Groupy 2.1 Beta Feedback Thread

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With the Groupy 2.1 beta release today, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the beta:

Object Desktop members can get the beta from within Object Desktop Manager with 'show beta downloads' enabled:

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

Reporting an issue:

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Groupy 2 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

07/19/2023

2.1 (2.1.0.3 file version)

  • Stardock release

  • Steam release

07/18/2023

2.1 (2.1.0.3 file version)

  • Restoring a group that was combined and minimized when maximized will now restore correctly to maximized

  • Resolved issue with groups with services.msc in them being shifted down when maximized

  • Resolved the issue with missing tabs entirely when maximizing some apps when in tabs on top mode

  • Resolved issue with /t showing incorrectly on the new tab menu item

07/12/2023

2.1 (2.1.0.1 file version)

  • Resolved issue with saved groupy files not working correctly for tabs after a tabbed browser in the group

  • Resolved issue with combined group taskbar button mode when using Start11 enhanced taskbar where Windows would leave the taskbar button group after saving the group again

  • Resolved issue with saving groups with Chrome apps in it.  These groups will need resaving

07/10/2023

  • ** ADDED ** Closing Explorer windows now adds them to a reopen closed window list for windows closed in the last 30 minutes

  • ** ADDED ** Added new option for Explorer windows to toggle if new tabs should open in the current folder or not

  • ** ADDED ** Added option to hide the drop down arrow next to new tab button under advanced tab settings

  • Resolved issue with combined taskbar buttons not showing previews correctly when a saved group has windows added or removed from it

  • Resolved issue with combined taskbar buttons not showing previews correctly when a saved group is saved as a new name

  • Resolved issue with the new Steam client not saving in a groupy file correctly.  Groups saved with the new client will need resaving

  • Resolved issue with new tab drop down arrow not showing the correct options for the active window sometimes

  • Resolved text color on active tab when being dragged when in dark mode with certain OS accent colors

  • Resolved issue with small flicker on autohide tabs when showing occasionally

  • Reduced area for autohide detection to reduce accidental triggering

  • Resolved issue where clicking on a combined taskbar button group with Start11 enhanced taskbar enabled did not cause the group to minimize or restore correctly

  • Resolved potential issue with starting Start11 after Groupy 2 causing taskbar button active status to not always be correct

  • Resolved issue with being able to close tabs clicking where the close button would be when the close button is disabled in Groupy

  • Fixed issue with sticky notes app not being saved correctly into saved groups

  • Fixed issue with splash screens sometimes causing misgroups when the window class is the same as the main app window 

6/30/23

  • Fixed the option to disable update checking not working correctly

  • Resolved issue with an unexpected painting of the Groupy bar background when Mica effect is selected and OS transparency option is disabled.

  • Adjusted save group logic to fix a possible issue with the incorrect name being used for 'Save' option.

  • Strips off -startup command line for everything.exe

  • Resolved issue with saving Edge/Chrome windows with custom profiles in a group.  Note Groups containing one of these will need to be resaved.

  • Resolved issue with line between app and groupy tabs being too dark when maximized on Windows 11.

  • Now strips off the path in the save groupy menu item as redundant.

  • Added options to control what the close button does on with integrated tabs.

  • Resolved slowness issue with adding a new tab from the ungrouped window Groupy bar when maximized if the app was a chromium derivative app

  • Resolved maximized window offset issue when new tab added from ungrouped window Groupy bar

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

So far here's what I've found.

1. The translucent drop target is still not dismissed until several seconds (10+) later.

2. The "Save Group" menu item is working correctly now. I would still like to see groupy just auto save size/pos and tabs. It should be enough to simply add another window and then close the group or at least add a shortcut key to "Update Group" or something similar.

2a. After adding a new tab using the "Show only one combined button" mode and then clicking "Save Group" I end up with a combined button as well as individual buttons for the tabs. This does not appear to happen with the "Show only active window" option.

3. Thank you VERY much for allowing integrated tabs to close the whole group via the close button. It was the only thing keeping me from using tabs integrated into the caption.

4. With tabs on top maximizing then restoring a group causes the tab bar to disappear. clicking the taskbar button restores it.

I'll give it a proper run when I get some more free time.

