politicians are the easy target, figured to give one that was perhaps less apparently so.

Do you really think the people running around today have the same education as we got?
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Generalizations are inherently false.  Specifics and statistics may give you trends and averages that would support a general conclusion, but not qualifying a generalization with "as a rule" makes it false.

 

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

What is the truth?
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Time to ask, what is truth to you?

Religion is completely faith based whereas I am a realist and have no faith in anything besides myself … the only person I have or want control over.
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I, as a religious person (Catholic), know that I cannot face life unaided and that is not at all a detriment. We don't ridicule a child at school who cannot face the problem of mathematics without the help of a master.  Catholicism doesn't sap self reliance and initiative. These I use to the full  and ask additional help from Almighty God.

There is a saying that no man is an island and no man can do everything for himself.  Man is very conscious of his limitation and if he wishes to behave as though he were God, that is, quite self sufficient and capable of all things, he denies the truth of his limitation.  

The irreligious man is the weakling, shirking the duty of rendering to God what is due God; shirking the humility of admitting that he is not perfect, cannot do or know all things. In short, shirking the greatest truth of life.  

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

I thought there were more examples, sorry, I must be getting gun shy.

Generalizations are inherently susceptible to PC, but, at some point, the reader has to use some common sense themselves. I appreciate your pointing it out, but there is no confusion in that sentence. People use many infinitives, words that could be picked apart if one is prone to look for such stuff. People use many more common words incorrectly such as “they do this or that”: And unless you are cognizant of the rest of the story, this snippet could be picked apart in the same manner. Every single word could be hijacked with PC garbage as inherently false … I hate this kind of picking apart as it is how the Vampires work. I am much more inclined to try and make mental corrections as I read.

The article was only intended to explain why it is next to impossible for these people to gather the wherewithal to change their perspective enough to want change (pun intended).
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PS. Did you happen to notice the two words preceding … impossible because it might have helped here. But this is how easy it is to just take a word or two and create unnecessary confusion.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am happy for you then if for no other reason that you think you are … that’s good enough for me. But that is about as far as I can go with it. I guess my confusion here is this: Why would you deny me my peace and happiness (that you so cherish for yourselves)?  It just doesn’t compute for me.

Sayings come and go and are little more than attempts to explain Murphyism. It is so simple for some to use such things as more than tidbits of usually good advice. We could go back and forth but we will accomplish little as we are just of different worlds.

I used to be Catholic but have gone to the next evolutionary level. I am an Island … and there is no reason at all for me to do everything for myself … can you? You are trying to make me a competitor to your God when in truth I am just human and am satisfied being my own free self (societal constraints considered). How could I possibly replace something I no longer believe in with myself ... you missed the whole point.

Thank you for your civility, I do not get much from your peers though.

The irreligious man is the weakling, shirking the duty of rendering to God what is due God; shirking the humility of admitting that he is not perfect, cannot do or know all things. In short, shirking the greatest truth of life
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Considering MY feelings and beliefs (or lack of beliefs), do you think this quote has some kind of meaning for me.

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

Time to ask, what is truth to you?
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This is a perfect example of your inability to see things you do not seem to want to see. I have made it as abundantly clear as I can, what I believe and why I believe it … but you refuse accept it or even acknowledge it. Why?

Lulu, as an afterthought, did it ever occur to you to actually comment on the article itself? That is usually the case in my circle but maybe this is another religious thing. If you actually looked at the article as an article with a title, a theme, a story (of sorts), something with merit or not, then you might actually be able to comment on the subject matter, for a change of pace.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Truth, by definition, is the true or actual state of a matter, conformity with fact or reality, or an indisputable fact. It has nothing to do with opinion or belief, superstitious or otherwise. I find objective reality to be quite sufficient.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

MasonMon Feb 11, 2011Truth, by definition, is the true or actual state of a matter, conformity with fact or reality, or an indisputable fact. It has nothing to do with opinion or belief, superstitious or otherwise. I find objective reality to be quite sufficient.
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Wow, that was heavy. But I have a news flash. I use a normal dictionary and my dictionary gives me much leeway here. If I am inclined to have feel no qualms at all using any of the following as I need to in its place; Accuracy, Genuineness, Precision, Exactness, Legitimacy, Truthfulness, Veracity, Dedication, Integrity, Fidelity, Devotion or Sincerity to name a few … what was your definition again? All this nonsense aside, was there a point here?

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Lulu, as an afterthought, did it ever occur to you to actually comment on the article itself? That is usually the case in my circle but maybe this is another religious thing. If you actually looked at the article as an article with a title, a theme, a story (of sorts), something with merit or not, then you might actually be able to comment on the subject matter, for a change of pace.
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Lula's #4 Comment........

