Beta three

I read your post 3 times and still have no idea what problem your having.

Well .I guess you do not beta test . So  now loading an un needed app ???? Then having to customize settings .Which did not work!!! This a problem as noted by others .  So microsoft ,Avira are all HTML . No forget it if you want the address and logins . I know longer test norton . WHY . To big a footprint .To much demand on resources . PLUS!PLUS!  the hidden crap in the registry .I keep image backups . Plus different O.S. on different SCSI drives .

  The best adage for this is . "keep it simple"

Eric A. Whalley

  Windows seven (RTM) Server 2009 test site Office  ten early adapter

someone fetch a translator

ummm. about ten past 3.

"Nothing on earth is forcing you to install the beta versions. It can get rough on the bleeding edge. "

- Kris Kwilas

It all geek to me...

LOL Jim!

Eric A. Whalley = ? After doing a complete check of everyone doing any kind of beta testing for Microsoft for one; needless to say others at that. I find you are not a registered beta tester for anyone. For a matter of fact it would seem you are not yet old enough to do so.

If you are unhappy with pre-release softwares of Stardock products? Then do not use it - you are more than welcome to install or purchase any fully released product and have perfectly good results or if not? You need to contact support@stardock.com about it. As stated already here before - no one is asking you to install a pre-release version of any software. Also we have no registered beta testing for any software here. Least not at this time...

So give us all a break and do the right thing.

Well  you have completely missed the point!!! Re read the post ! Even after changingg the settings  Beta 3 did not show up . That is the point!!!!

  So now to properly test you have dedicated  forums  . Bug reporting . Updated   builds . This leads to a solid release . So if you  have all this knowledge of who tests . Say hi to me in Cafe . Thats if you even know where that is .  I could say something derogatory but that would lower myself to your level.

  Been testing since windows 95B

  First computer course fortran four

   Eric A. Whalley

Microsoft Associate EXPert

 Dream scene disscussion

Hopefully it shouldn't be all that hard Neil since you guys actually came up
with DreamScene to begin with

"NeilAccount2" <ConnectUser> wrote in message
news:connect.4adb35e9-a0ae-46f7-8be4-a4658a3a220e@CPMSFTWEBC101...
> We (Stardock) should have a Windows 7 version of Deskscapes out in
> beta very soon, we just need to finish up the UI so people can
> actually pick their dreams!
>
> If you do not have a license for Windows Vista Ultimate please
> remember that you are in effect pirating Microsoft software if you
> use hacked DreamScene dlls in Windows 7.
>
> Eric A. Whalley wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:15:00 -0400, "Joe
>> wrote:
>>
>>>http://on10.net/blogs/sarahintampa/Hack-Enable-DreamScene-in-Windows-7/
>> HMM
>>   I would recomend patience . Stardock is working on a windows seven
>> application . common sense should prevail here . they either  re write
>> for windows seven or the feature dies .As noted  the pirates added a
>> nice little Trojan for your enjoyment Eric A. Whalley
>

This is  the  type of  things  we discuss in betas

Eric,
Thanks, and I am glad you enjoyed it. I am not educating you here, just
talking on into a bright sun to tan my brain and ward off the grimy reaper.

It is the "what" vs. the "why". Once one understands the fundamentals then
you have a universal that applies to all chips that address things and
underlies the language of people in the various disciplines that talk about
accessing memory. The differnence between a fundamental and systems
organizations create the variety of responses.

When one speaks of an OS the systems language definitions they hold before
their mind changes everything. How much memory can a 32 bit OS address????
Directly or otherwise? With virtual memory and unlimited time a 4 bit
machine can address as much memory as a 64 bit machine can. Using sky
computers, the internet, and grated permissions again with unlimited time I
can address the entire world. The implicit assumptions in the answer changes
everything.

If you consider a 32 bit OS, then you can directly address 4GB and that is
for the definition that the drivers are part of the OS which they are. If
one means what can a user address with a user mode program, then the amount
will be very much less. So the viewpoints all vary according to people's
definitions and there were no wrong answers given. If one assumes hardware
can swap blocks of offshore memory in and out of an address space, then one
might answer a large number while one who speaks of the wires coming out of
the CPU will say 4GB regardless of what it is or isn't connected to.  A
processor can produce addresses even if memory is not connected. Is it a
memory address .

So when people answer, one looks at the context of that answer (what
discipline the person is in, or where he/she is coming from), and one
understands and agrees within that context even though all answers are
variants.

The fundamental remains a constant across the spectrum so no matter where
you are and what you are doing you will not be lost as long as you learn the
abc's.

I tend to answer the "why", and not the "what", it is the give a man a fish
and feed him for a day vs. a lifetime attitude. The "why" makes one's
knowledge independent of the process, the mother board, and the various
plug-ins. The "why" also allows one to become and inventor by devising other
kinds of "whats".

I had a nephew that used to drive me up a wall with questions that he did
not want to understand, he wanted absolute answers and expected everyone
around him to be an enclosed for his personal use. He was either too lazy to
think, or had not yet experienced the joy of self discovery. He has grown
into an engineer and is employed so I suspect he is thinking on his own now
.

