Catch me up

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Hello,

I quit playing Demigod a bit before the new heroes and replays were out.

Fill me in on what I've been missing.

How are the new heroes?  What are they good/bad at? 

Are heroes balanced well now?  When I quit most heroes except Rook and TB were considered OP:P

Any new items?

Are favor points done sensibly now?

How are replays going?  Do we need to save locally after each game or are they hosted automatically for us online?  Is there a web site where people share great replays?  Is the replay editor nice (can easily switch between people and see watch their POV throughout the game, can skip around inside replays, etc.)

Can we mod this yet?  New maps, heroes, etc.?

Can we have more than two teams yet?  Always wanted 3-4 player FFA or 2vs2vs2 or something.

Skirmish and Pantheon.  I remember one was folded into the other.  Are they still alive or are we subsiding on only custom games now?

Whatever else.

 

Your pal,
sly

demigod
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Reply #1 from Demigod Forums Top

The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful

Oculus is pretty good because of all his burst damage, he only has one good build, 3/4 of his skills are either broken or useless.

There have been no balance patches in over a year to my knowledge Erb/Oak/UB are still in every game

The community completely died after SC2 came out.

You're pretty much caught up :p 

Reply #2 from Demigod Forums Top

How unfortunate.

Cheers then.

Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
Reply #3 from Demigod Forums Top

The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful
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really disagree there. 

Reply #4 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 3

The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful


really disagree there. 
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I would also have to disagree, DA is exceptional at ganks, finishing a gank, and generally being a creep.

He can beat nearly any DG in a 1v1 after level 15 with the proper move set and item set.

Oculus is a great character the entire game but some of his skills are bugged and never will be fixed. This allows for very few deviations in build orders. His auto attack is also bugged.

Reply #5 from Demigod Forums Top

Can TB fire mode fire while moving now?

Reply #6 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Sly_Squash, reply 5
Can TB fire mode fire while moving now?
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yup - that is fixed. 

Reply #7 from Demigod Forums Top

His abilities all cost double what they should, except shadow swap, which is reasonable.

Like QoT, he has no ability to sustain his abilities in a fight. UB or Erb can do what DA can, but better. They're more survivable, and they have stuns and slows, making them as good if not better than DA. Although shadow swap is really nasty... stuns and slows are more lethal. In a 3v3 fight over the health flag.. you can't say you'd rather have DA than UB, Erebus, or Oak.

 

He's decent once he gets shadow swap III and some gear, but by then you'll probably be behind because you won't be holding lanes, and DA can't kill giants worth crap.

Reply #8 from Demigod Forums Top

Like QoT, he has no ability to sustain his abilities in a fight.
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Why should he have to?  The point of the character is ganking, not slugging it out for 20 minutes.  I certainly don't think he's better than UB or Erb, but he's a good character. 

Reply #9 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 8

Like QoT, he has no ability to sustain his abilities in a fight.
Why should he have to?  The point of the character is ganking, not slugging it out for 20 minutes.  I certainly don't think he's better than UB or Erb, but he's a good character. 
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Do you think Erebus is a better character then Oak pacov?

Reply #10 from Demigod Forums Top

Do you think Erebus is a better character then Oak pacov?
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hmmm.... somewhat debatable, but I'd say oak over erb. 

Reply #11 from Demigod Forums Top

QoT definitely has the ability to sustain her abilities in a fight.  against sedna get 3 helms and win every time (mentioning sedna specifically because she's the one who can stay in lane for a very long time midgame and not get pushed out 1v1).  But I can understand if you're trying to do the 0-1 helm DA or QoT and finding mana to be an issue.

Reply #12 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_ZEX, reply 4

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 3
The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful


really disagree there. 

I would also have to disagree, DA is exceptional at ganks, finishing a gank, and generally being a creep.

He can beat nearly any DG in a 1v1 after level 15 with the proper move set and item set.

Oculus is a great character the entire game but some of his skills are bugged and never will be fixed. This allows for very few deviations in build orders. His auto attack is also bugged.
End of OMG_ZEX's quote

 

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 xD name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da :D

 

I think the skill just dropped a lot since everyone left, that you think da is good as a sudden :P

Reply #13 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-Zen_God, reply 12



Quoting OMG_ZEX,
reply 4

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 3
The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful


really disagree there. 

I would also have to disagree, DA is exceptional at ganks, finishing a gank, and generally being a creep.

He can beat nearly any DG in a 1v1 after level 15 with the proper move set and item set.

Oculus is a great character the entire game but some of his skills are bugged and never will be fixed. This allows for very few deviations in build orders. His auto attack is also bugged.


 

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da

 

I think the skill just dropped a lot since everyone left, that you think da is good as a sudden
End of GM-Zen_God's quote

Let me get to level 15 with DA Zen_god. Ill make you cry.