SYSINFO:

Windows 11 Pro 22621.1928

Groupy 2.1 Beta

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 4

So far here's what I've found.

2a. After adding a new tab using the "Show only one combined button" mode and then clicking "Save Group" I end up with a combined button as well as individual buttons for the tabs. This does not appear to happen with the "Show only active window" option.

4. With tabs on top maximizing then restoring a group causes the tab bar to disappear. clicking the taskbar button restores it.

End of Narusegawa's quote

I tried replicating these two and wasn't able to. Are you able to record a video of you replicating them?

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

The issue I reported in https://forums.stardock.com/520936/page/1/#3894372 is still an issue with Groupy2.1 Beta.

With the OS transparency option disabled, the background bar colors don't behave as expected.

Windows 10 Pro 19045.3155; Groupy2.1 Beta

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Hey Team Stardock. As in another post in this forum ( REPLY 31 | https://forums.stardock.com/520796/page/2/#3894268 ), the bug is also present in Groupy 2.1 Beta (see pictures).

As soon as the explorer window is maximized and a new tab is added, the explorer window automatically shrinks and Groupy 2 slips out of the explorer. It would also be really great if the Groupy 2 bar wasn't so compressed when the explorer window is maximized ( See Picture ):

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The next topic is not a bug more a cosmetic problem. In the pictures, Groupy 2 is attached as an additional frame on the file explorer above. As soon as the file explorer window is maximized, the Groupy2 additional frame becomes smaller and there is a pixel gap between Groupy2 and the file explorer (see picture with the red circle). This does not happen when maximizing to half the screen.

My System: Windows 10 Pro, Version 22H2 (Build 19045.3086).

Groupy 2.1 Beta

Greetings, Creativ3AK

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

All,

We have updated the Groupy 2.1 beta:

https://forums.stardock.com/521400/get;3896640

As always, thank you for your time and feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager 

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

Confirmed the tasbar button seperation has been fixed. I still have the issue with the bar and tabs vanishing on min/max/restore but I suspect a different culprit. One that will likely require me to format so I can't do it right now. Hopefully later today. 

Quick response time on this one thanks guys. :congrat:  

EDIT:

On a side note I occasionally get an explorer crash when closing a group. It appears to happen on larger groups of 5 or more and for groups that use programs with startup delay times sometimes it will open 2 groups with the tabs splits between them. 

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 10

On a side note I occasionally get an explorer crash when closing a group. It appears to happen on larger groups of 5 or more and for groups that use programs with startup delay times sometimes it will open 2 groups with the tabs splits between them. 
End of Narusegawa's quote

To even begin to know if that is related to Groupy at all, we would need dumps from it.  This is for Start11 but the same process applies:

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1347321935/Manually+Collecting+Start+Crash+Dumps

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

Yeah I do plan on doing a dump however I'm going to try a format. I have some other major issues that require it. In fact it's so bad even system restore is broken. It is quite possible that's the problem here with groupy as well. I only mentioned it in case others has experienced it as well. 

I'll keep you informed on how it goes.

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

The drop target window still has issues. It almost always doesn't get dismissed properly. This happens around 70% of the time.

Freshly formatted Windows 11 22621.1928 Latest Groupy beta. This was displayed for about 3 minutes long after I closed the group.

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 13

The drop target window still has issues. It almost always doesn't get dismissed properly. This happens around 70% of the time.

Freshly formatted Windows 11 22621.1928 Latest Groupy beta. This was displayed for about 3 minutes long after I closed the group.


End of Narusegawa's quote

We have had no luck reproducing this and have no other reports of this.

Have you altered any Groupy settings or Windows settings and what other apps have been installed as there must be something else involved as well.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

I considered that as well. However after a format I'm still getting it. I'm also not sure what other programs could cause it but I do have quite a bit. I will try playing with removing things to see if it helps.

I'm also not sure what settings I could change other than appearance ones. For groupy I use top tabs with the combined button setting and also turn off integrating with explorer and notepad. I use the hold shift and full window drop options.

As for window settings where does one begin? Of course I change many settings but I can't see how it would affect this. Such as retore folders after restart and show file extensions.