The presentation I gave was low enough that many hungry "young", people will
understand it immediately and hopefully may create excitement within. We old
people rely on young people pretending we know everything so we can remain
fixtures rather than discoverers. I don't write to the people who's
knowledge is established; of what use can I be to them? If a person scared
of computers buried under billions of damn marketing acronyms grasp the
fundamentals then that person is fundamentally changed and may learn that
he/she can learn it all too just like the rest of us pretenders:). That
person will forge the next generation while those of us who memorize
acronyms will stay fat and happy where we are. I don't wish to judge even
though judging brings great joy. All types of people are required to make
the world go around. Without the person that finds joy in getting his/her
hands dirty building and testing the hardware the bright abstract engineer
is bound to failure; they need each other and there are just so many hours
in a lifetime. I always treated the people who emptied my waste basket as
engineers for where would I have been without them? My job was such leisure
by comparison. They made it possible for others to build a better world (and
as WWII taught us, build a more evil world as well. Innovation has no
morals.).

Paul

"Eric A. Whalley" <ewhalley@telus.net> wrote in message
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> Paul
>   Now this is what I love . School is in you are giving the lecture
> on architecture limits . Using math to explain chip proccessing
> limits. Was at a conference ten years ago where they discussed board
> design and how it had reached its limits then .You know the old road
> blocks  bus ,cpu.ram and hard drive .At that time they talked of
> radical change to allow the board to  access   direct paths to
> hardware etc .HMMPH nothing and I repeat nothing  has changed . Same
> board architure after twenty five years !
>  Certainly ram has increased . eight megs wow what a rocket .The new
> solid state drives hot diggity dam .YAHHH wonderful . Same stupid road
> blocks .
> Getting off my pedastal now . My little pet rant .
>   Eric A. Whalley
> " <proussin@> wrote:
>
>>For 32 bit computer chips, the number of address wires going out to select
>>data in memory is 32 wires. People tend to call it 32 bits.
>>
>>Any of those 32 wires can have a voltage on them or zero volts on them. If
>>there is a voltage on a wire people say that wire is on, or the bit is on,
>>or the bit is set etc.
>>
>>The custom is to simply say a set bit has a value of 1, while a reset or a
>>clear bit has a value of 0. Note 1 and 0 are just names. That is just for
>>discussion, the actual voltage doesn't matter as long as you can tell if
>>the
>>bit is set or clear. Note that if a single wire can be on or off then it
>>can
>>sit in two states. One wire, orone bit can be in one of two states, 0 or
>>1.
>>I won't mention the fact that you could have many more states on a wire,
>>because the complicates things and the reliability to have multistate
>>computers is expensive. We will sitck with 0 and 1 also called boolean
>>values.
>>
>>How many distinct states can a group of wires represent. Let us play a
>>game
>>and figure it out.
>>
>>Say you have one wire and build what is called a state table.
>>
>>By definition of the problem, the wire can have two settings, 0 or 1 and
>>the
>>table looks like this.
>>w
>>0
>>1
>> It is a single column. This single wire can represent two values. If you
>>are addressing memory then it can represent two addresses.
>>
>>Let us try two wires and each wire can be independently set on or off.
>>Just
>>for fun let us call the two wires w and x. Like in decimal w is to the
>>left
>>and we say it is more significant.
>>wx
>>00
>>01
>>10
>>11
>>Note that we now have 4 distinct patterns. So 1 wire gives 2, and 2 wire
>>gives 4.
>>Note that 00 is counted as a pattern. You can give those patterns a value
>>like 0,1,2, or 3. You don't have to give the pattern those values, but
>>then
>>you are in your own encrypted world and no one can talk to you.
>>
>>Let us try 3 wires wxy and build a table for that.
>>Note this produces 8 distinct patterns so you can address sets of unique
>>data for memory.
>>wxy
>>000
>>001
>>010
>>011
>>100
>>101
>>110
>>111
>>This can represent 0 through 7.
>>
>>What have we figured out so far???
>>1 wire produces 2 patterns,
>>2 wire produces 4 patterns,
>>3 wire produces 8 patterns,
>>
>>Note that 1 raised to the power of 2 is 1,
>>Note that 2 raised to the power of 2 is 4,
>>Note that 3 raised to the power of 2 is 8.
>>
>>Hmmm, there appears to be a simple formula that we can use.
>>If we have 4 wires we should address 16 memory locations????
>>Try it:
>>wxyz
>>0000
>>0001
>>0010
>>0011
>>0100
>>0101
>>0110
>>0111
>>1000
>>1001
>>1010
>>1011
>>1100
>>1101
>>1110
>>1111
>>
>>Yes we have 16 unique patterns.
>>Every time we add a wire we double the previous capability.
>>
>>8 bits is 2^8 (2 raised to the eight power) or 256.
>>16 bits can address 65536 unique addresses.
>>32 bits can address 4GB or 4294967296 bytes.
>>
>>Since a 32 bit operating system can't add wires then it can't address more
>>than 4GB.
>>
>>There are tricks you can play but they involve extra hardware and there is
>>a
>>setup involved. You can address bytes over the network for example, but
>>now
>>the access is terribly slow. You can add hardware to your computer but
>>again
>>there is setup overhead. There are a few schemes for this.
>>
>>So with 32 bits you can directly address 4GB without any overhead, and you
>>since you can set the address bit pattern as you please you can read
>>memory
>>at random addresses.
>>
>>So direct memory addresses space is (Number of wires)^2.
>>
>>Some memory is reserved to talk to the video card, so the video card can
>>share that memory with the CPU. This lets you read and write directly to
>>and
>>from a picture although modern computers have made this much different and
>>you have to use system services these days.
>>
>> Other pieces of hardware also use shared memory so a 32 bit OS will give
>>your programs 4GB, but quite a it less.
>>
>>Now to the latest chips: 64 bits = 2^64 and that is mighty big!
>>
>>If you started counting on Monday you would finish counting the same day
>>from exhaustion.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"paul reed" <gifted_id2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:%23Myky5CqJHA.1452@Baybnewsweb03.SND.RNO.GBL...
>>> Well,  I guess I could find this out with some diligent research,
>>>
>>> but I'm not in a rush for the answer,  so I'll post it here.
>>>
>>> I say again,  is there still a 4g memory limit on the 32 bit
>>> flavor of Windows 7?
>>>
>>> And,  I guess the next question would be,  if so,  why?
>>>
>>> thankx,
>>>
>>> paul r.
>>>
>>> : ))
>>>
>>>

