Various observations and opinions on 0.75

I haven't read the other posts, so if repeats of issues already reported are bothersome, ignore this post.

- Haitan's Summons quest: "...worked to well..." should have another 'o'.

- When a saved game is restored the movement bonus from a compass is lost (similar to problems with E:WoM). Suspect this may be coupled to it being equipable and/or army wide, i.e. items are "equiped" when a game is loaded, which causes its bonus to be a "potential" one active from the following round onwards only. Should be possible to fix by storing the actual moves left in the save w/o checking on restore that it is "legal" (or by shifting the check to after the "equipment"). E:WoM also had a similar problem with units in cities in that they lost their bonuses on entry. Haven't checked that with FE.

- I'd like to see the Trade/Shop form merged with the Equip form through a third button in the top (beside the Trade & Shop buttons). When I get a new item I want to first look at it and then decide who should get it in my army.

- Prisoner quest: I haven't received any pioneers (or anything else) when the game claims to have added them to my army. All army slots were filled. The pioneer ough to show up as a separate army in the same location in that case.

- Sometimes selecting a treaty on my side of the form doesn't do anything, while the treaty is brought up on the table when selected from the other party's side. Problem inherited from E:WoM.

- Exploration quests (scrap yard, etc): Give a clear indication of what the quest is about. Scrap Yard was triggered by an auto moving caravan on turn transition, so I had absolutely no idea what it was about.

- Umberdroth quest: I have no idea how to finish this quest. Returning to the inn with food (after talking to the fleeing man) does nothing. At some time before getting the food my army passed into an abandoned town which subsequently disappeared from the map, but I have a quest icon again.

- Quest icons: When pressed they ought to show where the next step of the quest is located, i.e. basically repeating the information given when the preceeding step of the quest was performed (except for the umberdroth one...).

- Quest icons: Seems to come and go. E.g. scrap yard disappeared fairly quickly after having been received.

- A way to see which terrain can be settled without having a settler (to determine whether/where to produce one). Also, the hovering over a pioneer's settler button ought to show the bonuses of tiles previously visited as well as those currently seen. If there are mechanisms that change these values which currently are unknown by the player the latest known values ought to be displayed.

- When I attacked Csilla the hero it blocked the game by casting Mass Curse and nothing more happened. It was, however, possible to get out of the situation by pressing Auto Resolve (but Auto Play didn't do anything but change state).

- After a battle focus changes to the next army even though the attacking army has moves left. Inherited from E:WoM.

- When creating a Settlement from a Pioneer the focus frequently shifts to the next unit, rather than to the newly created settlement (as you generally want to produce something in the settlement).

- When entering a settlement I would prefer to have the settlement selected rather than the next army, since I frequently want to continue to move the army out of the settlement on the other side.

- Wild improvements should not be added to the settlement build queue when adjacent to a settlement but produced in parallel when separated from the settlement. This leads to a punishment of sensible settlement management and instead rewards odd constructs where you hold off incorporating the improvement in the city until it's finished. Inherited from E:WoM.

- Salted Pork claimed to heal 8 HP, but gave only 4.

- There is a need to unhide troop designs. I accidentally hid the pioneer, and since there is no pioneer's pack anymore that led to the total loss of the pioneer ability, in practice forcing a return to the latest save.

- I've seen odd messages about 1 unit deserted to <settlement>, but have no idea what this means, as no units show up i said settlement.

- The army list along the left side of the screen ought to indicate both which the currently selected item is (especially for generic armies such as pioneers), and whether they have any moves left (I think moves were indicated in E:WoM).

- Rather than showing borders to all opponents which are not at war with me as yellow, I'd like to see a distinction between those with a non aggression treaty and those with a treaty. Especially early on it's hard to know who is located where, since all you see is a part of the border, but nothing to indicate who the owner is, and it might be the other party who contacted me rather than the other way around.

- At least once I've seen that the unit list was filled with established caravans when restoring a game.

- The Maul attack weapon ability is brutally overpowered, especially given that the True Strike etc. hero abilities have been toned downed. In the scrap yard a hero has repeatedly killed the largest kind of scrap golem in a single attack through some 12 or so hits (although this was necessary for me to be able to clear out the scrap yard; otherwise I'd have needed to send in several full armies to whittle down the stacks).

- I've encountered occasional locations (lairs, etc.) that don't yield anything and don't say anything, but that disappear after my visit. If it's intentional that you might find nothing, I'd suggest a message saying you've looked through the X and found nothing of value.

- I've encountered a dud inn, i.e. an inn I haven't visited before that doesn't react to my entry (the same as when returning to an inn while its quest is still active). The quest might have been given to an opponent, but if that is intentional there ought to be a message saying there doesn't seem to be any quest of interest in the inn. (E:WoM has a similar problem in that huts etc. becomes permanently disabled [but visible] if visited while a quest of the same kind is currently active)

- Hitting the edge of the screen does not scroll the map, so view relocation will have to be done either by clicking in the mini map (quite inaccurate due to its scale), or by zooming in and out while changing the center position.

- A number of times events have caused the research to be empty (not quite sure how it happens, but think it can be connected to save game restores and/or city growth, enemy attacks during the end of turn, or finished city production). Anyway, I'd recommend a clear "you're not researching anything" indication either similar to the one received in turn 2, if nothing selected in turn one, on each new turn w/o research, or an icon similar to the quest icon.

- It seems basic magic path abilities are not offered on hero level up. If that is correct and intentional the Mage Path should not be made available to heroes who don't have any path available. It would also be a very serious restriction on a main character that isn't created with all schools, and in that case additional levels in a path should not cost more than a basic level on character creation.

- It would be good if the character creation spelled out that starting with various hero abilities corresponds to starting with the corresponding reseach results being known (naming the research).

- At one time my army entered a library and I received a message that important knowledge had been found, but my hero had received no scroll or other new item. At a later time I found that researching Mounted Warfare had reduced in price to two turns (from 10 or so). If the price reduction was due to the library find the text ought to have said the knowledge was related to the topic of mounted warfare.

- A number of crashes have been seen, but nothing that is reliably repeatable.

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The Full Beta option on Stardock Store My Products Page only downloads 0.75.  That link doesn't change.  To get the most up-to-date version of FE Beta, log back into Stardock Store and download the "Beta Update" and run it.  This will update your version to 0.77.  0.78 is due next Thursday, with lots of changes from 0.77.

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I mistook the version number as 0.74 originally, then edited the post as soon as I detected the error to state the correct number as 0.75.

Until I was due to write the post I was unaware that there had been patches, as I'd expected Impulse to detect them, but all of this beta handling seems to be separated from Impulse.

 

Anyway, here are some 0.77 observations as of today, Note that I've continued from a 0.75 save game (the change log didn't say anything about [non]compatibility, and there wasn't any answer to the question (at the time)):

- This version seems to be less stable than 0.75. I frequently suffer crashes (program ceases to respond and the program has to be terminated by Windows). This happens as I end a turn and there is a city growth and/or research finished message, but it is not consistent. As I now save at the end of every turn I then restart and this has worked every time thus far. Also note that sometimes these messages appear successfully. A couple of times I've seen odd graphics issues in conjunction with this, i.e. the research tree displayed normally after pressing the key to bring it up, and shortly thereafter it was overlayed with a giant version of it (i.e. a much lower resolution) before the crash.

- Movement allotment issues are worse in this version. For some reason one of my armies (consisting only of heroes) got its movement speed increased from 4 to 6 as a result of the version change, but now a restore of a saved game shows 0/2 movement for the stack (it previously showed 0/4). The next turn I start with 4/4, and the turns thereafter shows 6/6. One hero has a compass, all of them have horses, and all of them have the 1 extra movement point feat.

- There is now an odd issue with the event list at the right side of the screen on a new turn. The backgrounds for the messages are higher than they used to be, and as they are removed the ones at a bottom remain as ghost images. It might be a matter of a font change that hasn't taken effect properly (I haven't restarted the computer after installing 0.77).

- The description of Cloak of Darkness says "dissapear", whereas I would write "disappear".

- The research window ought to be higher, as you cannot see all the alternatives at the same level at the same time. An alternative would be to use a vertical scroll bar. The work around to click on an alternative close to the edge is a poor work around.

- I've noticed that the non-scrollability of the map has been fixed in 0.77.

- Maul is still hugely mismatched with the ability alternatives. I've had 6 consecutive hits (then the troll died) thus far. Compare this with Double Strike that has a cool off period in addition to a -4 penalty to both strikes.

- A problem common with E:WoM: It is quite easy to end up ordering troops to go somewhere else than intended when close to elevated features (especially mountains) in the normal map mod, as the click is interpreted as being on the close side of the mountain rather than at the tile actually clicked on. This can be worked around by using the cloth map mode, but it's rather annoying. It seems as if the click detection works with elevated features that are somewhat higher than the visible representation.

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Quoting JPRL, reply 2
- A problem common with E:WoM: It is quite easy to end up ordering troops to go somewhere else than intended when close to elevated features (especially mountains) in the normal map mod, as the click is interpreted as being on the close side of the mountain rather than at the tile actually clicked on. This can be worked around by using the cloth map mode, but it's rather annoying. It seems as if the click detection works with elevated features that are somewhat higher than the visible representation.
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good list of issues in general, but I will say this in particular is annoying. As are armies and units that 'disappear' on the far side of mountains, so that you would need to scroll the strategic map until they're at the bottom to see them.

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Most of his list is valid for 0.77 as well.

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Quoting JPRL, reply 2

- This version seems to be less stable than 0.75. I frequently suffer crashes (program ceases to respond and the program has to be terminated by Windows). This happens as I end a turn and there is a city growth and/or research finished message, but it is not consistent. As I now save at the end of every turn I then restart and this has worked every time thus far. Also note that sometimes these messages appear successfully. A couple of times I've seen odd graphics issues in conjunction with this, i.e. the research tree displayed normally after pressing the key to bring it up, and shortly thereafter it was overlayed with a giant version of it (i.e. a much lower resolution) before the crash.
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I would think using saved games from older versions are causing most of your problems.

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Quoting slik, reply 5

Quoting JPRL, reply 2
- This version seems to be less stable than 0.75. I frequently suffer crashes (program ceases to respond and the program has to be terminated by Windows). This happens as I end a turn and there is a city growth and/or research finished message, but it is not consistent. As I now save at the end of every turn I then restart and this has worked every time thus far. Also note that sometimes these messages appear successfully. A couple of times I've seen odd graphics issues in conjunction with this, i.e. the research tree displayed normally after pressing the key to bring it up, and shortly thereafter it was overlayed with a giant version of it (i.e. a much lower resolution) before the crash.


I would think using saved games from older versions are causing most of your problems.
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I concur, rebooting is always a good idea, and if there were balance changes, you ar emore likely to feel them from a new game as well.