New update, overdone the downgrade

Why was the damage AND Armor reduction lowered while also raising the mana cost of bite down?

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To balance it.

Reply #2 Top

Dont you think it went a bit to far. sure the damage was decently high, but fireball does over 1k and the armor reduction can be easly cancled. there is a way to fight each char, u just have to be smart. Mana cost raise could of balanced it better or raise the cooldown. no need to make it worthless

Reply #3 Top

people were coming into the hospital with keyboard injuries to their face and stardock couldn't handle a lawsuit.

Reply #4 Top

If you think bite was balanced then you're a big dumb babby who should get out

Reply #5 Top

It does good damage, it heals quite well, it lowers there armor by quite a lot, and it gives a big slow.

 

:fox:

Reply #6 Top

i dont think it was nerfed enough played a few games aginst him and seems just as strong as he was befor the nerf

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Why was the damage AND Armor reduction lowered while also raising the mana cost of bite down?

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To appeal to the loudest minority on the forumz

Reply #9 Top

It was a bit of a painful nerf, but I think I'll live. Only problem is that it scales even worse then it did before. Although, being Erebus, you don't want long games in the first place.

 

To nerf it anymore would be way too much. Personally, I think that it was a bit much, but I can't do anything about that. At least people won't complain as much about it being OP.

 

Had two games since the nerf, lost one, won the other. The first match was lost because my ally was an imbecile who is too dumb to buy flag locks(seriously, if the game is anything but Fortress, you sure as hell better buy flag locks. I don't care if you don't have room for your shitty heart of life. Flag locks win games, HoL doesn't), and really had nothing to do with bite's debuff. The second match which was one ended up being similar... except having a good ally. Although the glitch Where Erebus stands still twiddling his thumbs when you select bite is still there. That glitch got me killed.

 

Basicly, I see it as this: If you played a good Erebus before, you'll still play a good Erebus now. If you played a crappy Erebus then, you'll be even worse now.

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heres an idea for your Erebus players - hmmm uses minions. I know its a radical concept, considering hes a general but just a thought.

 

The number of games i have played with Erebus wandering around like an assassin class.

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Although the glitch Where Erebus stands still twiddling his thumbs when you select bite is still there. That glitch got me killed.
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This is the most annoying thing in the game currently for me. I miss kills, die, miss the bite to slow an enemy chasing an ally etc. it's to the point where teammates comment on it.

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Do you people honeslty only play one hero? Is that the reason behind the TOTAL opposition of a justifiable nerf? He is still the king of survivability and yet everyones running around crying about a hardly noticable nerf.

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Quoting aussiedoc, reply 10
heres an idea for your Erebus players - hmmm uses minions. I know its a radical concept, considering hes a general but just a thought.

 

The number of games i have played with Erebus wandering around like an assassin class.
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hmmm... here's an idea. How about you play your demigod in the most effective manner possible?

 

As far as the nerf, I agree, it doesn't scale too well. Other than that, not too drastic of a change. Mana managment is a bit trickier now, but it is managable.

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Quoting aussiedoc, reply 10
heres an idea for your Erebus players - hmmm uses minions. I know its a radical concept, considering hes a general but just a thought.

 

The number of games i have played with Erebus wandering around like an assassin class.
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I only play Erebus with minions. In fact, in games with favour, minions are the first thing I buy. I wouldn't dream of leaving home without them. And yes, I still use bite like a fiend.

Quoting WickedBear, reply 12
Do you people honeslty only play one hero? Is that the reason behind the TOTAL opposition of a justifiable nerf? He is still the king of survivability and yet everyones running around crying about a hardly noticable nerf.
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I don't play the game enough to warrent playing anyone else.

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Quoting WickedBear, reply 12
Do you people honeslty only play one hero? Is that the reason behind the TOTAL opposition of a justifiable nerf? He is still the king of survivability and yet everyones running around crying about a hardly noticable nerf.
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not sedna?

Reply #16 Top

Try out a different Demigod, jesus christ. Erebus was overpowered, and the new nerf doesn't even do that much to be honest. You can still batswarm in and out and fuck shit up. Just can't be spamming bite anymore.

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Quoting Protocept00, reply 16
Try out a different Demigod, jesus christ. Erebus was overpowered, and the new nerf doesn't even do that much to be honest. You can still batswarm in and out and fuck shit up. Just can't be spamming bite anymore.
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What should I spam now then? MIST?

 

Here, you stop using pentinance, and I'll stop using bite.

Reply #18 Top

Quoting TheTrav, reply 15

Quoting WickedBear, reply 12Do you people honeslty only play one hero? Is that the reason behind the TOTAL opposition of a justifiable nerf? He is still the king of survivability and yet everyones running around crying about a hardly noticable nerf.

not sedna?
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Sedna's actually pretty easy to kill with a stunner on your team. Late game she's more of a fly on the wall than anything else imo. 