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What is the truth?


Time to ask, what is truth to you?


Religion is completely faith based whereas I am a realist and have no faith in anything besides myself … the only person I have or want control over.


I, as a religious person (Catholic), know that I cannot face life unaided and that is not at all a detriment. We don't ridicule a child at school who cannot face the problem of mathematics without the help of a master.  Catholicism doesn't sap self reliance and initiative. These I use to the full  and ask additional help from Almighty God.

There is a saying that no man is an island and no man can do everything for himself.  Man is very conscious of his limitation and if he wishes to behave as though he were God, that is, quite self sufficient and capable of all things, he denies the truth of his limitation.  

The irreligious man is the weakling, shirking the duty of rendering to God what is due God; shirking the humility of admitting that he is not perfect, cannot do or know all things. In short, shirking the greatest truth of life.  

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Gee whiz....Please read my #4 comment again (pasted here so you don't even have to bother to scroll up!) Commenting on your article is exactly what I did. I've only just begun by starting at the beginning and picking up on your title.

And yes, by your own doing ....in writing this part 2 article and your comments .....you reveal this is another religious thing and that being so, I would submit that by continuing to trump your atheism you are as zealous in your atheist ideas as I am of Catholicism.

Besides I took you at your word when you wrote: "I am much more interested why they believe what they do"? So why are you criticizing me for explaining why I believe as I do and complaining I am not commenting on the subject matter?

Now back to it.

I am happy for you then if for no other reason that you think you are … that’s good enough for me. But that is about as far as I can go with it. I guess my confusion here is this: Why would you deny me my peace and happiness (that you so cherish for yourselves)? It just doesn’t compute for me.
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 I'm sorry but how am I denying you your peace and happiness? I've said what I said which I believe is the truth. Could it be that speaking the truth does that?   

 

We could go back and forth but we will accomplish little as we are just of different worlds.
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Well, from what we've admitted of ourselves this apparently is true. But that still leaves discussing these 2 articles entitled "what is the truth" and your claim regarding religious parenting like it was tantamount to some sort of abuse.  

In part one you wrote:

If your parents are religious (Islam included), then they start brainwashing indoctrinating their children in THEIR dictated views, and for children resistance is futile. 

Understanding that Brainwashing (like profiling) is mandatory in all societies, I accept this as a fact of social life. It might help here if I told you that I am an atheist albeit not a typical one. Personally, I really do not care what people think, I am much more interested why they believe what they do. I do not care if one wishes to prostrate themselves before some pagan figure, more power to them. The adults are at fault here … NOT the children.

How does it help the children after their formative years if the adults indoctrinate them with unknowns and lies … presented as undeniable truth (even if through ignorance)?

And here following up on this you write:

What do you think the above idiots teach their children? Etc., ETC., Etc.

Here we are again ... Do we teach the parents or the children and who teaches what to whom?
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I wonder in the atheist mindset who is the "we", and is the next step criminalizing parents who teach religion to their children?

 

 

 

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

Thank you for your civility,
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And thank you for yours. 

lula posts:

There is a saying that no man is an island and no man can do everything for himself. Man is very conscious of his limitation and if he wishes to behave as though he were God, that is, quite self sufficient and capable of all things, he denies the truth of his limitation.
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I used to be Catholic but have gone to the next evolutionary level. I am an Island … and there is no reason at all for me to do everything for myself … can you? You are trying to make me a competitor to your God when in truth I am just human and am satisfied being my own free self (societal constraints considered). How could I possibly replace something I no longer believe in with myself ... you missed the whole point.
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Maybe I missed the whole point but it seems to me when you write "I am an Island" proves it. :|   

Lula posts:

Time to ask, what is truth to you?
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This is a perfect example of your inability to see things you do not seem to want to see. I have made it as abundantly clear as I can, what I believe and why I believe it … but you refuse accept it or even acknowledge it. Why?
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From your own words, you believe it's the truth that religious (Catholic) parents indoctrinate their children with unknowns and lies … presented as undeniable truth?

So based on this we disagree as to what Truth is.

To me, truth is objective. It’s something we discover in reality. Truth isn’t under man’s control because man does not create truth. The world doesn’t want to hear truth and we only have to look at the how Obama and Pelosi reacted to the reality of the Nov. 2 shellacking to understand this point. 