ewhalley: It is a violation of your Microsoft testing agreement to post things from the connect forums elsewhere.

wow! that was a fun read......

Since you enjoyed it, maybe you could explain it to me...

I think I understand the problem your having.

I believe you are complaining because Stardock does not clearly label the progam as "DeskScapes 3 Beta" and instead they decide to give a designation similar to "DeskScapes 2.91 [b]".

Notice the [b]...it indicates that it is a beta.

Companies do this as a way to keep track of versions. Once the version is out of beta, it will get the 3 designation.

Sorry Neil

 I did  edit and remove names . the contents of which are public  amd I believed to be not under NDA. I was extremely POD!The above is a reason I do not participate in the Microsoft Public groups . I do not want MVP that badly that I should subject myself to the above . My greatest mistake is that I make the wrong assumption (YAH I kow about Assumption)that everyone works at my level .I leave a lot out thinking that  they automatically  would know .My wife says  that I should watch peoples eyes as they glaze over when I start to talk .

 Again sorry if I upset you

 Eric

Hi carguy

  again after changing settings the above did not happen. Showed just the last  deskscapes from 2008 . No 2.91b.This is the problem as noted .If we had a download site  we could grab each new build ,Test .

      So lets seee if maybe this could be the problem . Windows seven (RTM) 64 bit . Adobe does not have a flash 64 bit (flash player ). Says they are working on it . Go figure .32 bit is at the end of the road  because of its inability to recognize more than 4 gigs of ram . I  run 6 gigs of ddr2  on my Scsi server .Run  two nodes  running windows Vista .

    Eric

@ reply #11   I'll say it again.

You should listen to your wife more...;p

Part A:

Both quoted sections from reply #17, parted out to illustrate point.

Point being: How in the name of Zeus's butthole does Part B have ANYTHING at all to do with Part A?

What.... is a Scsi server? Does it serve up Scsi's to something? Now, if you'd said something like.. My Server with SCSI Array I would understand it.

Would one be far off in assuming that english is not your native language?

Phoon, you hit on the very reason I gave up on trying to help.

I give up as well trying to talk here . to understand a bug one has to look at the application as too why there may be an issue . So now if  you were interested you would say well it may be  caused by this setting in inernet explorer  64 bit .

  Ok  used to talking to people that work through problems .

 Gave some  info . IE. abobe falsh player does not work with 64 bit .This is quite possibly why 2.91b  does not show .Remember this is windows seven RTM.So understand  this is not widely used .

  In beta testing this is how A is tied to B

 any way you do not understand the logic of how bugs are reported

 First we give  build # 32-64 bit)

hardware  layout

  Then steps we used

 What we expected to happen

  Snip tool to capture desktop (sometimes several snips)

 A lot of other copy paste from inside device manager

  That is the process that we go through so you have a solid release

  So for  the other  adaptec 29320 r (raid) 3x  68 gig 320 scsi  15k (15thousand R.P.M)

 the coment of 32 bit was just a personal statement.

 I will not bore you further

Broken and incomplete sentences are not typical troubleshooting reporting processes. Getting your complete thoughts in to readable format would help you greatly in communicating with others. Nobody else is in your head (unless your name is Po Smedley) and thus cannot complete your reports.

Adobe flash has no impact on Impulse showing applications.  Plus Impulse is a 32 bit process and so would use the 32 bit version of flash.

The beta of Deskscapes 3 will only show if you have show prereleases enabled in the orb menu and you own either ObjectDesktop or Deskscapes 2.