Reply #14 from Demigod Forums Top

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da
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I think you don't consider matches where its not ub, oak erb, zen.  Try that for moment and see if you think more... I believe you don't play much anymore, yes?  

I find my fire tb is more than adequate even against the current players of oak, ub, erb (or rook ub erb... or whatever)... so, it is true that competition has died a little bit, but frankly, 3 man teams where players have to pick the same crap over and over is boring.  In a true high level game, I would never use da.  Nor would I use reg... probably not occ... and so on.  But in a game where you don't pick the top 3 or 4, everything is optional and da is quite strong.  Its just not reasonable to compare him to erb/oak/ub.  He's not as good as them, but he serves his own purpose.  To say he is crap is idiotic.  He's just not as good as the few i mentioned.  He's an excellent counter to most dgs on a competent team.  But again - note I said I won't use him in a top level game... same as you and I wouldn't pick reg, prob not qot, etc. 

Reply #15 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 14

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da


I think you don't consider matches where its not ub, oak erb, zen.  Try that for moment and see if you think more... I believe you don't play much anymore, yes?  

I find my fire tb is more than adequate even against the current players of oak, ub, erb (or rook ub erb... or whatever)... so, it is true that competition has died a little bit, but frankly, 3 man teams where players have to pick the same crap over and over is boring.  In a true high level game, I would never use da.  Nor would I use reg... probably not occ... and so on.  But in a game where you don't pick the top 3 or 4, everything is optional and da is quite strong.  Its just not reasonable to compare him to erb/oak/ub.  He's not as good as them, but he serves his own purpose.  To say he is crap is idiotic.  He's just not as good as the few i mentioned.  He's an excellent counter to most dgs on a competent team.  But again - note I said I won't use him in a top level game... same as you and I wouldn't pick reg, prob not qot, etc. 
End of OMG_pacov's quote

Had a very high level game against GM a while back probably in may or april were I random'd a DA

My team was Ereb, Oak, Da and theirs was ereb, oak, sedna

My team had more kills but lacked flag control and we lost due to being behind I think 4 warscore.

Every encounter resulted in multiple deaths almost always split amongst the two teams and it always ended with the GM team retaining flag control because Oak, Sedna, Erebus rarely have to shop even after a huge fight.

DA is viable in high level games but the team and the DA player have to play nearly perfect.

 

Reply #16 from Demigod Forums Top

DA is viable in high level games but the team and the DA player have to play nearly perfect.
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Exactly - but high level play means you have to play pretty close to perfect anyway (else its high vs mids)

Reply #18 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_ZEX, reply 17
actually found the game LOL

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1367231/player/11082/
End of OMG_ZEX's quote

you lost :P

Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 14

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da
I think you don't consider matches where its not ub, oak erb, zen.  Try that for moment and see if you think more... I believe you don't play much anymore, yes?  

I find my fire tb is more than adequate even against the current players of oak, ub, erb (or rook ub erb... or whatever)... so, it is true that competition has died a little bit, but frankly, 3 man teams where players have to pick the same crap over and over is boring.  In a true high level game, I would never use da.  Nor would I use reg... probably not occ... and so on.  But in a game where you don't pick the top 3 or 4, everything is optional and da is quite strong.  Its just not reasonable to compare him to erb/oak/ub.  He's not as good as them, but he serves his own purpose.  To say he is crap is idiotic.  He's just not as good as the few i mentioned.  He's an excellent counter to most dgs on a competent team.  But again - note I said I won't use him in a top level game... same as you and I wouldn't pick reg, prob not qot, etc. 
End of OMG_pacov's quote

well it looked like you guys were comparing him to the tier1 guys in your posts and would consider him viable in high level games.Your right i don't play anymore, but unless there is some kind of ground breaking patch i believe i discovered every dirty little secret in this game xD

DA hmm, can't control flags, has no hp, aa damage just sad, can't kill towers, cannot really stun, very hard to escape unless enemy units nearby, and most of all tiny and ugly :D Unless your enemy is not a top tier player, you'll never gonna swap kill someone.

Reply #19 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-Zen_God, reply 18



Quoting OMG_ZEX,
reply 17
actually found the game LOL

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1367231/player/11082/


you lost




Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 14

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da
I think you don't consider matches where its not ub, oak erb, zen.  Try that for moment and see if you think more... I believe you don't play much anymore, yes?  