Truth is truth even if you don't believe it. Truth is neither yours nor mine. It is independent of each of us.  We hold things because they are true. They are not true because we happen to believe them. Truth is consistent. If you have the truth on a given subject and my ideas conflict with yours, then I do not possess the truth. And if I’m right, then  you haven’t got the truth. Truth can be found only by sincerely seeking it.

One priest writing about the needs of the human community and the Church put it this way. Without Truth, freedom yields to totalitarianism, justice gives way to exploitation, charity recedes into ruthlessness, peace dissolves into rivalry and hostility.

Without the judgment of the enduring values of the Gospel of Jesus Christ: freedom, justice, peace, charity, compassion, and reconciliation won't stand. The human community needs Truth which proclaims without compromise the dignity and worth of every person, lest he be swallowed up in whatever tickles society's ears.

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

I guess I am just going to have cry uncle here, you win I am all wrong and you are infallible … all I have to do is give up my life as I know it, BEG your forgiveness, bow my head to your pagan statues and believe every single word you utter as gospel … humm … NOT, I’ll pass your most un-reasonable terms of enslavement. And all of this so you can play your silly bible games. Get a life!!!

I used to be Catholic but have gone to the next evolutionary level. I am an Island … and there is no reason at all for me to do everything for myself … can you? You are trying to make me a competitor to your God when in truth I am just human and am satisfied being my own free self (societal constraints considered). How could I possibly replace something I no longer believe in with myself ... you missed the whole point
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There is a saying that no man is an island and no man can do everything for himself
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lulu, it was YOUR quote not mine ... READ at least your own quotes before you accuse ME of making them. No base in reality (as with most of your cynicisms). It is all in your spoiled mind and of your own making and of your choice BECAUSE I still do not care, did at one time when I thought we could actually communicate man-to man so to speak … but in all your miserable self-imposed interactions with me, it is ALWAYS your bible-to-inferior (me) and I have no options at all. You Christian Soles just amaze me with your Christianity!

Maybe I missed the whole point but it seems to me when you write "I am an Island" proves it.
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Seems like you never even saw the point (and still seem completely clueless), so it is no wonder you missed it ... reality check here! Stupid is as stupid does.

I quoted your mystic quotes which “YOU KNOW” I do not believe in and asked you if you thought this nonsense had some special meaning to me … apparently you foolishly seemed to think it did because you accused me of making them.

This IS the whole point: you DO NOT CARE what I think or what I believe in (or not) or even what I might try to say and write … how do I know this you say … BECAUSE you were too busy attacking ME for what you did not in any honestly try to read for context (just key words and fragments you can manipulate just like the other good people taught to do) and … because you have never one time civilly asked me for ANYTHING least of all clarification … being just too damn busy telling me what I think and I mean and I feel. I for one, would like to see you (NOW) shove that Bible of yours where it should be anyway … and take all your GOOD INTENTIONS and CONCERN for your fellow man and try force-feeding it to some lackey somewhere else more susceptible to your nonsense than I apparently am.

From your own words, you believe it's the truth that religious (Catholic) parents indoctrinate their children with unknowns and lies … presented as undeniable truth?
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And when all else fails, drop back (punt) and try to bring up some of the previous trash that made no sense back then either. If yor are even capable of going back and look look at MY QUOTE, you should be able to see that YOU are in error here.

Do you remember any of this statements (of course not) because you did not pay any attention at all to any of them in the first place:

“I will say that I understand children need to be protected and nurtured and brainwashed (for lack of a better term), but what is dumped into their heads from birth is all they have to work with.” Something wrong here?

“If YOU are religious, you teach your children early of its merits, sanctity and uncontestable divinity.” Something wrong here?

Talking about people in power “JUST STOP LYING and being dishonest, deceitful, two-faced, insincere, misleading, mendacious … and all will be well” Surely there is damnation here … somewhere?

“I am an atheist and do not care what you think or believe, these are our choices.” Must be a brutal attack on Christianity and all the good people … Gurr?

“If your parents are religious (Islam included), then they start brainwashing indoctrinating their children in THEIR (yours) dictated views, and for children resistance is futile.” Is there a lie here somewhere, or some mind staggering attack against your sanctity (now it is Catholic, because I am an EX idiot I guess)t. something here that a lie or is unfounded

No religious implications, “Truth be told, we have little to no control … as to how we are groomed until …”. You just let me know when I get to my persecutions of your precious mumbo-jumbo.

“I am happy for you then if for no other reason that you think you are … that’s good enough for me. But that is about as far as I can go with it. I guess my confusion here is this: Why would you deny me my peace and happiness (that you so cherish for yourselves)?  It just doesn’t compute for me” You will not even accept a compliment, how small of me.

