How is Oak NOT overpowered?

I can beat him. When i play sedna oak really isn't to much trouble for me. He can shield and i can heal ... then is like "oh pewpz im outta pots lol i gotta run".

Also ..

Oak is squishy under level five, and average-at-best under level 10. Shield doesn't last long enough to be anything more than an "omg save me" button, and UB outspeeds and outdamages Oak. Over level 10 he's good all around, but on the other hand doesn't have any massive advantages to press.

sof  shield and pent    hmm sounds like  he doesn't like his wep dmg boosted by spirits     there is a cheap item that would fuck him up 

it is like 750 and minuses wep dmg   with it oak  may hit fast and  do a bit offf dmg but u would bedoing more

lawl

I think Oak is pretty well balanced. A minion based Oak is even more fearsome than the build that you list.

The best way to fight Oak is by getting items to boost your armor and health. I think that the favor item "Symbol of Purity" can remove that debuff effect that Oak puts down, but that does mean that you are giving up other potential favor items that might benefit you more.

Orb of Defiance isn't a bad choice, but abilities like Penitence are up rather quickly. Proper timing would at least provide some safety.

Sadly Penitence doesn't lower your speed enough (even against Rook) to justify the use of Ironwalkers... I suppose it's not terribly relevant, but I figured I'd let people know that they won't be useful here in case someone was thinking about it.

I suppose the best options are very simple: +Armor, +Health, +Movespeed, and slow him down if you can... Of course the alternative is: +Damage and then try your best to slow him down and keep him from escaping. Killing him or making him run away is a viable alternative to having to flee yourself. 

Hmm... Also it would be worth noting how much damage he does and how fast he is when playin against him so that you can better determine when to retreat (and not get killed).

As I see it, Oak is the character that the developers should reference when balancing the game. Oak's abilities don't provide all that much benefit when you start to crunch the numbers, but, when you add in another person, abilities like Penitence can become quite fearsome.

EDIT: Although I've never tried it, I think that Sludge Slinger might be very useful against Oak. Oak does decent damage and he attacks fast, and -30% to attack speed should dampen his damage output for a short time. If you fight a minion based Oak then you should pick up the Parasite egg.

Level 6?  

More like 16. And that's kinda the point, you beat him by not letting all things being equal once the game enters the late phase. Oaks abilities are shit in the early game, and eats ton of mana (except for Soul Power, which is great at first, but sucks once he gets strong enough). But they scale in efficency like Edmund Hillary scales mount everest once the game progresses.

I'm honestly not sure how to adress this, if you simply had the impression that Oak was too strong, that'd be one thing, but level 6? I'm not one to tell others they're playing the game wrong, but dude, there's no way Oak dominates from level 6 and on.

If he puts everything he has in static damage (as in non-% based stats, such as more than 1 point into Soul Power) and minions, along with damage boosting items and favor, he can be buff enough to start melting towers around level 8. But even then, he goes down soo quickly once the enemy gains a few levels and start doing damage. Overall, he can barely rack up kills at all in the first half of the game (at least you shouldn't let him, which isn't hard since he is so slow early on).

You beat him simply by having him spend 50% of the game running back to base (very tedious, since he's so slow to begin with). Every second he stands idle at a flag farming creeps is a second closer to reaching level 15+, and any Oak drools at the aspect of buffing up and pay you back for 15 levels of humiliation. He also sucks at anything beyond 1vs1, even if the teams are equal. He simply can't take dmg from 2 demigods at once, and his shield goes away fast in the early game (again, any stun will knock him out of HoL despite the shield).

And you didn't even mention the minions?

From these responses it just seems like people don't know how to play Oak.  I have never lost to a spirit oak, it's only useful vs rook towers really.  Yes he starts to become really good at level 5 or 6 with surge of faith, if this is surprising to you then you aren't playing him right...but if you think minion build Oak is really really good then well there's little hope in having an intelligent conversation in the first place about this.

Maybe in a couple months it will become apparent.  Until then, I'll agree with the masses and say no character is overpowered, I rescind my post.

I beat oak as sedna (I just must play against horrible oaks ... or maybe im just that pro? Oh wait its the internet .. nope im just facing baddies).

I forgot you are so gewd...

O wait i remember your thread looks like this ...

As Oak, you're not gonna do well at level 6 or so with surge of faith and pentiance, because you're about as squishy as Torchbearer without the actual damage output. Act high and mighty as you want, but that guy won fair and square.

at lvl 6 with my tb build i do well  i do better at lvl 8 with  lvl 3 rof and fb

i anit played oak in ages

"You beat him simply by having him spend 50% of the game running back to base (very tedious, since he's so slow to begin with). Every second he stands idle at a flag farming creeps is a second closer to reaching level 15+, and any Oak drools at the aspect of buffing up and pay you back for 15 levels of humiliation. "

i played two pantheons as dark, and this pantheon as oak..and ive seen this on both sides and its the absolute gospel truth. 

@owa

"but if you think minion build Oak is really really good then well there's little hope in having an intelligent conversation in the first place about this."

Bro minion oak is one of the most devastating builds of any DG late game.  Its not repeated all over the forums every week because someone made it up.  Oak is def one of the weaker DG's early game who blossoms up with some mana equipment and his skills.  The point is to rape him before he gets there. 

and even then ive seen oak come back so many times and roflstomp ppl its ridiculous. 

Dear god, if only we could give negative Karma.

You really aught to learn how to type before venturing into forums.

Makerz its both, your nothing close to pro and you have played vs noobs, in 1v1 sedna has no chance vs oak if played properly, oak will EASILY overdamage your heals + can interrupt the heal. With HoL + shield oak has like 2 lifes, basicly oak is not OP but shield + HoL is, they should add casting time to HoL that would fix it.

You can use a skill with an interrupt to stop HoL through Oak's shield. The shield will stop the damage of the skill, but its interrupt will still stop HoL.

All I can say is that we have different playing experiences and I really can't convince any of you of my point since they are so diametrically opposed.  And yes, I really am that good and the reason I posted this is because the game is a joke when my team plays Oak with Sedna and it is baffling that it isn't obvious that Oak is the best demigod out there even without Sedna backup. In my opinon the Demigod community is woefully underskilled in general compared to other RTS's, so I guess it shoudn't be surprising that the boards are so poorly informed.

But anyways you guys keep rolling "pros" with minion builds and spirits!

I can't help but notice that you've lost 80% of your games as oak. Spirit much, or what?

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troll owned

He is a odd one. I never said spirit is a good build but i guess his pro-pwnage-1337-self took it as that. I just said i don't see oak as OP.

But you can tell he came here just to argue. He says its not OP and of course the first person to say he isn't he is gonna rage out on. So its all good. He tried to just come in a game and ask me to 2v2. He needed his "friend" though. I offered 1v1 but eh he wouldn't. Idc anymore. He can rage all day and ill just play and .. he can ... rage? I guess? Yeah?

Instant classic!

idk. it just seemed to fit you know?

only unbalance is the hol + sheild bs...

Oh i missed this post. Rly bro? I forgot your super pro to man ...

OH WAIT I KNOW WHERE I KNOW YOU.... !!!

I knew that was someone .... your right you are pro. Ima go cry now guys

@ owa

nothing against you bro, but posting for the fun of the thread (this is owas response to a thread titled "should generals get morale"

 or something close to that

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