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female skinners

I am just wondering, are there any master female skinners?  and how long will it take before females are recognized as equals as males on this site, and get promoted almost as fast as the males........  As a female, i personally dont believe that we are.  I feel that its very hard to be recognized as a serious skinner being female......

 

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Reply #101 Top
how many people have the time


Its one click of a slider.   
Reply #102 Top
err...not that I would or anything...so don't get the wrong idea...but which slider is it?   

Reply #103 Top
The Hue slider in the Coloring section of WB, you can also change it by using the little button in your appearance tab in display properties.
Reply #104 Top
Start more community projects. Gather together all the female skinners in a single group and start working on skins and suites. What's stopping you from forming an all-woman skinning studio? MaxStyles could use some competition!

Are you involved in other female-oriented online communities? Get them involved, try and bring in more people to fuel and promote the cause.

My point is that if it's an important issue to you, you need to start working to improve the situation too.


There really aren't that many women to gather together - Jazzymjr and I do mini suites.
Someone mentioned that perhaps women by-pass WC because think of skinning as a male hobby/occupation/etc

While any skin can be recolored to suite anyones taste, a few weeks ago a young woman about 16 or 18 asked in forum for a Fairytale based Theme. I had to direct her to another site for the only 2 windowblinds I know of. There's just not enough interest in that type of skin to warrant anyone ( male or female ) to do one. So it would have to be done by someone that was making it for themselves or just because they wanted to make a Theme knowing it wouldn't be all that popular with a site full of men.

Remember, women do have their own money and like to spend it and will if they think they just ' have to have it "

And I'm not talking ' shoes ' NT
Reply #105 Top
Here is a really fast color switch of Light Blue 2 by Pixstudio (one of my wife's favorite skins):



Reply #106 Top
And the settings:

Reply #107 Top
is simple to recolor a skin by using the default color changer in WB config.. adjusting hue,sat will achieve the desired results...without having to manually recolor a skins elements... fast and easy...
Reply #108 Top
Nice post Fairry~ and perhaps something to consider   

Zubaz... way to one up me     
Reply #109 Top
a few weeks ago a young woman about 16 or 18 asked in forum for a Fairytale based Theme. I had to direct her to another site for the only 2 windowblinds I know of.
Not everyone has time or talent to skin (look at  me) but in cases like that young lady . . I'd love to see something like a workshop for skinners started.  I could see it done in chuncks:

Workshop 1: Developing a theme
Workshop 2: Building a mock-up
Workshop 3: Creating elements
Workshop 4: Putting it all together
Workshop 5: Explain to Zubaz how it's so much harder than that

Most of the work by the user would be done between workshops.  The workshops would be for the workshop leader to do some demonstrations but mostly just open discussion.  It could be done mostly in IRC or a chatroom hosted almost anywhere.  Maybe some web collaboration tool like yugma or webex could be used to share desktops or whatever.    Or maybe just uploading works in progress to imageshack.us.

I dunno . . it's an idea (and not one just for women).
Reply #110 Top
I dunno . . it's an idea (


and a good one. When we did that at Skinartistry, it was mostly women. Many more were interested but getting everyone together at the same time was terribly cumbersome.

A video tutorial would do wonders.
Reply #111 Top
A video tutorial would do wonders.


I think if i ever took on something like that it would end up at about 20 gigs... which is why I haven't.  
Reply #112 Top
There's just not enough interest in that type of skin to warrant anyone ( male or female ) to do one. So it would have to be done by someone that was making it for themselves or just because they wanted to make a Theme knowing it wouldn't be all that popular with a site full of men.


That's an interesting, and telling, statement.

While I can't give percentages, I suspect a majority of skinners skin for everyone else; meaning they tend to follow and emulate what is popular and gets a lot of attention, downloads, etc, as opposed to skinning for themselves. But, again with nothing to back it up but gut feeling, I suspect women do tend to skin more for themselves, what they like and want to use in a skin and are less concerned with downloads, popularity, etc.

Which leads me to also wonder how much popularity figures into promotion. If a skinner does very good work, is technically proficient, and does a complete job, but doesn't happen to make what is 'popular' at the time, do they get less notice by those that promote and tend to get passed by?

Food for thought, anyway.
Reply #113 Top
*Edit access denied*  

additionally.. I guess as far as WIP goes, I may do the same as IR did on his last theme and have a thread dedicated devoted to the development of my next WB.
Reply #114 Top

That's an interesting, and telling, statement.

While I can't give percentages, I suspect a majority of skinners skin for everyone else; meaning they tend to follow and emulate what is popular and gets a lot of attention, downloads, etc, as opposed to skinning for themselves. But, again with nothing to back it up but gut feeling, I suspect women do tend to skin more for themselves, what they like and want to use in a skin and are less concerned with downloads, popularity, etc.

Which leads me to also wonder how much popularity figures into promotion. If a skinner does very good work, is technically proficient, and does a complete job, but doesn't happen to make what is 'popular' at the time, do they get less notice by those that promote and tend to get passed by?

Food for thought, anyway.


That is 100% true Pic..

Lets face it no one wants to spend weeks making a windowblind that goes " Flop "
Its hard to really second guess all the time what will work and not work.
It does make you feel like the time invested was worth it when you see lots download something you make. But your right , I think women tend to not look at the downloads as much. Good thing too - took me years to get to 60,000 downloads ( I think thats what it is ) If I took that into consideration Id have left long ago..

