If I tell you to do something, do it.

QFT

I totaly hear where your coming from Guild but um .... have you played on the internet long? And im being serious because if you have then you know people don't listen ON PURPOSE just to be a jackass.

Regardless of how many of these are made kids will still think they are rambo and still run on in head on. And more than likely won't listen to you just because you are trying to boss em around so they will MORE than likely do the complete opposite of what your doing to piss you off.

Thats just my 2 cents. 

My definition of teamwork is to do what guild tells me to do, got it. thanks man!

I DO WAT ME WANTZ OKAY. ME NO LISTEN TO A$$HOLEZ ON INTERNETS.

Your paln is ok, but there are also people who have a plan to, os you may not expect that you are saying the right. Anyway, forget teamplay without voicechat. Get real friends, tell them to download skype & buy demigod ( That´s what i told them - they did it). Than you can play as a team. Otherwise forget it.

You realize that what you expect does simply not work.

People do not like to take orders, they like to go after their own selfish mind. You have to convince them it is in their own interest that they do follow you and unless you have a privileged position where you can afford to just boss people around without caring about how they might judge you, you also have to take care not to offend anyone in the process.

You can lead through force or respect. Having both might come handy against the odd asshat rebel who just refuses to take even the most sensible orders and having none will effectively end your leadership as people will not listen to you.

Plus:
In game chat is easy to miss if you are busy playing.. white text without a background in a game, where quite a few of the maps are kinda light colored? Come on.. i constantly have to keep pressing enter to see the current conversation in the game, as i keep missing the individual lines as they are sent.

Lame.  Team players will always be team players, assholes will always be assholes, and posts like this won't change anything.

Ah the prep talk from TGS.

I am TGS, the pro player. From now on you act as ordered, and chat will start and end with sir!, do you noobs understand?

Joking aside, typing is a bloody pain. And are you going to explain why your plan as well? Or is just to be taken as gospel on the spot?

I was in a 4v4 recently, and a player offered "plan x" - but didn't followup and say why "plan x" was the bee's knees. Personally, I am quite happen to try something, but another team member ignored it. After it was ignored, then the player bothered to explain the benefit of "plan x". Hey maybe it would have worked, it was an interesting idea.

Yeah, I know the benefit of flag locking, and so far I have rarely seen it utilised early on. And is the OP talking long term plan or my immediate order to you drones?

Both, I should hope! Somebody has to lead the show.

Far from pro. Very, very far from pro. I don't even want to be associated with that term. However, the rest is quite nice.

Pretty much every game, at the very beginning, while I shop for equipment. Basicly, cap the flags, don't let them take'em, save for cats/giants. Flags take precedence, use locks when you can afford them. The rest is just coordination.

Both.

Also, I have no problem if you don't like my plan. But if you don't, you sure as hell better come up with something else, and start taking the lead. Otherwise, you'd better be happy doing as I say.

The true roll of a leader.

Nobody likes to be bossed around by somebody they do not know. Even I would feel awkward if someone started giving me orders without some explanation. If someone comes with a plan and asks for some input then its a different story...

Teamplay has nothing to do with taking orders, if you have a good team you don't need to give or take orders.

This.

I remember one thing that happened last game... I was killing a Tower Rook as UB, and I was pushing him back into the natural towers. So I told my ally "Fireball now!"

But he didn't want to get hit by the towers. So after potting, charging in, getting sniped, Wrath of God'd, Boulder Roll'd, and hit by towers and STILL barely standing, with rook at 300 HP left (800 when I asked for the fireball) he refused to fireball because he didn't want to step in the towers range for a couple seconds. And he had been begging me to help him kill the Rook.

Follow orders, please. Especially if I'm smart enough to follow yours and help you out with a double team, ACTUALLY double team. Don't just keep shooting a tower, don't not use a high range skill because you don't want to take 500 damage from the tower, actually help!

As a note, I would not have died in that encounter if I had had TB support (he never attacked the Rook, so Rook had about 1.5k more health than he would have.), so it isn't really my fault; while I did overextend by attacking at the towers, I had a ton of HP and figured with 2v1, I could finish it quickly. Except he refused to make it a 2v1.

Unless you also happen to be telepathic, that is entirely wrong. You have to realize that nobody will know your situation unless you tell them about it, and you aren't going to magically know "Sedna's low on mana, I need to stun to cover her retreat" or "buy priests-catas now, I can afford giants."

The one question I always ask someone who doesn't like my orders is if they want to lead. Every time someone argues with me, I ask them (and everyone else on the team) that. I've never once gotten a proper reply to that question.

