Creation vs. Evolution
To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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| One thing that people forget it seems is that Human Beings are after all nothing more than animals. |
It's not a matter of opinion, Kona, humains are animals. You could still have faith and admit the reality. You could say for example that God made humans the highest of all animals (although I don't agree with that, we are different, but no animal is "highest" than another).
But yes, Kona you are right though. The difference between plant and animal cells is basically that plant cells have cell walls and chlorophile while animal cells don't. But bacterias are not animal or plant because they don't have a nucleus. Also mushrooms have cell walls but no chlorophille. Anyway, there are indeed a few exception cases like that, but they are very uncommon. Humains are most definalely animals.
But indeed because of those few exception, another classification is now used in scince. We don't speak of animal/plant any more but of those 3:
- Eubacteria
- Archas-bacteria
- Eucaryotes (in turn divided in four: protista, fungi, animal, plant)
Bakerstreet, I'm not sure I get your point.
Surely you are not suggesting that evolutionism equals social darwinism. As you probably know, Darwinism is a European doctrine that justified colonialism in the 19th century. European governments (mainly England and France) took Darwin's theory and tried to apply it in a social context: survival of the fittest means that Europeans are more evolved and therefore are perfectly entitled of ruling over the inferior Africans (and other inferior ethnics).
No, Bakerstreet. I do believe in evolution. And I do believe that humains follow rules and morals that they set. That's what living in society means. I do not believe in good and evil, but I do believe in right or wrong. "Wrong" means that the society I live in doesn't judge acceptable a certain behavior. Of course, the same behavior could be "right" in a different culture or a different time in history.
Your example of War or Capital Punishment is the perfect example proving that point. Killing is wrong. But it's right in certain circumstances. Of course, I don't agree with it, but that's what makes society's rules: its people's own specific values.


| #282 by Kona0197 - 9/16/2003 8:14:42 AM Comes down to faith. I believe God created us in his Image and he gave us dominion over every other lifeform and animal on the face of the earth. |
hmmm...I have to disagree with with that. Why would that be? And how can we not be an animal? It seems like only an animal would eat another animal. If we are so superior, why do we still do that? Why do we have to believe that we have to be superior to all the animals instead of peacefully co-existing with them (or admit that we are animals just like all the rest?)? I have watched how animals interact with each other too many times to believe that we are really that advanced from them. I don't believe that they way we act shows that we are superior to anything. All it shows to me is that we are egotistical and destructive. That is not to say that I don't believe that I also have some of this behavior, I am just stating that the only reason that anyone would want to think that we are not animals is to justify their actions toward other animals.
This is my thought on the whole "God" thing- God created mankind and stuck us on this Earth. Everything that is needed by man is on the Earth. There are diseases, but there is something on the Earth that will cure the disease. The game is to see how long it takes before man kills itself off by destroying everything on Earth that would have cured the diseases. We think we know everything, but in truth, we know so very little.
I'm not going with blind faith about anything. My plan is to live as wholesome of a life as possible and see how it turns out in the end. I really doubt that going to church is what will appease this "god", and I doubt that there is any one belief that is correct.
Bakerstreet, I still fail to understand your logic. So in your opinion, people who don't believe in God have no morals?
Morals, values are aquired. They are taught by parents, friends, school, and in this day and age, by the media as well. But the strongest values are learned at a very early age by the parents. Those values can be based on religion, sure, but it can also simply be based simply on "tradition". Parents transmit to their children the values they themselves have been taught. Again, religion can come into account, but is not required. As a matter of fact, religion is simply one of those values transmitted as well.
But, I'll return the argument the other way around. How can religious people think that there is a Universal Good and Evil set forth by God? If it's the case, God changes his mind quite often, IMO. In the days of Jesus, adultery was a sin (ie: Evil) and punishable by death through lapidation (well, only for the girl, the involved man just got frown or two). That was the Law of God. Not quite the case now.
Less than 100 years ago, dancing was a sin (evil). Having pleasure in the sexual act was a sin; procreation was a duty, but enjoying it was a sin. Birth control is still a sin for the Catholic Church (including the condom).
I could go on and on. And I'm not even talking about the inconsistancies with the other Gods' laws. This is all the same God who's laws have changed over the centuries. How can somebody who believes in God and in his perfection, still believe that our morals, our values, our concept of Good and Evil, comes from Him?
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