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Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler, reply 17

Quoting Protocept00, reply 16Try out a different Demigod, jesus christ. Erebus was overpowered, and the new nerf doesn't even do that much to be honest. You can still batswarm in and out and fuck shit up. Just can't be spamming bite anymore.

What should I spam now then? MIST?
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You could try biting still? And hitting them with your club after the armor reduction because it still does damn good damage? The fact that its not instant win after chasing a hero through 3 towers and blinking out doesn't mean it isn't effective.

Reply #20 Top

LOL UB is the most OP and nobodie can argue that and prove me wrong. skills speak for themselves, even if u suck as him hes still way more op then 900 bite.  maybe if the cd was raised so that it wasnt as spamable that would of been a bit more accepted.

Reply #21 Top

Quoting WickedBear, reply 19

Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler, reply 17
Quoting Protocept00, reply 16Try out a different Demigod, jesus christ. Erebus was overpowered, and the new nerf doesn't even do that much to be honest. You can still batswarm in and out and fuck shit up. Just can't be spamming bite anymore.

What should I spam now then? MIST?
You could try biting still? And hitting them with your club after the armor reduction because it still does damn good damage? The fact that its not instant win after chasing a hero through 3 towers and blinking out doesn't mean it isn't effective.
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I'm sorry, but if anyone chases someone through 3 towers, they better be dead. If some godly Erebus could chase and manage to catch up to someone through three towers and kill them with nothing but bite, they still can now. Seriously though, introduce me to this guy. He's freaking insane.

Bite's still perfectly spammable, you just need to watch your mana usage more. And why should Erebus worry about clubbing when he has plenty of minions to do it for him. Erebus has better things to use his club on. Like seals.

Reply #22 Top

I don't know what to tell ya.. I have no problems killing a hero past 3 towers as erebus. If you carry a pot on you, you're good to go as long as you got mana. Why club? Because you're faster than your target hero, save blink for escape. Minions can't keep up, thats their true problem.  Spam bite and club, and you can easily kill a hero from half health with erebus if he doesn't have backup. Towers have never made me... "fear" killing somone as an erebus, which brings me to the whole point of his ridiculous survivability. I don't play him ussualy cause it ussualy causes more ragequits than other characters I play, and I think with valid reasoning. =/

Reply #23 Top

Towers are usually arranged in pairs, so are you talking 3 independant towers, or three tiers of towers?

Second, I was joking about the club thing. I wasn't even complaining. I was talking to Proto who was complaining about Erebus players who spam bite, when they don't really have anything else worth spamming. I've never seen or heard of an Erebus who was actually successful doing nothing but bite. Auto attacking is pretty much implied with the armour and speed debuff.

Really though, what does Erebus have to spam other then bite?

Also, minions can keep up... when they don't get caught on the freaking terrain.

 

But, the real issue is, why are you chasing someone through a bunch of towers and risking life and limb when you can just cap the flag they left behind?

Reply #24 Top

Quoting Diablo_III, reply 20
LOL UB is the most OP and nobodie can argue that and prove me wrong. skills speak for themselves, even if u suck as him hes still way more op then 900 bite.  maybe if the cd was raised so that it wasnt as spamable that would of been a bit more accepted.
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Right... UB is way more difficult to play and know your limits than ereb...  im.. not gonna argue with you though.. I feel like theres more productive people on here to have a conversation with lol.

Reply #25 Top

Quoting TheGuildfordStrangler, reply 23
Towers are usually arranged in pairs, so are you talking 3 independant towers, or three tiers of towers?

Second, I was joking about the club thing. I wasn't even complaining. I was talking to Proto who was complaining about Erebus players who spam bite, when they don't really have anything else worth spamming. I've never seen or heard of an Erebus who was actually successful doing nothing but bite. Auto attacking is pretty much implied with the armour and speed debuff.

Really though, what does Erebus have to spam other then bite?

Also, minions can keep up... when they don't get caught on the freaking terrain.

 

But, the real issue is, why are you chasing someone through a bunch of towers and risking life and limb when you can just cap the flag they left behind?
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It's not risking life and limb if you know what you're doing. I played DOTA classic (reign of chaos.. not shitty frozen throne dota) for over 7 years. It teaches you to know your limits well, and be completely aware of your surroundings. If you know what you're doing you can easily push your limits. The reason im drawn to this game is that same reason, I know my limits better than most my opponents, and thats what makes me win. If I can kill the hero, come back and cap the flag, (if it wasnt already), im now 750-2k richer and I have the flag.

The problem with chasing somone that far past their defenses is it leaves you INCREDIBLY vulnerable to teleports[especially if they have stuns] (assuming you were aware that the other teamates werent closeby to cut you off). However, only very good oponents will capitilize on such an opportunity. And by 3 towers, I just mean in general. On cataract especially, I have no problem killing somone near their portal from a side flag. I've chased people farther though, especially on exile.