And really, I'd like it if someone else would do the talking every once in a while. Sometimes it can be hard to move around while evaluating the map and typing out your next tactic.

One time I went crazy because of this in a match... I had just killed one of my foes Rooks (as UB), but I was low on HP. I wanted to creep for a wave (the wave had just arrived), so I started talking tactics while I AA'd.

Then I was zoomed out, saw an UB (the other team also had an UB) swinging near where I was and saw signs I was taking damage. I teleported away.... and found ot that I had just gone nuts, and that was me attacking. >_>

This is totally off topic and useless. Leadership makes you snap?

No. Blind defiance makes me snap. Leadership makes me happy.

I'd add some caveats -

1.  make sure the people on your team don't know how to play before you start telling them what to do. 

2.  In terms of overall strategy you can get things done by asking questions most of the time -

"who is getting the gold upgrade?" 

"I have 7k gold, should I get upgrades or more gear?"

"Shall we get giants now?"

If you don't get any answer to a polite question then you won't get a better response from "lock that flag. Now! ZOMG!!"

3.  Most of the best teams I've played with the convo rarely gets beyond "ooM" and "b" even against highly skilled opp

So true Ke5trel.  So many so called "great players" are terrible leaders.  Leadership is about polite communication, not arrogant "ordering".  I've seen people on my team tell new players "Cap that %&*$ flag, farm those minions you $%^&, Push here, Lock that flag!  Of course, being new, they have NO idea what Cap,Farm, Flag lock, Push, ect even means.  So then the ever so bright "orderer" gets all upset because his teammates (who have NO idea what he just said in chat using Demigod-speak with some pig-latin mixed in) are not obeying him.

You can be a great player, but also a rude, obnoxious, noob of leader at the same time.

.. I'm currently alt-tabbed form a game because my team wouldn't listen. How hard is it to listen to 'Don't 3v1 them you will die.' SMITER.

sigh.... fucking retards.

How about when you are playing destroy citidal and you have it set up perfect to take it out and you are by yourself and your teammate refuses to teleport to help you out. So what happens? The other players finally make it over with Rook and take me out and he's jsut chilling trying to capture flags for no reason.

I'm far from perfect, hwoever I understand when a win is almost there and go for it and have enough common sense to see if the goal is almost reached to do everything in my power to make it happen.

What I've found out playing this for the past several weeks online, people are down right dumb. You either play to win or don't play.

At the end of the day, it still comes down to this:

There are a few types of players

1) The noob - you can try to order them around, but as someone stated, they are still struggling with just the control of their demigod. Chances are, they will not even realize the chat - as i mentioned earlier, its quite easy to miss, esp. on some maps - and even if they do, unless you deliberately talk in a way thats free of TLAs and demigod terminology, then they might just not understand what you want. Not to mention, that quite a few of the 'leader' players are arrogant bastards and once the noob starts to hate the leader - and they hate arrogance, even if you are right - they will just refuse to listen. (Guess why a single polite word - please? - can work wonders compared to a wall of arrogant ranting)

2) The ignorant - these people are simply not team players. You can shout all you want, they will at most get pissed off at you and quit, or make you mad enough by their ignorance so you quit. Bossing them around is out of question.

3) The inexperienced team player - these are the kind who go help you when you do not need it, buy upgrades at the wrong time and generally try to be a good teammate, but they still have a few things to learn. Having a quick polite chat with them might help make them a better team player and giving a brief description of what tactics you think your team should follow might actually make them work rather well as a part of the team. OFC you can also just order them around and they will likely follow, as these type of players usually welcome authority and stick to the leader if there is some. Then again, attitude is very important with them as well. Generally speaking, arrogance never pays off on the long run. Always treat others, as you would like to have them treat you - that is.. with respect.

4) The experienced team player - If you are lucky enough to play with these, you rarely need to chat, as they will do the job of their demigod well and will also watch the overall game and go where they are needed. Most of the time communication is about - as someone already mentioned - leaving their post to go back to the citadel or crystal. Also pinging important locations works wonders with these kind of players, as it can draw their attention to important, low hp demigods, even though most of the time they will be observant enough to notice such battles without you pointing them out. Leadership in these type of teams is rarely needed, as there is usually an unspoken consensus on what to do. A few lines of tactical chatter usually come towards the end, or if the team is losing on how to turn it back, but even then its quick and rarely debated too much. (for example: i go caplock their corner flag while you hold the middle. upgrade to giants if you have the money)

Quite frankly, chat is not really enough for much more than what you have with player type 4. That is why voice comm - as usual - is such a huge advantage.