As for not getting noticed..I do think that quite a few tend to not get noticed because they don't post much in forum. I do not believe its deliberate - just kind of not thought of until someone mentions it.
Reply #115 Top
just kind of not thought of until someone mentions it.


And that would be where Lantec's 'squeaky hinge' comes into play...
Reply #117 Top
OK, from what I read, you need some market research...how 'bout Stardock emails ALL their subscribers and asks them to participate in a survey describing what they would like (don't exclude the men so's they don't feel discriminated against). Then, analyse the data separately (by male and female respondents) and find out what women want.
Alternatively, I could do a webpage and upload it to my site and you can tell me what to modify and add, and then just post a message or two on these forums asking for responses...

Or you could focus on profits and aim for the market you already appeal to   .

Some suggestions for survey questions:
  • Gender
  • Age group
  • Type of skin generally used on user desktop
  • How long each skin is generally used for
  • Colors preferred (maybe a rank-order scale?)
  • What Stardock products are owned
  • Have you ever developed and published a skin?
  • MORE SUGGESTIONS


Sheesh, guys, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me to shut up and sit down...mind you, if you PM me (if there's a PM function) then I won't know...in fact, I don't even know where to go on the web to access this post...looked last night and couldn't find it!   

Reply #118 Top
And that would be where Lantec's 'squeaky hinge' comes into play...


Squeaky wheel gets the grease.


Which comes back to my original post way back at the beginning of that not being a fair system - but I believe Jafo said they were hoping to work out a better one in 2008 where stats come into play also....

Some people just aren't 'squeakers'

Reply #119 Top
in fact, I don't even know where to go on the web to access this post...looked last night and couldn't find it!

https://forums.wincustomize.com | General Discussion | Community |

OK, from what I read, you need some market research
I'm not sure I agree with you.  I don't think Stardock can be the driver here.  I think it needs to be a grassroots program of users telling their network about this place.

I appreciate that you are making an effort to make a difference.

How about this for an idea : Women interviewing women skinners?  Get that article up and cross post it here and there.  I'd Digg it if it were interesting.

Reply #120 Top
Just because there aren't many women skinners doesn't mean there aren't tons who customize, I believe the site has a healthy amount of females using the products and the art. There's nothing wrong with more men skinning than women, it's probably just how it is and will be, perhaps as the whole they have made the choice that other things in life are more interesting to them? Does the gender of the skinner even matter as long as the skin is quality?
Reply #121 Top
.how 'bout Stardock emails ALL their subscribers and asks them to participate in a survey describing what they would like (don't exclude the men so's they don't feel discriminated against). Then, analyse the data separately (by male and female respondents) and find out what women want.


Bugger that, surveys cost too much, take too long....I'll organize for Mel Gibson to come in instead.

Anyhow, I'm getting sick and tired of this male - female debate....it is much ado about bugger all and has gone on far too long.

Apart from one or two obvious differences, there's not a lot to distinguish between male and female skinners, anyhow...so lets have no more of it, eh!

In fact, there's gonna be some new rules....the first of many starting with: no animosity or prejudice between men and women; there will be no segregation/male only - female only activities....etc, etc.

Now to get your new rule books, I want the guys to queue up over here....and the girls over here.
Reply #122 Top
Now to get your new rule books, I want the guys to queue up over here....and the girls over here
LOL


Reply #123 Top
As a female, I don't see what all the hubub is about. Promotions and gender seem like completely separate issues on this site.

The people doing the promotions do not appear to do so based on gender. Some have even stated so in this thread. Furthermore, once you start counting up the days/months/years between promotions you'll lose sight of what's supposed to be important; that is, skinning because you love it and not for notoriety. Recognition is great but it shouldn't be all you're shooting for. I don't think making Master on WC should be the make or break highlight of your skinning career. If you are really talented it is not a question of IF you'll be promoted/recognized but when. If there is a better system than the one we have, I'm all for it, but statistics don't always reflect quality. Sometimes there is no adequate substitute to good human judgment.

As for there not being enough females on the site, I don't think that's the staff's problem. If they didn't have to go out and specifically 'recruit' men to come to the site they shouldn't have to do that to get the women on here. People are drawn here for their own reasons, and if that reason is based on the ratio between men and women that's that individual's problem. I can see that there are more men than women here but that didn't stop me from joining up nor will it deter me from sticking around. I don't even see how leaving or quitting helps the situation. Seems more counter-productive than anything else. I think if we want more women here, the women already here have to be more visible. If your not active in the forums/community how will I know you exist? You don't have to be as loud as a squeaky wheel. I only know a handful of the women on this site and that is mostly from their being active on the forums and my taking the time to view their profiles and learning who else they know. I don't consider them to be squeaky wheels but they are definitely a presence here (and a welcome one at that). If I don't have the time to be seen and heard from often, I would accept that will have something to do with my not being known very well or recognized. I don't have a real beef about the ratio between men and women here but I would love to see more women on the site.

Suggestions on how to do that? Well, I must say that after reading through this thread the other day I did feel the need to check out more profiles and give a shout out to the women who's work I admire. Seems like the best place to start, to me. Just good old acquaintanceship.
Reply #124 Top
Great post sViz..and here is the kicker.. I never even knew you were female.   

Good to have you around !   
Reply #125 Top
I found out today that someone I thought was a female skinner isn't so female.

Here's a game.

Name the female skinners.