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Join Date 05/2009

Frogboy, Please boost bramble shield in later levels.

allow compost to help bramble

Qot is a wonderful demigod till level 10. You can hold flags and win war score. Also you can outlevel all but tb, and collect a frack load of gold. However, she becomes a pretty lame assas style, a useless support style, and a weak seiger when the demigods are level 10ish.

I know many people want many things for QoT. Uproot is useless, compost is one too many skills for shamblers and the like. So what i was thinking is move the bonus for shamblers to Moral and make compost help bramble shield.

WHY COMPOST SHOULD HELP BRAMBLE SHIELD.

Firstly, i think compost should add duration and strenght to the shield.

Compost (i think the compost levels should be spaced out a bit more for this)

lvl1- 5 sec duration increase, 200 damage absorbtion increase

lvl2- 10 sec increase - 450 damage

lvl 3 - 15 increase, 700 damage

1)Well, compost and bramble shield just sound like they should go together. Atleast the names make sense.

3) 200 hp absorption will not make sheild overpowered in the beginning of game, but will add alot to shield late game. making it actually useful. Adding duration will allow for more shields to be cast. they seldom run out of time late game so duration shouldnt be over powered.

2) Compost does not arrive till level 5. Sheild lvl 2 can be bought (with mana increase) or compost can be bought (increase in duration and damage abs). I like having this skill suck up more points, stealing points away from aoe attacks. making her support a possible single minded build.

Anywho, i would like to know what everyone thinks. Some may say this will overpower shield, but as any QoT knows, late game that shield aint doing nothing at all. It needs a boost one way or another.

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While you are at it, frogboy, could you rebalance the Ultralisk in starcraft, it doesn't do enough damage.

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This is another great example of people not reading forums...

You're aware frogboy didn't make the game right? And there is a difference between publisher and developer....

That aside, QoT has enough other skills to make her more than viable later in the game, just needs playing properly.

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Imho Uproot is pointless (just like Sedna's Yetis) which in turn also makes Compost pointless. I can also absolutely confirm that after enemy damage dealing Demigods reach level 15, Shields won't make much difference. That's why your idea is rather good, because it would improve Shields, but not overpower them in the beginning.

Morale is the same for each Demigod, which means that for example +50 minion health is much better for Erebus or Oak due to their high number of minions: 12(spirits) x 50 = 600 health increase overall; 4(shamblers) x 50 = 200 health increase overall. The skill is actually 3 times better for Oak than for QoT. Perhaps this can be improved somehow.

Sadly, the more I play against experienced teams the more I see the shortcomings of playing QoT. Let's hope v1.2 will improve her playability.

Phirochu, I just looked up your game history. Please try playing a Queen with Uproot or Compost or Shamblers just once, then report back here. Till then your remarks are completely valueless.

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Quoting Phirochu,

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That aside, QoT has enough other skills to make her more than viable later in the game, just needs playing properly.

Right, because no one knows how to play her properly. That must be why she is the lowest played DG in the game. I think QoT is about the only DG that you sit there and scratch your head about what to put points into because most of the lines suck.

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i think it shouldnt be tied with compost. its should just be buffed at later levels.

eg. Bramble shield III - (what it is now) + when bramble shield ends, nearby allies are healed for 200 health.
Bramble shield IV - (what it is now) + when bramble shield ends, nearby allies are healed for 400 health.

also, i think compost should change to something like...

compost I,II,III - (wat it does now) + corpses now heal you for X% of their max health. OR when compost is in effect, you are now able to heal allied structures with Uproot or give them health regen while standing near them.

just some ideas ...

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Quoting CosMoe,

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Phirochu, I just looked up your game history. Please try playing a Queen with Uproot or Compost or Shamblers just once, then report back here. Till then your remarks are completely valueless.

I did, quite a lot actually, before the stats reset.

I struggle to play her, really not my sort of play style, but I've seen some very good QoT builds, just very few seem to get how to use her properly.

As for not knowing where to put your points, that's the point in having a build. You know what you're going to do. Maybe do some research into effective QoT builds?

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Also a little bit off to tell someone ranked that far above you that they don't know what they're talking about...

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Phirochu: I don't care about the ranks here (who does?), I just saw that you seemed to have never played QoT (but mostly Sedna). Sorry if I was wrong.

FYI I'm 4th in the International ESL 1vs1 ladder and I'm the only QoT of about 30 active players. Also, I have yet to see a QoT in the 2vs2 or 3vs3 ladders. Go figure...

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This isn't the way to balance the QoT

she's quite capable in the right hands but not as easily understood as the other Demis

This is her at level 10 with only Nimroth and HoL Bramble protects for 1450 so that is 6760is effective health on all thorns skills alone, doesn't count if you are mulching and such instead, wherby he have unlimited health as long as you have mana..as 2250 additional health can be added every 7 seconds without any coolodwn reduction... so currently at level 10 you are looking at nearly 9000 effective health for her...

Stats for Queen of Thorns at Level 10

Health	3495 ( 5319.39 Modified Armored Health )
Mana	2016
Armor	1305 (34.3% Weapon Damage Mitigation)
Evasion	0%
Movement Speed	6
Rate of Fire	0.7671
Damage	205 - 227 (216)
Attack Time	1.30 (+13%)
Damage Per Second	166
Health Per Second	13.99
Mana Per Second	5.81

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She's a tank like sedna.. only when she heals herself she's nuking everything for 750 damage around her..

Between that and popping out when not under attack to spike, and wave... she's quite capable at all levels, especially if after your second hat (I recommend the more expensive +70% with 350 mana on hit hat over the plenor because people will by default be hitting you a lot...)

Remember mana and mulch + bramble + preists with a decent HP pool due to armor = a very hard to break and thorny tank...

Closed she has a default attack through to multiple targets which can be split again with the girdle of giants... and having a narmoth ring on attacks that hit multiple targets = YUM...

Level 10 is where you start itemizing towards the Auto attack absorbtion and dishing phase everyone else is prepping (in already)

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Lugh, if you think QoT is so awesome, please explain why I found only 1(!) game where you played her in your last 50 games.

Facts:

If you go mainly for health items, you won't have nearly enough mana for Shamblers, Shields and Mulch.
If you go mainly for mana items, you can Shield a lot, but your damage (against other Demigods) is so bad that already 2 damage dealers are more effective than 1 QoT + 1 damage dealer. I tested that a lot in premades vs. premades. This fact is also very evident on the ESL 2vs2 and 3vs3 ladders.
That's because QoT won't attack a lot between summoning Shamblers, Mulching and Shielding. Her attack rate in such battles will about the half of her normal attack rate.
When you play in open mode, you'll be dead in seconds against ANY experienced enemy team. Your mana regeneration will also be much too low.
If you buy the Vinling Helmet over the Plenor Battlecrown you'd lose 500 mana and additionally get 350mana every 30ish hit you take for an extra 1500 gold. These 1500 gold can be spent much much better, e.g. Unbreakable Boots.

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Frogboy, could you also please free the people of Tibet, go back in time and prevent the holocaust and if you have time can you please post your projection for the estimated time frame needed for total nuclear disarament as well as all the required legislation for each county to ensure that it is done with said time frame. These should have been done at release. That is all.

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I forgot frogboy wasn't reading the forums and talking to the people who can make these changes. My bad.

I am not asking him to be my bitch, he just seems to be the best man to say these ideas to. Jerks.

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