“Lulu, as an afterthought, did it ever occur to you to actually comment on the article itself? That is usually the case in my circle but maybe this is another religious thing. If you actually looked at the article as an article with a title, a theme, a story (of sorts), something with merit or not, then you might actually be able to comment on the subject matter, for a change of pace.” Dah! 

“I am an Atheist (as I have stated) and as such, I am always fair game for those of all Faiths, strange that.”  Guess I was wrong on this one … seems I am only fair game for Christians in general and you dingbats specifically.

“I guess this is one of the imponderables in life. I am very happy and secure in my poverty and I am at peace with Nature, I suppose your equivalent would be God.”  Unfair malicious attack … nothing is equivalent with (your) God … which IS the point here. But then again, I forgot, you kindred souls DO NOT CARE!

“Is this ridiculousness really necessary: you fault me for my self-admitted lacking in your faith … and then you pepper me with meaningless scriptures? I fail to see any point to this … please enlighten me? “ Maybe this was just too complicated a concept for you smart people to comprehend.

“I know this was an effort in futility but I needed to get it off my chest” For MY benefit not YOURS.

“I do not care what you think, like or do and it would never occur to me to try and change any of that … Is it just too much to ask for the same from you.” Are you folks really this stupid or what?

When you reach a certain point under brainwashing mental conditioning and when you have given yourselves completely to whatever THE cause is, you lose all perspective because you think you have all the answers to all the questions all from a mystic BOOK forgiving Yourselves for indiscretions, slips, falls and whatnot all for the asking, a quality you seem to value so much that you sequester it all to yourselves... because you sure as hell do not practice it.

Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

lula posts:

From your own words, you believe it's the truth that religious (Catholic) parents indoctrinate their children with unknowns and lies … presented as undeniable truth?
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BTWO posts:

Do you remember any of this statements (of course not) because you did not pay any attention at all to any of them in the first place:

“I will say that I understand children need to be protected and nurtured and brainwashed (for lack of a better term), but what is dumped into their heads from birth is all they have to work with.” Something wrong here?

“If YOU are religious, you teach your children early of its merits, sanctity and uncontestable divinity.” Something wrong here?
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I paid attention to them and you know what.....they contradict the screed you wrote against religion and religious parents in part one.

If your parents are religious (Islam included), then they start brainwashing indoctrinating their children in THEIR dictated views, and for children resistance is futile.
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Understanding that Brainwashing (like profiling) is mandatory in all societies, .....I do not care if one wishes to prostrate themselves before some pagan figure, more power to them. The adults are at fault here … NOT the children.
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How does it help the children after their formative years if the adults indoctrinate them with unknowns and lies … presented as undeniable truth (even if through ignorance)?
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What do you think the above idiots teach their children? Etc., ETC., Etc.
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And when all else fails, drop back (punt) and try to bring up some of the previous trash that made no sense back then either. If yor are even capable of going back and look look at MY QUOTE, you should be able to see that YOU are in error here.
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 I told you that Atheists slam religion every chance they get and from your own words you are no exception. These statements put together prove it. You accuse (all) religious parents of indoctrinating their children with unknowns and lies presented as undeniable truth. Am I wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm sorry but how am I denying you your peace and happiness? I've said what I said which I believe is the truth. Could it be that speaking the truth does that?

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I guess I am just going to have cry uncle here, you win I am all wrong and you are infallible … all I have to do is give up my life as I know it, BEG your forgiveness, bow my head to your pagan statues and believe every single word you utter as gospel … humm … NOT,
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Infallible?....give up your life?......beg my forgiveness....etc,etc,. My oh my,  this is so Hollywood.

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Get a life!!!
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Stupid is as stupid does.
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Uh, uh, I thought you were big into civility?

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“I am happy for you then if for no other reason that you think you are … that’s good enough for me. But that is about as far as I can go with it. I guess my confusion here is this: Why would you deny me my peace and happiness (that you so cherish for yourselves)? It just doesn’t compute for me” You will not even accept a compliment, how small of me.
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It might have been a compliment and taken as such had you quit after the words...that's good enough for me. But no, you had to add the rest....that somehow I deny you peace and happiness. I would submit to you that it is Atheism that denies you peace and happiness, but that's just ol' religious me!

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“Is this ridiculousness really necessary: you fault me for my self-admitted lacking in your faith … and then you pepper me with meaningless scriptures? I fail to see any point to this … please enlighten me? “ Maybe this was just too complicated a concept for you smart people to comprehend.
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When have I ever peppered you with Scripture?

