Yessir, Mr. Jafo, sir.
I'll be more careful next time.

I still have Russ's worm virus [I know it isn't really his] in quarantine.....perhaps I should attach it to an email to this person....

Oooh, I can be soooo evil at times....hit me...I'm being a bad boy....

Better not.....I'm supposed to be a responsible member of society....drat...never have any fun....

Responsible Member of Society!
Ah!
*Glad he's still yound enough not to be considered one of those*

Young...
I meant Young.
=D

Well, after an email from this little creep...I think I may very well send her the virus....

She told me to fuck off and get a life....
Maybe I just should do what she says...

My latest response...posted on the skin....

Theft and abuse
posted on July 20, 2001 @ 23:17 PM

Congratulations, Ma'am....
You shall be hence-forth forever known as a despicable child who has no better talent than to be able to recognise it in others.
I am disgusted with your attitude, and with the apparent tardiness of action from Nullsoft. However their hypocrisy of position is all the site hits they get when something controversial turns up.

However...if all the 'real' WinAMP skinners were to leave this site...all that would be left would be Photoskin rubbish and rips like this one.
Paul Martin JAFO

It seems this person is reading this board.
She doesn't seem to like me any more.....my mention of viruses has got her worried.
Silly little dweeb...I wouldn't do such a thing.
I'd much rather steal another's artwork...

Just me...trying to restore some order in the kaos...

Latest email...

I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.

Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.

If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.

There is no need for this to be a slanging match.

I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.

Cheers,
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: angelaalan@lineone.net [mailto:angelaalan@lineone.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"


You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.

Greets

----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: angelaalan@lineone.net [mailto:angelaalan@lineone.net]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets

Just me...trying to restore some order in the kaos...

Latest email...

I'm unlikely to give details, but suffice it to say that it would really be in your interest, if you wish a career in skinning for people, to change your attitude and treat your fellow human beings with a little respect.
One of the problems with the internet is it tries to be a great leveller....even age doesn't form a barrier...however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.

Please note just a few things.
I would never propagate a virus....I know their effects only too well.
I first started skinning in 1997 and know or have known virtually all of the 'big names' in the community.
I was a skinner before skinz.org was started.
I was one of the first to experiment with winamp transparency.
I helped treetog with that very skin you like so much.
I did the pink bits that you couldn't hide in your screenshot.
We are a friendly and close-knit group of enthusiasts who agree with you that it is a fantastic skin.
But,
It is not yours, and was not yours to post. Even if you left it exactly as it was and posted it as treetog's work, you are still not allowed to do so without his permission. If you had asked him, he may have just uploaded it there for you.
Renato is a really nice person, who doesn't need to be insulted in this way.

If you wish to make amends, may I suggest that you remove the skin, and perhaps contact treetog himself to talk about it.

There is no need for this to be a slanging match.

I think I have been reasonably polite, if not, I apologise...I'm usually above that.

Cheers,
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: angelaalan@lineone.net [mailto:angelaalan@lineone.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Paul Martin
Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"


You may be admin on "all" of them but how the fuck do you think you'll police these sites.Do all users use their real names,don't be so fuckin' stupid.BTW my apologies,"Australian" Faggot.

Greets

----------
>From: "Paul Martin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:28:34 +1000
>
>Quite easily, actually...
>Being essentially Admin level on all of them.
>
>Funny, that.
>
>I say, why not upload your wonderful 'work' to WinCustomize.com...that will
>be good for a giggle.
>
>And I'm neither American, nor a faggot.
>
>And you really have ruined any future career you may have aspired to in
>Skinning.
>You have chosen the wrong people to annoy and insult.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: angelaalan@lineone.net [mailto:angelaalan@lineone.net]
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 1:17 PM
>To: Paul Martin
>Subject: Re: RE: 'SPUTKIN"
>
>
>
>How the fuck do you think that YOU could stop me from any skinning site, you
>creep,how the fuck would you enforce it,Fucking American(probably)faggot.
>
> Greets

Oh!
You read from the bottom..

That's Opera for you..so eager to help it does things twice...

'however, the more mature members of society are forced to endure the teenage rantings and vitriol of those, 30 years their junior.'
Is this not a stereotypical to us?
Teenage rantings, automatically assuming that the person is a teenager because of attitude,or is this persons age already known?

As replied to my e-mail.....

I don't condone cursing, but FUCK THIS LITTLE SCUMBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First off for ripping Treetog, secondly for having such and assholistic attitude about it.... THIS MEANS WAR!!!!

Buzz

_____SNIP_____


First things first, FUCKOFF,second thing I'll do what the fuck I want,and lastly, get a fucking life!!

----------
>From: "Buzzo, Andrew"
>To: "'angelaalan@lineone.net'"
>Subject: Re: Remove Renato's skin from WinAmp.com
>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:47:29 -0400
>
>
>You really have some nerve ripping someone's skin the way you did. Renato is
>a good friend of mine. He's a great skinner who would bend over backwards to
>help anyone out that asked for it. Ripping is NOT accepted in the skinning
>community. I'd suggest that you save yourself a bit of embarrassment by
>taking the skin down and writing Renato (treetog) an apology.
>
>Buzz_Hog
>
>

Just by attitude and language...I'm willing to bet within the limits of 12 to 20...more likely 12 to 16...

This is not an indictment on the younger people, but an observation of the specifics here...

Fair enough,Jafo.
But I feel your age range on this person is a litle off, from what I have seen from this person, I feel they're more in the 3 - 4 year old range.

Too true...
Still, I have attempted to calm the waters a bit...but I have a feeling that her email client is reaching melt-down with all the unhappy skinners sending comments....

And albeit she is writing the same think to each f them:
(profanity)!!Get a life!(Makes fun of country)Mind your own business!(more profanity)...and this is followed by, more profanity.

Brad, step in here and protect your resources here.... Your words to the propper "authoroties" will help tons in protecting out own....

http://scripts.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13

Check the link to see what my traceroute provided for location to the RIPPER.....

just reported it to some nullsoft folk... hopefully itll be gone soon

Go Buzz! Go!

I'm gonna have to start calling you Geraldo

Today I recieved another e-mail from Steve Gedikian (from Nullsoft).
He told me that winamp.com will just be able to remove the ripped skin on next thursday, because he says that the site just can be updated once a week.

I share my work, trying to make people happy, not to be offended.

I don't want to play the victim, making this case even bigger, giving the ripper's skin it's 15 minutes of fame (the skin is making now, around 600 dll per hour). So I'de like to abstain to make more coments here, untill the issue be closed.

Once again...thank all, my friends, for your wonderful suport.

One lesson I'm taking from this. From now on, as an WC admin, I'll be even more rigorous on rip cases.

Buzz: Thank you for the URL request, but I don't have a link, for the original Sputnik skin on winamp.com yet, since that I uploaded it, but the skin was not posted yet.

Peace to you all!

Karma will do it's work, Renato

I sent the following to our pal:

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Come on man, you can't really be serious can you? If Renato (Treetog) wanted his skin posted here, I am sure he would have done so.

By you posting it here, you've tarnished your own name. Perhaps you didn't realize how many friends he has in the Skinning community and the backlash that it would create. Perhaps you would consider yanking the damn skin now before this goes any further.

Sincerely, BigBadWolf

PS: Before you even ask or accuse... nope, I am NOT an "American Fag" as you so eloquently put it. I am, for all intense purposes, a female loving man but thanks for your concern.
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Not that it will make a difference but what the hell...

That ripper proves that forced sterilization really might be a solution for some problems. >