Light VS Dark

Fireball is  1sec cast.

everytyhing else hyperbole.

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Dark has spit and bite!!! HAH!

Maybe you haven't looked but regulus has less armor (giving him less effective HP) than Torch Bearer. On top of that torch bearer has a massive nuke, a massive aoe nuke, and two stuns/interupts...

Darkside has the only character that has a ability that gives percent speed and damage Unclean beast, in addition he reduces enemy attackspeed by a percent. light side does not - Darkside Wins

Darkside can bramble shield multiple people BEFORE they take damage where as lightside needs to wait for them to get hurt before heal is useful - Darkside wins

At base movement speed, Erb and Unclean beast are the fastest - Darkside Wins

Lord Erb has batswarm allowing him to move across gaps on maps such as Crucible and also lets him pretty much rape any ranged Hero - and the only teleport ability goes to... - Darkside Wins

You can skew the situation all you want, but Demigod is amazingly balanced for such a new game.

well im not gonna say that what the op said is correct, but i will say there seems to be some kind of imbalance when it comes to dark vs light. i only say this because dark only has won 1 pantheon since release, now it was usually pretty close every time but since the erebus nerf its hasnt been. and im afraid to think what would happen if all the nerf ub threads got their way as well. erebus went from a 4th ranked dg to jus above the support dg's personally i dont think the nerf was needed just ppl needed more time to learn how to deal with it and know when to run. the mentality that this game is a 1v1 game is what got erebus nerfed, ittbe like nerfing sednas pounce, bite is erebus only real dmg move bat swarm is way to costly to use as a dmging move consistently. anyway im going on a rant here thanks for reading.

tl:dr, based on pantheon stats (more facts that what whiners and theorycrafters have) there seems to be some kind of imbalance between light and dark.

3 ranged heroes in the game.  Guess how many are on light!

@LionHeart: Honestly, Pantheon stats are so messed up right now-- most people will shrug them off as being totally irrelevent.

you are obviously just not able to use tb's potential.

torch bearer can fireball -> fire nova -> rain of ice -> fireball -> firenova -> rain of ice -> and so on... -> when enemy flees, he's ->passively<- slowing him and autoattacking the slowed with insanely increased damage!

he has so many abilites! wait for cooldown? what's that?

+50% mana regen ->for free<- , you don't even need a skill point! lack of mana? what's that?   dark side wins

@erebus nerf: only noobs cry about it. it was perfectly done and is balanced now. he's just not the insane killing machine he was before, that really was crazy.. there are still good erebus players around who don't seem to mind the nerf cause they rule nonetheless.

Someone is discussing balance!  Here comes the graphs!  Make sure you check em before you make your assertions on who has what, you may be surprised.

Armor

max health

health regen.

TB is pretty obviously the glass canon of the bunch in terms of max health armor and health regen, but it's worth noting that his armor DOES catch up a bit at the upper levels due to his higher gain per level.

Rook, actually starts off with the SECOND lowest armor, beating our much maligned erebus by a small margin for the first 2 levels, but rapidly falls behind the pack

Note that these are only base level stats, and some demigods have the ability to increase their stats well above what's listed through spending their XP wisely

it is also worth noting that TB has BY FAR the most mana and mana per level and BY FAR the most mana regen and mana regen per level!

he obviously wasn't meant to just run into enemy DGs and expect not to die but rather spam spells from out of their range.

TheTrav those graphs are only a small portion of a the demigod's stats and they show a warped impression of a demigod. They help to point out what items a demigod should get to cover there weakness but without looking at the whole picture it isn't fair to the demigods at the bottom of those graphs.

i once found this somewhere here in the forum. should cover everything.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pmbS09ByNPGE-hT1mq5_XBQ

The fact that people have complained about both the light and dark sides being OP just provides more evidence that the game is in fact mostly balanced imo.

maybe but the point still stands that the info shown by pantheon is more reliable than the minimal experiance that players have, i will trust data that might be skewed (doesnt matter cause the data is skewed equally for all dg's saying its skewed for 1 dg over another is ignorant) over the experiance players  have had especially since the game hasnt been out very long. i see ppl loseing a game against a better opponent then comming on here an crying for nerfs. and another thing that i think that imbalances pantheon is having fortress matches, IMO clearly light side has the advantage with fortress matches due to building eating rooks,uber range regs and suicide oaks. whereas the best we have is QoT who gimps herself to do good building dmg, and spit. now im not saying its impossible for darkside to win a fortress match just that its alot easier for light to win.

i agree to that point except for the suicide oak. i don't think that would be worth it unless it'd end the game victoriously, that is.

but for spit i actually think it is very good against buildings, actually far too good in my oppinion...I'd rather like it not work at all against buildings... but what about tb? freeze + circle of fire works well

but ffs who cares about pantheon anyway?

trust me suicide oak ruins fortress matches, nothing worse than having a close fortress match get down to 1 fortress each just to have the oak player suicide to finish the last one while you are trying to kill towers jus to be able to hit theirs.

Demigod is balanced for conquest and conquest only.  The other modes are pretty much jokes.  I don't know why they show up in Pantheon and Skirmish....

Why you guys bashing TB? I actually like him, but I prefer frost build over fire.

Hes got good range, and can harass loads, and butcher towers, and with slow aura he can usually never be caught unless he gets no speed items. 

Yeah, been there, done that.  We were getting creamed and I was Oak.  Didn't see much to lose, so I added the Last Stand ability at first opportunity to do suicide runs.  Guess what - once the other team saw that they had two players hunt me down and kill me before I even got close.  Since they buffed up for the occasion, I couldn't even whap them back, so I spent my time taking giants out - better that then nothing.

Oak does have Shield, but only for 1 person - and Oak get's Life Steal for everyone in range.   It is not which is better, but how they play together.   Rook places towers and Oak puts Death Wards next to them, the spirits that are summoned track fleeing demigods for Regulus to take out --- simple.

However, I've seen Lord Erebus and the Torch Bearer also working as a team - and when that happens - you just ain't got no hope (at least an Oak and just about anybody else).  The Torch Bearer can do Circle of Flame around flags, particularly in the early game and level quite easily.

A for pantheon stats right now, they are a little weird, between tons of noobs and connection issues, I would not trust them too much. Personally I have played many many pantheon matches and I know when a person knows what they are doing, strategy and skill are MUCH more important than minor differences in character balance.