New GSM phone cannot be tapped.

intresting

Indeed. But no cute colored covers.

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"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."

One Wonders how long it will take for them to get their hands on them though....

#3: I don't think that this phone will make much of a difference. This is not the only way of secure communication.

http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/highlights.html

Can't say I blame them for bringing it out though.... talk about big brother!

"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."

Gee, wonder what why germany CAN use it themself tought... Both world wars germany was involved... (and yes, I know I get trouble with this )

Don't forget the cool things we have done, Styl. Remember the slave ships we have built? How about the VOC? Not sure, but WWII was over very fast for the Dutch, wouldn't you say so?

The German government is not the same as the ones they used to have in those World Wars. Same goes for us. Last time I checked it was illegal to trade slaves.

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It needs a cute cover otherwise it won't sell... at least for home users.

Now for businesses that is another story.

Good story.
/me selects insightful for story

"The phone will not be exported to countries declared "evil" by the German government, such as Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia and North Korea."


, and Russia had no intention of selling GPS jammers to Iraq, either. Forbid the sale and that just makes the price higher and *guarantees* that middlemen will smuggle them off to wherever you don't want them. On the bright side, at least the mafia won't have to invent stupid codes.

"You gonna be there?"
"Where?"
"You know, there..."
"Oh, yeah, I'll be there."
"You'll bring the... the shirts"
"OH, yeah, I'll have the shirts wit me."
"Don't forget the bullets for the shirts."




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@ Bakerstreet

MadIce, yeah I know, the VOC wasn't THAT bad, I know they did some 'bad' things (some general killed the hole population of a little eiland) But still, you cant compare those times.

btw, diffrend government huh? Das that mean that if 'pim fortuyn' was still alive we also werent allowed to get them? (We shouldn't IMO)

Remember, we are talking about a simple GSM phone. If that phone was produced in any other country, that country would have to deal with export regulations just Germany. What do you guys want? That the Wassenaar treaty was never signed by countries like Germany?

Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?

Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?

Remember, we are talking about a simple GSM phone. If that phone was produced in any other country, that country would have to deal with export regulations just like Germany. What do you guys want? That the Wassenaar treaty was never signed?

Like the US most countries has its declarations like that. It has nothing to do with GSM phones. BTW: Do you recognize any similarities between what Germany and what the US views as "evil"?

Pim Fortuyn was a politician who was shot by a lunatic. He didn't make it, Styl. So what are you talking about?

You know what is interesting? I can see the number of posts in this thread increasing, but I cannot view my posts.

OK. Let's try again. I tried to post here, but the message board was a bit confused. Let's hope my answer doesn't turn up for the third time.

Several countries, including Germany, signed export agreements. One of those was called the Wassenaar Agreement (I think). Treaties like these are used for export regulations and restrictions. You'll also notice that countries which Germany declared "evil" are also the ones that the US doesn't like very much. Because the product was munufactured in Germany that country is responsible for dealing with those regulations. If the product was made in the US then the US was responsible for that and the US would regulate the export of that device. There is nothing strange about it.

Styl: Pim Fortuyn was shot by a lunatic. With all respect, but Pim has little to do with it.

And about our past. Is this your romantic view of our past? http://sahistory.org.za/pages/specialprojects/voc/voc.htm

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"March 20, 1602" well, that isn't too long ago

That's exactly my point.

don't ever say "cannot" when dealing with security

because someone will make a fool out of you.