While I'm sure it's something on my machine I have no idea what. Guess I'll mess around a bit. 

EDIT:

So I set drag/drop grouping to Always group windows when moved on top of each other and "Only group if the window has been held for at least one second" and I haven't see it happen yet. However I did get an explorer crash while tearing out one of the tabs. I have yet to install WinDBG yet however.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 15

I considered that as well. However after a format I'm still getting it. I'm also not sure what other programs could cause it but I do have quite a bit. I will try playing with removing things to see if it helps.
End of Narusegawa's quote

While a clean boot helps to showcase it could be a setting \ 3rd party app:?

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1346994300/Groupy+Clean+Boot

Using the Windows Sandbox will remove all doubt:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-sandbox

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 16


Quoting Narusegawa Naru,
reply 15

I considered that as well. However after a format I'm still getting it. I'm also not sure what other programs could cause it but I do have quite a bit. I will try playing with removing things to see if it helps.



While a clean boot helps to showcase it could be a setting \ 3rd party app:?

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1346994300/Groupy+Clean+Boot

Using the Windows Sandbox will remove all doubt:

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-sandbox

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

End of sdRohan's quote

I will give this a try however I typically use VMWare as apposed to sandbox. I think I have discovered a mitigation however I edited me previous post.

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

So after doing a clean boot I still have the same problem however it only happens when using the "Only while shift key is pressed" option. If I set it to "Always group" and "... held above for at least one second" options It doesn't happen. 

As a side note the GroupyStart.bat file failed with an error about no devices that use it ... I simply reendabled Only the groupy service in msconfig and rebooted again.

It does seem the issue is related to the usage of any modifiers. the shift, ctrl, and right mouse button options all do it. when set to always group it works fine.

I tried each option 50 times each with group counts of 2, 4, and 10. In both standard and clean boot modes and the results were consistent.

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 18

As a side note the GroupyStart.bat file failed with an error about no devices that use it ... I simply reendabled Only the groupy service in msconfig and rebooted again.
End of Narusegawa's quote

While I would like a screenshot \ video of the error, if a clean boot was done properly, it would shut down the Groupy service.  The only error one would see is if the service was already started.  This is my test:

https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-07-13_11-48-20.mp4

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 18

So after doing a clean boot I still have the same problem however it only happens when using the "Only while shift key is pressed" option. If I set it to "Always group" and "... held above for at least one second" options It doesn't happen. 

As a side note the GroupyStart.bat file failed with an error about no devices that use it ... I simply reendabled Only the groupy service in msconfig and rebooted again.

It does seem the issue is related to the usage of any modifiers. the shift, ctrl, and right mouse button options all do it. when set to always group it works fine.
End of Narusegawa's quote

Let me know from my video below, if I am doing something different in trying to recreate your issue. (Using the Shift option)

https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2023-07-13_12-10-19tpscroggins.mp4

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Sure thing the first snap is of msconfig prior to rebooting. the second is after reboot and running the batch file.

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Try dropping it on restored windows and after the drop grab and move the window. The drop target is revealed (behind the group) at that point. Ill make a new video but youtube takes a minute

EDIT: here's a video not sure if it's available yet

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Thanks, I got it to reproduce the first two times I tried it (but the effect did not last very long), but never again in several dozen attempts.  At what frequency does this happen for you? 

 

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting TPScroggins, reply 23

Thanks, I got it to reproduce the first two times I tried it (but the effect did not last very long), but never again in several dozen attempts.  At what frequency does this happen for you? 

 

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst
End of TPScroggins's quote

It occurs almost every time. The duration varies however. usually it's only a couple of seconds but once in a while it can hang for a few minutes. Even had enough time to close the group and watch it for about 2 minutes. Again to note it does not happen (for me) if I'm not using any modifiers and just have it set to group while hovering for more than a second option set.

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 24

It occurs almost every time. The duration varies however. usually it's only a couple of seconds but once in a while it can hang for a few minutes. Even had enough time to close the group and watch it for about 2 minutes. Again to note it does not happen (for me) if I'm not using any modifiers and just have it set to group while hovering for more than a second option set.
End of Narusegawa's quote

Your PC power (CPU, memory, etc) on the low, mid, or high end?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager