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Vaccine To Autism Was A Fraud

Vaccine To Autism Was A Fraud

Surprised?

I remember debating this subject some time back and getting into quite a heated debate about it with a running club member.  One of the members of my club posted a public comment on our forum urging parents NOT to vaccinate their children.  Of course I had to step in and give my two cents worth at the time.  Now with this latest news I do feel vindicated.  Of course, now I've moved and am not a member of that club anymore. 

Some people were insisting back then that vaccines could cause autism when, in fact, it wasn't that clear cut.  Their "research" was very sketchy.  Some of the people behind the debate, pushing the contention, were not even legitimate physicans or medical researchers.  I remember one of the most vocal guys behind this, his name escapes me now, even had his medical license suspended for an unrelated reason. 

 Just goes to show that the truth will eventually come out even if it takes a while to do so.   Here's the latest: 

The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.

The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.

A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.

The analysis, by British journalist Brian Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.

Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like Jenny McCarthy.

Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.

In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study "an elaborate fraud." They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.

But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.

 

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Reply #51 Top

There's no arguing with people who believe this stuff. I'm not sure what "medical science" you're talking about, because I don't know any scientist who believe in this. There is no credible report of a relationship between vaccines and autism in the scientific literature. The only paper that described such a link turned out to be a fraud and got a lot of publicity when it was retracted this summer.

 

My son also sent this:

This article describes pretty well what the scientific/medical community thinks of the anti-vaccine people: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22003097

 

I pulled this out about the "vaccine critics":  ...developed an alternate world of internally legitimating studies, blogs, conferences, publications, and spokespeople to affirm a connection. 

 

 

Reply #52 Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 50
I think it's wise to be concerned about these things and not cast them off as "conspiracy theories". The fellow who cuts our lawn has a son who is suffering from autism.  He said his son was as normal as could be up until he got multiple vaccination shots. He rues that day. 
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Quoting KFC, reply 51
I pulled this out about the "vaccine critics":  ...developed an alternate world of internally legitimating studies, blogs, conferences, publications, and spokespeople to affirm a connection. 
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As I said, my lawn guy would be one of those "vaccine critics" who affirms a connection. Unfortunately, he's not the only parent who's child was born normal in every way until after having these vaccines...and then was diagnosed with autism. 

 

 

Reply #53 Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 52
Unfortunately, he's not the only parent who's child was born normal in every way until after having these vaccines...and then was diagnosed with autism.
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You can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts.  There is no, repeat NO, relationship between any vaccine, or any combination of vaccines, and autism.

Reply #54 Top

exactly Daiwa.  Well said.  

Lula, this is just another running on emotion, heresay, opinion and scare tactics.  When all is said and done, there are no facts to substantiate their claims.   We need more than just your "lawn guy" believing it to be true.  

I know many people who believe a lot of things to be true.  I hear stuff all the time and just shake my head at all the "beliefs" out there.  They're sincere, but in the end, sincerely wrong.   Today, everything is based on feeling, not facts.  It's the new modern way, don't ya know?   

In the end, as always, truth always rises to the top.  So, if you're right and the medical/scientific experts are wrong it will surface.  But right now no connection can be found.   So now you have a choice to believe your "lawn guy" or those who have tested the crap out of this issue and cannot find any link.  

Feeling or fact?  Which will you go on?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #55 Top

Quoting Daiwa, reply 53
You can have your own opinion but you can't have your own facts.  There is no, repeat NO, relationship between any vaccine, or any combination of vaccines, and autism.
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Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 48
But last week a PRNewswire release reported that the Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs, or CoMeD, exposed a federal cover-up between the CDC and vaccine researchers. Despite that the CDC possessed a 2002 communication that revealed a causal relationship between the removal of thimerosal from vaccines and a decline in autism rates, the CDC published a 2003 cornerstone article in Pediatrics that ignored the Danish data and misled the medical community and public by insinuating that thimerosal in vaccines does not increase the risks of autism.
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"...Exposed a federal coverup.." Opinion or fact? That's why I agree,  Buyer Beware. 

"...CDC possessed a 2002 communication that revealed a casual relationship between the removal of thimerosal from vaccines and a decline in autism rates"   Opinion or fact? That's why I agree,  Buyer Beware. 

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 48
The deliberate avoidance and falsification of scientific medical data to support CDC bias is heinous enough, but the fact that such information is manipulated to practice medicine on our nation's children is monstrous malpractice and even premeditated malevolence.
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 "...Such info is manipulated.." Opinion or fact? That's why I agree,  Buyer Beware. 

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 48
But do we really want to swap the flu bug for thimerosal? And isn't "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention" a total misnomer when it allows "trace amounts of thimerosal" in our children's soup of medicines? Are we really going to allow our children to be mercury-laced vaccinated guinea pigs? At the very least, shouldn't we avoid all thimerosal-containing products solely because of precautionary measures?
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IMHO, the answer to the first question is no. So buyer beware.

Re: Last question...We'll just have to agree to disagree. 

Quoting KFC, reply 51
There is no credible report of a relationship between vaccines and autism in the scientific literature. The only paper that described such a link turned out to be a fraud and got a lot of publicity when it was retracted this summer.

 
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Quoting KFC, reply 54
this is just another running on emotion, heresay, opinion and scare tactics.
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Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 48
the CDC published a 2003 cornerstone article in Pediatrics that ignored the Danish data and misled the medical community and public by insinuating that thimerosal in vaccines does not increase the risks of autism.
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Yet, this latest news article on the topic has it that:

 

.."the Coalition for Mercury Free Drugs exposed a federal cover-up between the CDC and vaccine researchers..."   Fact of opinion? Running on emotion? Heresay? Scare tactics? 

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

 

Quoting KFC, reply 54
But right now no connection can be found.   So now you have a choice to believe your "lawn guy" or those who have tested the crap out of this issue and cannot find any link.  
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This latest news article indicates the Danes found the link (data) but there was a federal cover-up.

It's not about me being right or feelings. It's truly about let the buyer beware before they bring their child in for these vaccines.  

 

Reply #56 Top

and what would be the motive for a federal cover-up?  It's just another conspiracy theory out there.  

Would you like to see all these diseases come back that we've all but eradicated?  You want to see whooping cough/TB/measles... etc make a comeback?   Do you not know how sick children were BEFORE these vaccines came on the scene?  

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 55
It's truly about let the buyer beware before they bring their child in for these vaccines.  
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and this I will agree with.  We should always do our HW before taking anybody's word for granted but not limited to just our physical well being..  if you get my drift!  :) 

It's funny people wouldn't go to Jack Korvorkian as a family doctor, or to Bernie Madoff as a financial adviser, but yet they give no thought really, to who they trust their spiritual lives to swallowing everything, hook, line and sinker.