Just how am I supposed to get better?

I've noticed an incredible amount of rudeness when it comes to new players.   Every time I try to connect to a game, after a few moments in the lobby the host will make some comment like "noob, lol" or "no noobs, sorry" and then kick me. 

How is a new player supposed to improve without anyone to play against?  Is the community and fanbase of this game really that dense and mean-spirited?  

I understand concepts like micromanaging, build order (or, in this case, skill order) and such.   But I've got to have some field experience in order to figure out what works and what doesn't, what is effective and what is not.   However, getting the field experience seems impossible, as I keep getting kicked from every server I try to join.

Any thoughts on this, or should I just go back to playing Dawn of War II and COH instead?

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Reply #1 Top

Honestly I think your best bet is hosting your own games for new players or finding similar ones. It seems like there's usually quite a few up.

Reply #2 Top

I can understand your frustration and I would like to encourage you not to give up on this game. I play Demigod on a casual basis so I know how it is when you don't have that many games on your record and you are beeing pushed in the "noob drawer." The worst thing is that I've seen players with a lot of games on their record who played worse then me.

The solution to your problem is kinda simple. Make/host your own game. Give it a fitting name and you should have some games on your record in no time. You will also get the feel of the game in the process. You might wanna also give it a try with replay's to improve your gameplay.

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Thes guys are right... should be able to host your own beginner games which you will enjoy and learn more from than getting stomped by people who know how to play.

Also, I hope you can understand that the player base is a lot better quality people than you think at this point.  What you have to understand is that it takes a long time to get a game going.  People come and go in lobbies for what seems like forever... some are looking for a stacked game that can make their record look good, others have too high of a ping to another player and leave, other people don't believe any game should ever be played without a team using exclusively the three most high powered demigods and if you're playing someone other than these three, they will leave or threaten to leave if you don't change.

So you finally get a game going and assuming you don't have someone drop, or lag, or whatever... you might have the greatest time ever playing a video game. 

But theres a catch.  I'm not a competitive guy, and I'll join the weaker looking team just to make it easier to get the game going if I have too, but even I'm taken over by an uncontrolable rage when I end up with someone who doesn't know how to play at all on my team.  Even though I'm a decent player, I'll get yelled at if I've got a pro on my team if I fail to do something perfectly so I know how it feels, but I can't help myself... don't know what it is about this game that brings out the worst in us sometimes.

Its not all our fault though.  I'm happy to have a "noob" on my team if he's willing to listen to my helpful tips (orders and instructions actually) and has played a decent amount of time offline to learn the basics.  Neither of these usually end up being true and after wasting our time trying to help bring someone into the community this person will rage quit without saying anything and we'll be left feeling like assholes.

So we try and explain politely to you beginners in the lobby that you need to find a noob game or start your own and guess what the response usually is?  "F#&$ You!"  So yeah... most hosts will usually just boot you with little or no explanation.

Anyway, read some strategy guide, join noob games, and save replays so you can learn how to play and hopefully you'll be one of us some day, screaming at people that they're god damned noobs

Reply #4 Top

That's funny, because I "went back to DoWII" also.  Many people got DG for Christmas, so hosting your own game under a name like "Noobs only" or "Practice" is a good start.  But be aware, there are plenty of people that are very good at the game, that will join just to stomp you for another ranking point (and there are no unranked games) or to get their jollys.  So learn to check their stats out first.  Hopefully, you'll get a good player, AND, a nice player that will team with you.  There are some helpful people out there.

And like Grc333 said, replays are a great teaching tool.  Try this link too:

http://forums.demigodthegame.com/349958

Reply #5 Top

Also don't go back to CoH until they add dark as a controller secondary. I DEMAND IT.

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I've noticed an incredible amount of rudeness when it comes to new players.   Every time I try to connect to a game, after a few moments in the lobby the host will make some comment like "noob, lol" or "no noobs, sorry" and then kick me. 

How is a new player supposed to improve without anyone to play against?  Is the community and fanbase of this game really that dense and mean-spirited?  

I understand concepts like micromanaging, build order (or, in this case, skill order) and such.   But I've got to have some field experience in order to figure out what works and what doesn't, what is effective and what is not.   However, getting the field experience seems impossible, as I keep getting kicked from every server I try to join.

Any thoughts on this, or should I just go back to playing Dawn of War II and COH instead?
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The real reason people wont play with you is because GPG and/or stardock was stupid about stats and creating alternate nicknames and accounts, your record and one name on your first account follow you everywhere.  And... there's no option for UNRANKED play that is the BIGGEST problem.  Most people would not have a problem playing pub games with any random bunch of newbs to teach them if it didn't mark against their record.

Blame the dumb design decisions on developers.  Don't take kicking personally, I wish there was a way to edit the kick message to something more polite.

Reply #7 Top

They do it because you might cost them the game... it is not fun to have a potential feeder on your team.

Play pantheon and learn not to die.

Once you get 50 or so games... you can make the excuse that you win % is low because you only play good players and that you also play assasin side this Pantheon. ;) They'll undrstand.

Reply #8 Top

HAHAHA NIZ. You don't understand a lot about game design marketing and business right? Anyway.

 

 

1. Host your own games

2. Get some friends playing with you. If you don't have any just add me(my nick is the same) and when I have time I'll be happy to help you.

 

You must understand that "we pro gamers" don't do this because we hate noobs or anything. We do this because despite our help most noobs(90% atleast) are just fucking DEAF/STUPID/BLIND or can't type whatsoever and also have a tendency to ragequit fast.

 

 

Reply #9 Top

I strongly support unranked play, and feel this would be a huge help to the newcomers. 

I can't imagine this would be a difficult option to incorporate, considering you can already intentionally mess with the game to prevent the game from being recorded.

Reply #10 Top

I strongly support unranked play, and feel this would be a huge help to the newcomers.
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If you want unranked play, you can join a 1v1 game hosted by a few of the high up people in the ladder.  The trick is, you have to beat them though... then it will be unranked.

Reply #11 Top

Easiest way is to just host your own "noobs only" game and then check stats. I try not to be a jerk about stats, but there is simply no way I'm playing with someone who is 15% at 22 games against a solid team with 50-70% win rates (as an example). One bad person can very easily lose a game, even if their team mates are significantly better than the opposition.

Reading the guides on the forum can be helpful. Also, make sure you know the basics (i.e. hp stack/use BotF/lane control/not dieing as top priority/monks are awesome).

Reply #12 Top

I don't even understand how people get such bad stats or why they manage play so bad. A friend that just got the game got the basics of the game in 10 games, and most likely has a higher win rate than I do.

 

Reply #13 Top

Here's how I (and I concider myself an average player) got such bad stats:  I don't really care about "winning", so I just usually picked up pug games, and lose.  If we did start to win, there was usually a rage quit or host DC exploit.  Then there were the times (before I wised up) that I would join "noobs only" type games so I could practice/learn, only to be stomped to death by stacked teams of experienced players.

Unranked is so, SO needed for this game.  I just can't beleive they can't or won't included it, especially since the stats are so very inaccurate anyways.

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I did the same but I still have atleast around 50 % winrate. I'm talking about people with 9 % winrate. NINE.

Also I wasent only talking about bad stats, im talking also about bad players. Now I found out that a lot of non-native speakers have problems with item choices since they don't understand how for instance mana % regen and mana per second work together and why its usually a better idea to buy vlemisch before plenor. But still, the amount of (really really) extremely bad play I see is simply mindnumbling.

 

Reply #15 Top

What you're telling me is making me want to play less, not more.  Back to Dawn of War II and Company of Heroes, then. I'm only sorry that I wasted 40 bucks buying this in the first place.

Relic is a tier above Gas-Powered and Stardock in terms of both game quality and community, anyway.

Reply #16 Top

@takashi_k

Maybe you're just a whiner?  Kicking is nothing personal, man up and grow a pair.  People just want to even out the teams most of the time.

Reply #17 Top

Quoting pacov, reply 10

I strongly support unranked play, and feel this would be a huge help to the newcomers.
If you want unranked play, you can join a 1v1 game hosted by a few of the high up people in the ladder.  The trick is, you have to beat them though... then it will be unranked.
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This isn't a request for me personally considering I've been around before day 1, but rather my support for unranked games is based upon helping newcomers learn the social/teamwork skills requried by DG without destroying someone's established rating.  Personally, I could care less about 1v1, as that is more about counterclasses and a lot less about skill (which is really needed when working as a team, whether PM or PUG).

 

Also, I'm sure you could get quite a few unranked games (not just 1v1) so long as you manage to find the common terribads who host them.  It's become an epidemic sadly. :(

Reply #18 Top

Seriously though, just host some new players only games.  That should help you bypass alot of the people giving you grief.  Get some more experience playing and you won't have to put up with that sort of crap for long.

Reply #19 Top

If the game title says "Be Good," "No Noobs" or "skilled players only," then don't bother joining. You're wasting your time, as well as ours. And being good, doesn't mean owning the AI on single player. Huge difference. Nothing more annoying than a noob who doesn't realize they are a noob and then try and convince you otherwise because 99% of the time, they suck.

When I was a noob, I created my own noob games or simply joined other noob games until better players started to want me on their team. I learned from my mistakes and had others help me with tips. Came to the boards for builds and more tips. That's how you get better. I've even taken a few noobs under my wing, had us play agaisnt AI and fed them tips as they played. I'm far from an expert, but its way better than just annoying people by constantly joining skilled games, getting booted and ruining connections.

Reply #20 Top

Quoting takashi_k, reply 15
What you're telling me is making me want to play less, not more.  Back to Dawn of War II and Company of Heroes, then. I'm only sorry that I wasted 40 bucks buying this in the first place.

Relic is a tier above Gas-Powered and Stardock in terms of both game quality and community, anyway.
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Yeah, because it is so difficult to host a game that says "new players in the title."  Seriously, you should not expect to play in a game with 50%+ players if you are sitting at 10%+.  It just is not fun for the players on your team.  As people have told you here, just host your own game.  My experience is that games catering to new players fill up FAST. 

Similarly, be up front with your teammates and ask for advice.  I am much more likely to treat a really bad player better if they want to improve.  I had just such a game in Pantheon last night.  It is so much more common that a bad player just wants to play their own style and does not care what the optimal gear/talents are.

Reply #21 Top

Like many have said in this forum, host your own games.

I don't know why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp. Host your game and title it accordingly. If your a noob put "NOOBLETS ONLY KTHX" as your title, don't come into a room that is "good players please" "Pros" "Premades Welcome" or other titles that indicate a knowledge of the game that you don't yet have, you will get kicked everytime.

Reply #23 Top

I don't care how you get better, just so long as its not when you are on my team.

Reply #24 Top

My opinion about these stats and rankedgames is that gpg should make unranked games just like Supremecommander/Forged Alliance

There are a lot of Games running and you can join them without waiting half an hour to run a game only because players are looking for equal teams.

Joining, leaving, kicking sidesawping and checking these fucking stats are ruining this game.  A lot of times i am starting demigod looking for a Game,

without succes after half an hour or one hour i am leaving without any game played this really sucks. Demigod is a  great game and they really should turn off the stats. Just like i said Supremecommander works also like that and there are really good matches going on without any stats.

 

Reply #25 Top

Quoting lifekatana, reply 14
I did the same but I still have atleast around 50 % winrate. I'm talking about people with 9 % winrate. NINE.

Also I wasent only talking about bad stats, im talking also about bad players. Now I found out that a lot of non-native speakers have problems with item choices since they don't understand how for instance mana % regen and mana per second work together and why its usually a better idea to buy vlemisch before plenor. But still, the amount of (really really) extremely bad play I see is simply mindnumbling.

 
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plenor is better to get before vlehmish because you get more mana in your pool then with vlehmish.


also before you start ranting about it ill tell you this the battle between which is better will never end because the pros and cons for both equal out in both directions there is no right or wrong it depends on your preferance