I find my fire tb is more than adequate even against the current players of oak, ub, erb (or rook ub erb... or whatever)... so, it is true that competition has died a little bit, but frankly, 3 man teams where players have to pick the same crap over and over is boring.  In a true high level game, I would never use da.  Nor would I use reg... probably not occ... and so on.  But in a game where you don't pick the top 3 or 4, everything is optional and da is quite strong.  Its just not reasonable to compare him to erb/oak/ub.  He's not as good as them, but he serves his own purpose.  To say he is crap is idiotic.  He's just not as good as the few i mentioned.  He's an excellent counter to most dgs on a competent team.  But again - note I said I won't use him in a top level game... same as you and I wouldn't pick reg, prob not qot, etc. 


well it looked like you guys were comparing him to the tier1 guys in your posts and would consider him viable in high level games.Your right i don't play anymore, but unless there is some kind of ground breaking patch i believe i discovered every dirty little secret in this game

DA hmm, can't control flags, has no hp, aa damage just sad, can't kill towers, cannot really stun, very hard to escape unless enemy units nearby, and most of all tiny and ugly Unless your enemy is not a top tier player, you'll never gonna swap kill someone.
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Than why did I have like 7-8 kills in that posted game Zen_God? DA's biggest problem is not being able to hold flags when he solos a lane at low levels. Thats where the loss came from in the game a I showed. This alone makes him worse than the top 3 characters at high level games but he is competitive at high level games as I have shown.

Generally if you pick anything besides rook, ub, oak, sed, erebus against any combination of those 3 you are giving yourself a handy cap. ALTHOUGH there are those weird combo's that sort of work in 2v2's like Fire TB and UB that can still take on an ereb, oak or UB, ereb etc.....

Reply #20 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting OMG_ZEX, reply 19




Than why did I have like 7-8 kills in that posted game Zen_God? DA's biggest problem is not being able to hold flags when he solos a lane at low levels. Thats where the loss came from in the game a I showed. This alone makes him worse than the top 3 characters at high level games but he is competitive at high level games as I have shown.

Generally if you pick anything besides rook, ub, oak, sed, erebus against any combination of those 3 you are giving yourself a handy cap. ALTHOUGH there are those weird combo's that sort of work in 2v2's like Fire TB and UB that can still take on an ereb, oak or UB, ereb etc.....
End of OMG_ZEX's quote

 

I have to see the replay and I tell ya :D

Reply #21 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-Zen_God, reply 20



Quoting OMG_ZEX,
reply 19




Than why did I have like 7-8 kills in that posted game Zen_God? DA's biggest problem is not being able to hold flags when he solos a lane at low levels. Thats where the loss came from in the game a I showed. This alone makes him worse than the top 3 characters at high level games but he is competitive at high level games as I have shown.

Generally if you pick anything besides rook, ub, oak, sed, erebus against any combination of those 3 you are giving yourself a handy cap. ALTHOUGH there are those weird combo's that sort of work in 2v2's like Fire TB and UB that can still take on an ereb, oak or UB, ereb etc.....


 

I have to see the replay and I tell ya
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hmmmm wonder If I have it some where? Ill look around

EDIT: I don't have it, there is a cute little gap in my saved replays between the 3rd and 5th of May. That game was played on the 4th...... Sigh.....

Reply #22 from Demigod Forums Top

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da
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I heard this game was specifically balanced around 1v1, c/d?  

 

Reply #23 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting 4Nana, reply 22


have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da


I heard this game was specifically balanced around 1v1, c/d?  

 
End of 4Nana's quote

LOL

Reply #24 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting GM-Zen_God, reply 12

Quoting OMG_ZEX, reply 4
Quoting OMG_pacov, reply 3
The Demon Assassin is worthless - worst DG in the game, only shadow swap makes him somewhat useful


really disagree there. 

I would also have to disagree, DA is exceptional at ganks, finishing a gank, and generally being a creep.

He can beat nearly any DG in a 1v1 after level 15 with the proper move set and item set.

Oculus is a great character the entire game but some of his skills are bugged and never will be fixed. This allows for very few deviations in build orders. His auto attack is also bugged.
 

have you guys gone mad? DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da

 

I think the skill just dropped a lot since everyone left, that you think da is good as a sudden
End of GM-Zen_God's quote

 

4nana i did not come up with this out of the air, people started to  claim that da can beat any other demigod in a 1on1 situation

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

4nana i did not come up with this out of the air, people started to claim that da can beat any other demigod in a 1on1 situation
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who said that... not me... ah - was cow i think. 

He can beat nearly any DG in a 1v1 after level 15 with the proper move set and item set.
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Plus that statement is way too generic - proper move/item set.  Anyway, my only argument is that:

DA is total nonsense crap, and can at the most beat himself in a 1on1 name me one good game where da beats another decent player who is not da
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is also a generic statement.  He's a useful character but you generally can't play as him in a high level game unless someone else has chosen a weaker dg.  And he is pretty strong at level 15 for damage, but his shines the most on a coordinated team and for ganks.  He and erb are easily the best in the game for ganks, imo - erb is just much more survivable if you screw something up.  Its all just generic blahblahblah, though.  He's a useful character, imo, and a good addition to the game.