Besides, while I recognise the necessity of a gun in certain circumstances (defend yourself, hunting when no other food is available), this whole thread is about a "gun theme"... Now why would somebody want a gun theme? Somebody who loves guns so much that he'd like to have one on his desktop. Now, that is beyond "necessity", it's just downright creepy, IMO. 

U dont need a gun, read the Art of War.
I understand Katanas, they represent history and honnor, but guns thats just modern lazyness.

Wars should be fought in a LAN parties.

I say that we should pay taxes to help create one tough president. One who knows martial arts and is HUGE! Then if he want to go to war with another country, let him go and fight the other countries leader. Hand to Hand Combat.

I heard once that we should have a woman for president. Then when we break off relations with another country we would get half their money and all their cars

I've given this some thought before writing. I do not hunt, cannot bear the thought of injuring anything living and cannot stand the sight of blood. Still, I do believe that we have the right to bear arms and I have been known to shoot target myself. I truly wonder if the morbid obsession with guns as an instrument of death has more to do with our making them forbidden. Anyone who has observed an angry rebellious child knows that the surest way to et them to do something is to say that they dare not do it. For example, in the States we have a horrific problem with binge drinking among college students that is not commomly seen in cultures where children are exposed to a glass of wine with dinner as a commonplace thing such as Italy or Greece. If we took the mystery out of firearms they loose their "forbidden" appeal.
As to beauty, I recognize art when I see it (LOVE the Met)and just yesterday was at a gun library where there were some old pieces retailing for $13,000. They were intricately carved and quite beautiful. I have to admit that there is something "Mad TVish" about seeing some of the individuals in the library with guns, but wierd does not mean dangerous.
Thus ends Sapphira's soliloquy...

You don't see bears coming into our homes to kill us

Well, yes you do, we killed a bear that came into my dad-in-law's barn and killed one of his two goats, and dragged it off into the woods....that bear didn't make the round trip the second time it came back and he was tasty too There is a place and a reason for a gun, this whole thread is full of valid ones.

Anyway someone may very well want a gun theme for their desktop, because they are a gun collector, much like a car aficionado might want a car theme for theirs

Yes there would be more buffalo without guns. However there would not be a United States either. Columbus would not have been able to settle on this big island and you would not live where you are now without them.

There'd be a few more Indians [you know, Native Americans] too.

How many of the 500 Nations are left?

Cars are made for driving. Collecting guns is IMO a little weird. I know somebody who has a little colletion of shells. Personnaly I find that sick.

It really doesn't matter which side of the fence your on. One side will never convince the other that they are right.You either like them or you don't, you either want them or you don't.

In the USA....

Almost 42,000 people killed by cars in 2000 compared to 35,000 people killed by guns.


That was actually just a couple of quick stats I pulled off the internet. I'm sure there are years where the opposite are true. What actually surprised me was with the improvements made in vehicle safety, tougher drunk driving laws, seatbelt laws and enforcement of other traffic laws that that number is so comparably high. Which just leads me to believe that it's the actions, mental state and/or education of the car or gun owner that cause the majority of these deaths not the tools themselves.
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/me will now add her opinion on the answer to the gun problem!


Okay, here's my idea to solve the gun problem....stop making the bullits! I think all gunpowder should only be used to make fireworks! Just think how pretty they are.....and with no bullits, the guns would become pointless! So you see, that would solve the gun problem and make lots more pretty fireworks for everyone to oooooh! and AAAAAAAhhhhh! over!

/me now ends her opinion on this question! Bye!
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Almost 42,000 people killed by cars in 2000 compared to 35,000 people killed by guns.

Same stats for the UK, @ 1/5th the population of the US - 3431 by cars, 81 by guns....

Hope you 'gun culture' folks find that sobering. I find the US stats very disturbing, and even more disturbing is the acceptance of guns as everyday objects. Frightening.

Wars should be fought in a LAN parties.

Yep, and the program of choice should be "Soldier Of Fortune". Let them make all their war strategies on the computer game board. The president and his cabinet will fight the war at CompUSA(it has to be at a patriotic computer store), and we should host the opposition. No children lost and the winner gets a new alienware computer(Hooray!!)
Hey, I'm serious. Alienware computers rock. That's a great prize.

Well, yes you do, we killed a bear that came into my dad-in-law's barn and killed one of his two goats, and dragged it off into the woods

Yeah right, the bear came into your suburban neighborhood and went into your barn? Wait a minute, they don't have barns in suburban neighborhoods. Oh I get it, you built a house in the woods where the bears live and now he can't live their freely either.

I think that if we got rid of guns we would live life with more intelligence.

Really ? Hmmmm Feudal societies were born of intellectual debate

with no bullits

Nooooooooo Bullit was a Steve McQueen movie about a Mustang....LB I think you mean bullets

If we got rid of guns, we'd find another way of killing each other

3431 by cars

in the UK apparently a lot of us Americans do drive on the wrong side of the road

Almost 42,000 people killed by cars in 2000 compared to 35,000 people killed by guns.

I find that statistic disturbing, but I believe it.  But if the US stats are similar to Canadian stats, about 90% of those are caused by either teenagers and/or by speeding. That's why they should increase the driving age to 25 and stricly enforce the speed limit.

But again, cars are not made to kill, they are made for transportation. You can't exactly outlaw cars, you can only enforce responsible driving more.

Actually, about cars and speeding, I think that cars should not be able to go faster than 70 mph. That would solve a lot of problems.

Car made out of metal, weak body work.
Humans drive them, humans today not so great drivers.
And still when someone has an accident they feel bad...
Hello driving car, its a suicide booth.

Oh I get it, you built a house in the woods where the bears live and now he can't live their freely either.

Its most likely that the place you live today was once in the woods and you are inhabiting land that was taken from some poor animal. The roads you drive on were once wilderness were wild animal roamed free. Are you saying that mankind should stop NOW after you found your place to live?? Maybe we should make all of mankind steril now so there will be no increases in population that require ppl to build a home near or in the woods. Or maybe everyone on the face of the earth should pack into a city somewhere and never go out. I guess we could always build taller apartment buildings to house all the ppl. Wait, then we would be encroaching on the bird habitat. Hmmmm...... I give up, what is your point here

My point is that there are very few wild areas for the animals left. Haven't we inhabited enough of the forests? Can't we live in harmony with the animals without killing them?

Are you saying that mankind should stop NOW after you found your place to live??

No, don't stop now. Destroy the few remaining parks and protected forests and kill all the animals. Why stop now?

You would do better trying to stop the world from turning than to stop the population of mankind from growing Chas. I agree that it is very sad what mankind has done to this earth but in cannot be stopped. When I go into the woods it is to injoy the beauty that surrounds me. I own hunting guns but no longer hunt. I shoot animals with a camera. My web site is www.mikebarrett.net. Check it out and you will see that I love animals and love the beautiful landscapes of the state I live in. It is prestine to me. It hurts to see clear cut forests. I dont even like to see forest fires though they are helpful to many animals as it revitalizes the ground cover for animals to feed on.

Living in harmony with wildlife is something I have been striving to do for more than 30 years. But even then you Will find times that wildlife does not want to live in harmony with you. At those times I want a firearm on my side. Harmony or not, if it comes to my life or death, I will protect myself.

We all have a right to bear arms in this country, that does not require us to exercise that right. We do NOT have the right to kill ppl unless it is in self defense. I guess thats what it all boils down to.

Thanx Admins

Yeah ive lived in the country my whole life, more and more ppl are moving in, If I could prevent them to come in but I cant

why is this conversation being held on a skinning site? i don't care of a person likes guns or not. i don't but that's my personal belief. the thing is, why is this being discussed here? it has nothing to do with skinning...absolutely zero content towards skinning. lock this thread before it gets uglier, please.

Analyse the root of the question to of where the answer lies.

Find the answer before jumping to conclusions.