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Anyway, as far as the article's title...What is the Truth? I've answered in #11. I'll leave it at that. 

Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

Since it is obvious that you are going to keep playing this game (is this crap fun for you?), this is going to be my standard response to your nonsense until you get tired and leave me alone. If you read it a few hundred times, you might, just might comprehend something in it. Now I have something I can post as necessary instead of trying to repeat everything over and over and over.

I do not know how you keep up with the times things are said and how easy it is for you to seek out less current posts, just an observation. I thought we were making progress, sorry … but I am glad things are mostly civil. Maybe if you told me what you expect of me knowing what you do?  … because you sure got me by the shorthairs … I do not understand why YOU do not understand ME? You obviously do not respect me, nor does it appear you agree with anything I put to paper; everything is somehow perceived as some attack against you or your beliefs. Why do you keep doing this?

I am NEVER EVER talking about the perfectness of an ideology that can do or say no wrong (by decree). What in the world can I rebut with? You have predetermined the right and wrong of it … and that is it. So I stay outside this environment at all costs. This is where you are comfortable and completely protected … and I am not. I do not have any defense at all in there BECAUSE you are comparing ME with GOD or at least his words … and find me failing. Is ok

The things I discuss cannot be found in your bible (never found anyone living in there) where it is all fuzzy and perfect. Most people close down their shops, walk outside the door and enter a world where the TRUTH takes on new meanings implications and most do not care what YOU personally (or morally) think. Be as righteous as you need to be and never ever be wrong … but all your beliefs are meaningless to the two thugs waiting by your car. Maybe this will make sense: You are concerned with the soul and I am concerned with the person … works for me … wish it would work for you too?

I am ALWAYS discussing MAN’s laws … and you are ALWAYS talking GOD’s. Come on now; ME = ATHEIST = NO GOD … but you just keep trying to force me to defend myself against something I do not believe in … doesn’t that sound pretty stupid to you, TOO? If all you can do is filter out the humanity and insert your ideology … and cannot put anything in some real time today (like right now) perspective there is nothing I can do about it … but we will NOT be chatting much because this is just too much to ask for ... I suspect.

I do NOT study religious doctrine nor am I a Theology quick study. I do not read or study the bible (anymore). I do not believe in god … what am I missing?

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

I do not have any defense at all in there BECAUSE you are comparing ME with GOD or at least his words … and find me failing. Is ok
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Nope, not comparing you or anyone else, least of all me, with God...we all come up infinitely short. 

As far as what is the truth?  What I've been doing is comparing Atheism, practical and theoretical, with Christianity, (Catholicism not Protestantism) and truth is, Atheism, across the board, comes up woefully short.  

 

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

[quote]Nope, not comparing you or anyone else, least of all me, with God...we all come up infinitely short. As far as what is the truth? What I've been doing is comparing Atheism, practical and theoretical, with Christianity, (Catholicism not Protestantism) and truth is, Atheism, across the board, comes up woefully short.[/quote

So what Lulu, I do not have any problems being "wofully short" YOU DO! This all sound nice but untrue, but that doesn’t really matter, because in another post of two, you will be right back with your anger and frustrations and you WILL compare my every word to god’s word, and you will still find them lacking and out comes your hate and the most inexplicable behavior I have ever experienced from a person(s) claiming to be a Christian.

Maybe the word “HONESTY” should be used because you have a warped view of the truth and reality. And if you are going to be honest for a change, you might explain where the hell I go to learn about atheism with such fervor and hatred as you possess (not really interested) … because my definition and all my dictates on the subject come right out of a NORMAL dictionary … and it did not tell me to do anything???

Maybe, if you can set your bigotry aside for a moment or two, listen to what I have been trying to tell you for over 2 weeks now and cease whatever stupid research you are memorizing. Because whatever it is (no wonder where you are getting your strange atheist dogma though), because they do not apply to me if for no other reason I did not have a clue what that is supposed to be.

A REAL Christian is compassionate (not you guys), caring (not you guys), does NOT make Judgments (like you guys) after all that IS GODS JOB, right? They would be spreading the word of god and not browbeating everyone they FEAR with theological dogma (making human comparisons to your god … isn’t that blaspheme)?

I personally do not know anyone besides myself who is an outward atheist, go figure. For your own internal peace and sanity (lie all you want, I read a lot of your posts remember), you need to STOP stereotyping EVERYONE and pretending these groups (of your own making) are ALL plotting the destruction of all you hole in value.

YOU my friends are NOT TRUE Christians … simply because you do not ACT like Christians.